kids these days

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article here

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/07/09/48197.htm


I say pay ya dues kid...

could've at least shouted out the creator of that classic beat

I due admit 10 mill is steep. But Mac Miller is almost as bad as Vanilla Ice

Yeah... I was reading about this earlier...

Never messed with Mac Miller... and have no desires...



Let's see how this turns out...

Mac Miller is pretty wack (that's beside the point), but Finesse suing for $10 million is ridiculous. Especially for a track off a free mixtape that didn't directly make Miller any dough.

Funny when folks say kids are wrong for not respecting the cultures history, then saying they're wrong for paying respects.

This is better than Schoolboy Q or Kendrick Lamar. Any day.

parker lewis wrote:

This is better than Schoolboy Q or Kendrick Lamar. Any day.

Maybe in BIZARRO world

parker lewis wrote:

Funny when folks say kids are wrong for not respecting the cultures history, then saying they're wrong for paying respects.

Just because he's using a Finesse beat doesn't mean he's paying respects.


But I agree that the $10 million is ridiculous and it sounds like Finesse is low on cash.

Eh, Mac Miller isn't wack but he's not special either. He is in NO WAY better than Kendrick but probably on par with Schoolboy Q. I like Habits and Contradictions but overall he isn't all that either. And Finesse can GTFOH with that bullshit.

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parker lewis wrote:

Funny when folks say kids are wrong for not respecting the cultures history, then saying they're wrong for paying respects.

Just because he's using a Finesse beat doesn't mean he's paying respects.


But I agree that the $10 million is ridiculous and it sounds like Finesse is low on cash.

I suppose he could be trying to let everyone know how much he hates this beat by rhyming over it. I hadn't thought of it like that.

I been thinking about it a lil bit but these people who do this with their mixtapes have got to be breaking copyright laws somewhere surely. Probably most creators of the music in hip hop just let these things slide, however, legally I don't see how it matters if they are giving the music out for free, because that music does not belong to them in the first place so they have no right to publish it, especially on a grand scale using the internet.

Parker, I don't know if your comment is somehow directed at me, but I did not notice him in that clip paying respect to anybody, especially Lord Finesse.

Does anyone really think the fans of this guy even know where that track came from, I highly doubt it. By now, with the internet and all, he's probably made more money off of it than what LF was able to back in 95!

Suing him for a self-determined amount is retarded. And, it's not very hip-hop. I'm sure LF would've appreciated a copyright break here & there when he was starting out, if he didn't.

I could understand sending your lawyer out to look into what sort of profit was generated, then feeling entitled to a cut.

And, how many of MMs fans are now familiar with a dope ass classic Finesse beat they probably never would've heard before? Even if nobody knows who made it, it's out of the dusty shoebox and into the headphones. How could that be bad for hip-hop?

Again, how is using a beat anything but a compliment to the producer?

parker lewis wrote:

Suing him for a self-determined amount is retarded. And, it's not very hip-hop. I'm sure LF would've appreciated a copyright break here & there when he was starting out, if he didn't.

I could understand sending your lawyer out to look into what sort of profit was generated, then feeling entitled to a cut.

And, how many of MMs fans are now familiar with a dope ass classic Finesse beat they probably never would've heard before? Even if nobody knows who made it, it's out of the dusty shoebox and into the headphones. How could that be bad for hip-hop?

10mil is a lot, and good luck to him trying to get that out of them, I doubt he will get that much but who knows where it'll end up. As far as the article is concerned he is engaged with lawyers so you won't know the amount is self determined? It should also be noted, apparently he got warned not to continue using this track and chose to ignore, getting himself 20million online views. IMO If the artist of a song requests you to take something down because they created it and don't want you using it in such a manner, then do it.

How many of MM's fans think that beat is something MM created?

I understand your point of view and where you're coming from, the hip hop culture and all that, but it won't stand against much when it gets down to people suing for copyright breaches or entitlements.

Well, 10 mil out of the gate is intimidation seeking settlement. That much is obvious. Apparently I was speaking out of turn a bit, because I had no idea those other details.

I still say dude should let him use it. Maybe he doesn't remember Marley Marl being dragged through the courts by Steve Miller?

No doubt, if you went through Lf's music or anyone from the times he's come from there's prob a lot of stuff he coulda got sued for using I'm sure there's no clean slate for him, but, the game has changed a lot too. And taking an artist entire track for your own self promo even after being told not to, well....

I HATE Mac Miller, but this is stupid. Rappers rap over other people's beats all the time, put it on their FREE mixtape and sometimes even make a music video to it. Freddie Gibbs "From the G" comes to mind...using the Bury Me A G beat. From what I've read Finesse knew about this song for a long time and is just now deciding the sue...he sounds desperate to me...

You can bet your sweet ass, he's desperate. But imagine a young Finesse or Daimond D being sued by an over-the-hill jazz or funk musician. Its history repeating itself. Its kinda like when Hammer used Rick Jame's SuperFreak. At first Rick James didn't care if he sampled it, gave him permission, but when YOU CANT TOUCH THIS got big Rick James wanted a buttload of money

parker lewis wrote:

Suing him for a self-determined amount is retarded. And, it's not very hip-hop. I'm sure LF would've appreciated a copyright break here & there when he was starting out, if he didn't.

I could understand sending your lawyer out to look into what sort of profit was generated, then feeling entitled to a cut.

And, how many of MMs fans are now familiar with a dope ass classic Finesse beat they probably never would've heard before? Even if nobody knows who made it, it's out of the dusty shoebox and into the headphones. How could that be bad for hip-hop?

I think your argument about the beat getting new listeners is good. I agree, it's not a bad thing for people to hear a dope beat like that.

But to my point about using a beat not equating to paying respects, it could simply be that Mac heard the beat, thought it was dope, and decided to rap over it. That doesn't necessarily mean he has any respect for Lord Finesse or has even listened to anything by Lord Finesse outside of Hip 2 Da Game. And it's not like Mac Miller's fans are going to do research and go back and check out anything by Finesse. Furthermore, the use of the beat could be a superficial attempt to "keep it real" or act like he respects the history of hip hop. If I'm to judge Mac Miller from the few tracks I've heard from him, he's just using hip hop as a vehicle to make party music and bring in the dough. It's not like he's trying to step up his lyrical game or do something new with hip hop.

As far as the lawsuit is concerned, I understand the concept behind it but I don't think Finesse will win it, or if he does get anything the amount would be dramatically less than $10 mil. Furthermore, if Finesse won the suit that would really discourage all these young rappers coming out and showcasing their skills (or lack thereof) over classic beats. But there's also a potential positive side to that discouragement, which would be to motivate new rappers and beatmakers to be more creative and bring something original to the table instead of just dropping mixtapes using old beats... which in today's hip hop climate is arguably just as profitable as dropping official LPs.

If he heard the beat and thought it was dope and wanted to rhyme on it... that IS respect.

parker lewis wrote:

If he heard the beat and thought it was dope and wanted to rhyme on it... that IS respect.

I disagree. You can like something without necessarily having respect for it. Mac could have just saw it as a beat he thought he would sound good on, without any regard for who made it or their music and their place in hip hop.

I like Coke, but that doesn't mean I respect the company that made it.

I think you have a preconceived negative imagining of this kid and your projecting your opinion of him into what assume to be his motives.

I'm not sure why. Everything I've heard or read about him suggests he's a true fan of the music.

parker lewis wrote:

I think you have a preconceived negative imagining of this kid and your projecting your opinion of him into what assume to be his motives.

I'm not sure why. Everything I've heard or read about him suggests he's a true fan of the music.

That is pretty much what I'm doing haha. I haven't read much about him or his life story, or what he's doing with his hip hop career.

If he's a big fan of hip hop as you suggest, then my bad. I'm just going off of what I've heard from the guy. Gotta mix it up with that cynical viewpoint