Ex LAPD officer goes HAM

I don't know if any of you guys have been following this whole thing. Apparently the LAPD has really shot themeselves in the foot:

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Chris Dorner's Uncensored Manifesto: (why he did it)

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He's gathering support from various people. He even has a facebook fan page.

Any thoughts on the issue?

I find the article lacks truth regarding some events. The Mentally ill homeless man's father was able to cite the fact that the female officer kicked his son, even though the article says that no one could back that up. And the fact that the manifesto mentions gun control... I don't know about that. O_0 Those same guns he wants to control are the ones that allowed him to defend himself. On the same token, they also allowed the cops to shoot up the truck that had 2 women delivering newspapers.

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I have been very loosely following this. Guess I need to pay more attention. I am reading his statements now and just from the small amount I read this just seems like what can happen when you push people of pride injustly and continuously. More to come....

Thanks for posting.

He is really letting it all out. Its a trip reading this while its currently still happening. He ssem to have planned this out to almost perfection. He has covered a lot of bases. That’s how you know he is not insane or crazy because this is well planned and calculated. He is bitter, angry, and vengeful but not necessarily crazy.

I think the whole thing is crazy, and I don't think the dude is crazy. His reasoning is on point, and he sounds very logical and thought out. He knows they will kill him, so he might as well go out with a bang. I am nervous for him and the whole country. He is currently being hunted by drones at the moment. I think this will get the public used to the idea of having drones around. However, I am not surprised at this country using drones on their own. It's the American way. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually add a gun to the drone sooner or later, but I am surprised that not many people in here have anything to say on this subject. What's going on over here?

He's my hero. Rambo is among us. And he's Black.

Imagine the movie they're going to make about this dude.

LOL At Trotter.

I find it interesting that Dorner said that he'll stop killing when they tell the truth about what went on. Unfortunately it looks like the LAPD wants him dead above anything else. All they have to do is come clean, but they rather kill and hurt innocent people first, and "investigate" their own cases.

This link includes a thread on Reddit which was started by an LAPD cop in an attempt to explain why they shot up a second pick up truck in Torrence CA that the wrong person in it. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

To tell you the truth I'm actually glad this is going on. I also wonder how many people will continue to justify the LAPD's actions. It kills me how people really think they will actually get that million if they can turn him. I mean, really, people want to trust the cops to give them something, after they clearly illustrate how they could give a good got damn about anybody outside of the force?! GTFOHWTBS.

This so called "brother" is CRAZY as hell


he is no different than Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, Jovan Belcher, The Columbine High shooters (Eric and Dylan), etc..etc

all of whom lacked self-esteem and choose blowing people away as a means to get out whatever anger, aggression, frustration, they had with living and life itself...that type of shit NEVER works no matter what point you think you're making...you're only remembered for the lives you took and what you did...

Chris Dorner has now built himself this phony ass platform to get his life views out there and now probably thinks of himself as some type of celebrity or something because in that manifesto this dude is shouting out other REAL celebs and congratulating them on their works like he's some type of paid critic or something.....

For the record FUCK THE LAPD, NYPD, and any other PD, but let's be honest is what this "brother" doing right now going to make any wholesale changes in any PD's?? that is my question will his so called exposure of a PD that everyone already knew was SHIT going to help make any changes in it?


It won't especially with this type of approach....this type of approach just makes white folks even more afraid of the black man if that's even possible, but he is most certainly not helping with anything...we live in a racist world people....it's the reality of the situation and I honestly believe it's never going to change....the best way to succeed in it is too just succeed...plain and simple...make it happen against the odds....provide for you and your family the best way you can.....make the tough decisions.....help out others along the way....

but this Chris Dorner approach is BULLSHIT, and does nothing to help out anything, he is just setting more bad examples that shooting shit up because you're pissed off is the 2013 way of handling your business which is WRONG man on so many levels......

Innocent people often get caught up in war. Whether they were the indirect target to hurt the main target or just by-standers. I do not support mindless or injust violence but I understand where this man is coming from. There is a cosmic law that we all are abided too that if you throw dirt you will eventually get dirt thrown back on you. The LAPD is known for crooked ish and murdering and hurting innocent people. How long can we act like that is accepted? If he truly carries out his agenda he will get more attention than any march or protest has ever done. This country respects power and violence. You are not a factor until you its one or the other.

To me he is differnt from those killers you mentioned because he seems to have a just motive to bring down or expose a corrupt system. He has specific targets to my knowledge not just any random people.

D.Powell youre silly for saying Chris is as worse as Adam. Theres been so many ex-cop whistle-blowers. Some even wrote books. That means nothing. Chris just took matter in his own hands. Yes, innocent people got shot, a necessary evil. Cops kill innocents all the time...and get away with it. And the fact LAPD are shooting at innocents themselves to catch this guy can make you say the whole force is filled with Adam Lanzas

Nat Turner and Geronimo Pratt killed innocent people to get their point across.

Dang! Trotter wrote:

D.Powell youre silly for saying Chris is as worse as Adam. Theres been so many ex-cop whistle-blowers. Some even wrote books. That means nothing. Chris just took matter in his own hands. Yes, innocent people got shot, a necessary evil. Cops kill innocents all the time...and get away with it. And the fact LAPD are shooting at innocents themselves to catch this guy can make you say the whole force is filled with Adam Lanzas

Nat Turner and Geronimo Pratt killed innocent people to get their point across.

Why am I silly my dude? so you think this approach is going to make changes in the system??

Really?? so you're willing to kill innocents to get your point across as well??

Adam Lanza shot innocent people....Chris Dorner shot innocent people.....Jared Loughner shot innocent people...the LAPD and NYPD shoot innocent people, 9/11 killed innocent people....none of that bullshit is right IMO...it's all wrong and a reason why our society as a whole is fucked up right now....because heads like you think to get that point across let's shoot heads who have no agenda or regard for our particular stance...

Kev, Chris Dorner has targeted some innocent heads on his list man...that motherfucker is NUTS...straight up! no one will remember what his supposed agenda is they will only remember what he did...that bullshit doesn't help anything out man.....are you and Trotter serious???

I agree with Old Ass Powell here, the dude is killing innocent ppl and there are fools out there that are glad this happen and are supporting him? wtf....Whatever good he tried to do got thrown out by killing innocent folks.

I would love to see someone explain to the innocent bystanders why their being shot is for some greater good.

He's going to go down as a madman and people in the end don't listen to crazy people. How many people remember these other folks manifestos? When you start killing people whatever point you were trying to make has been loss because no one is listening.

They're not going to acquiesce to his demands for fear it will encourage other assholes with an "agenda."

He may be remembered just not by the mainstream audience. If he plays this out right he will bring down the needed attention to the LAPD and other police forces corruption and murder. Just like gun control is the BIG issue right now because of so many random killings this has the chance to be the true spark to people really demanding a change in police and public relations.

America and other countries kill innocent people for the greater cause quite often. Most great nations are built of the murder of many people. But since he is one guy its easy to point the "crazy" finger. But when its your government its politics and war.

Systems never really change without violence or when people with power want it to change. Sure they make small changes or make you think they stopped doing something by changing the look or name of it but not often in this world or in history will you find true major change happening without violence are until people in power make a change. Like I said I do not support the murder of innocent people but I do support making a stand against injustice. Begging, marching and protesting is bullshit and the powers that be know it.

Many geniuses and highly intelligent people are in fact crazy. And sorry but to think of someone as a hero for cold blooded murder is rediculous. maybe he is mentally ill for doing that or having a moment of madness.

There are many problems with the systems we live in but this isn't going to solve it.

The BIGGER picture. Stop always pointing fingers at the effect and ignoring the cause.

Well at least he went out in a BLAZE OF GLORY...quite literally too..lol

now that he is gone let's see if some of his manifesto that he spoke about while he was still here is carried out against the corrupt LAPD......

there is no denying that organization and many others just like it is corrupt....but as I stated earlier Chris Dorner's approach on trying to solve the problems of a corrupt PD is going to fail miserably and just shed more bad light on black men...something that we just don't need more of anymore....

I guess the million dollar question is how do you stop or reduce police corruption and misconduct? How would you handle the problem? What is a realistic solution that could work?

TheHazardous wrote:

I guess the million dollar question is how do you stop or reduce police corruption and misconduct? How would you handle the problem? What is a realistic solution that could work?

There are multiple possible solutions to those questions. Some are practical some are "unrealistic" or revolutionary. Here are two quick solutions that we would see some change:

1. Hold officers accountable by having zero tolerance for misconduct. Once its 100% investigated preferably from an outside source and not anyone within that dept. Police should be giving charges, demoted, and/or fired on the spot. Just like some companies have outside sources that audit them maybe that could happen with the police force. Police want their jobs and feed their family with this money. You want to get people to shape up cut off their lively hood. People that are suspect of misconduct create a job for people that can tag along with said officer for 6 months to a year and reports everything directly to an outside source. Who wants someone watching their every move? Its a viable deterrent.

2. The public start holding police officers more accountable. Even if this means blodshed. If you mistakely take one of ours we mistakely take you out. Cops want to go home also and once they feel the people are willing to commit murders when they are wronged things will change. Goes back to the saying the people should not fear the governemnt the government should fear the people.

Before anyone tears this down im not saying the above is perfect. But I think we can all agree the curent system is to unchecked.

Also what if the police terrorized the white communtiy like it does the brown and black ones? Just think about that. Imagine Amercias sweethearts being beat down, harrassed, and shot on a frequent basis. Imagine white kids getting thrown in the system for serious time over first time offenses in mass amounts. I bet shit would change then. But like the sista said in her The New Crow book its easy to pick the low hanging fruit. The same crimes that goes on in these hoods goes on in white neighrhoods drug and misconduct wise.

But see white people would not put up with this shit. I put money on it that blood would be shed before it got out of hand like it has with people of color. Just saying....most of our perspectives are very clouded.

Chris Dorner still not dead...yet. Apparently that charred body at the cabin wasn't a body at all.
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The first thing I thought when they said they found a body was, why would he allow himself to die assuming he stayed in the building. He wanted to stay alive. And if he did commit suicide, why would insure that the LAPD's secrets die with him? That doesn't sound like something he would want to do. I know the LAPD really wants him dead so they can go about their regular business

[quote="Tic706"]Also what if the police terrorized the white communtiy like it does the brown and black ones? Just think about that. Imagine Amercias sweethearts being beat down, harrassed, and shot on a frequent basis. Imagine white kids getting thrown in the system for serious time over first time offenses in mass amounts. I bet shit would change then. But like the sista said in her The New Crow book its easy to pick the low hanging fruit. The same crimes that goes on in these hoods goes on in white neighrhoods drug and misconduct wise.

But see white people would not put up with this shit. I put money on it that blood would be shed before it got out of hand like it has with people of color. Just saying....most of our perspectives are very clouded.[/quote]

1st bolded comment: They would call it Martial Law, and they would lose their minds.
2nd bolded comment: Exactly. This is exactly why people are crying about being searched at the airport, having to deal with checkpoints, and constantly 'losing their freedoms that they worked so hard for'. In reality, they are getting the Black experience in the US, and they can't handle it. By the way, that video you posted was so on point, it's ridiculous. Thanks you for posting that.

Tic706 wrote:

TheHazardous wrote:

I guess the million dollar question is how do you stop or reduce police corruption and misconduct? How would you handle the problem? What is a realistic solution that could work?

There are multiple possible solutions to those questions. Some are practical some are "unrealistic" or revolutionary. Here are two quick solutions that we would see some change:

1. Hold officers accountable by having zero tolerance for misconduct. Once its 100% investigated preferably from an outside source and not anyone within that dept. Police should be giving charges, demoted, and/or fired on the spot. Just like some companies have outside sources that audit them maybe that could happen with the police force. Police want their jobs and feed their family with this money. You want to get people to shape up cut off their lively hood. People that are suspect of misconduct create a job for people that can tag along with said officer for 6 months to a year and reports everything directly to an outside source. Who wants someone watching their every move? Its a viable deterrent.

2. The public start holding police officers more accountable. Even if this means blodshed. If you mistakely take one of ours we mistakely take you out. Cops want to go home also and once they feel the people are willing to commit murders when they are wronged things will change. Goes back to the saying the people should not fear the governemnt the government should fear the people.

Before anyone tears this down im not saying the above is perfect. But I think we can all agree the curent system is to unchecked.

I agree with this. There definitely needs to be audits done by an outside, non affiliated company. The thing that's killing me about the LAPD and police in general is that they think if they tell people that they are going to open up an internal case of corruption, and investigate it, people will say , Well they are investigating the matter and will fix it, and feel relieved about it. I ask them in my Dick Gregory voice " WHAT KIND OF FOOL IS YOU?!" I also agree with the second step you listed. People will think twice if they know they (or someone in their family)could get capped just as easily as they capped the kid for not paying the $2.00 train fare. It's time they act like they have some sense. C'mon..they killed a kid for two. fucking. dollars?! They basically said that his life is not even worth that amount of cash. That's blatant disrespect, and sends a big FUCK YOU to his family and friends.

Tic706 wrote:

TheHazardous wrote:

I guess the million dollar question is how do you stop or reduce police corruption and misconduct? How would you handle the problem? What is a realistic solution that could work?

There are multiple possible solutions to those questions. Some are practical some are "unrealistic" or revolutionary. Here are two quick solutions that we would see some change:

1. Hold officers accountable by having zero tolerance for misconduct. Once its 100% investigated preferably from an outside source and not anyone within that dept. Police should be giving charges, demoted, and/or fired on the spot. Just like some companies have outside sources that audit them maybe that could happen with the police force. Police want their jobs and feed their family with this money. You want to get people to shape up cut off their lively hood. People that are suspect of misconduct create a job for people that can tag along with said officer for 6 months to a year and reports everything directly to an outside source. Who wants someone watching their every move? Its a viable deterrent.

2. The public start holding police officers more accountable. Even if this means blodshed. If you mistakely take one of ours we mistakely take you out. Cops want to go home also and once they feel the people are willing to commit murders when they are wronged things will change. Goes back to the saying the people should not fear the governemnt the government should fear the people.

Before anyone tears this down im not saying the above is perfect. But I think we can all agree the curent system is to unchecked.

I agree with everything you said in the first statement Kev.....there needs to be more accountability with these "cops"...and maybe an outside source is the perfect way to go about it.....I guess the problem there is just trying to find some organization that could be completely unbiased towards either side and to add on to that we would need another organization on top of that one to hold them accountable as well towards making fair and unbiased decisions....I hope this type of "solution" could be looked at and possibly implemented because somebody needs to police the police....there is no doubt about that...


the second statement just sounds stupid to me....going to "war" with the pigs through shot for shot would never work and just create more bloodshed in the black and hispanic communities.....they are going to keep that "war" in our neighborhoods and communities...that shit wouldn't escape to the suburbs because they wouldn't allow it....it would be concentrated right in the South Bronx, Compton, the 5th Ward, Bed Stuy..etc.etc....which would mean more of our own innocents gunned down right before our eyes....Dorner if he wanted to have a chance to stay alive should have brought his ass to the hood not Big Bear,Calif....there he had no chance as has been shown....they protect suburbia with an Iron Fist and always have because that's where they live...even when you try to bring the fight to their neighborhoods you don't have a chance (i.e. Trayvon Martin, Yusef Hawkins, The Howard Beach killings (Michael Griffith), Police Officer Gary Spath shooting in Teaneck,NJ-google up some of these events) I could give you many more examples where it's just not safe for us in suburbia man....they will protect their own land and they are willing to fight as long as it stays in our neighborhoods...which is why they just burned down the cabin Dorner was in rather than risk a straight up gun fight again and again.....if it were in Compton they would have brought in the tanks, riot gear, and hollow point bullets.....


what Dorner did is not going to be effective towards true change but that first idea you had does sound like a start Kev!

D. Powell, I really want to believe that it would have been possible for him to survive in the hood, but I don't think it would happen. After all 1 million could definitely pay some bills and get somebody out of the hood (at least for a while in Ca). Part of me says it would be possible that he would have gotten ratted out faster. I would think he avoided the area because the police are more visible there. I would guess he ran through the mountains most likely because the people who live up there don't have to deal with police often.

Shit every 6'foot 200 plus pound balding black man in LA is looked at with suspicion now. I hope no gun toting red neck shoots the wrong guy

Well Kev I think your first idea might be worth considering but I definitely disagree with the second. I think DP illustrated why that would be a problem.

The other aspect of it is two wrongs don't make a right. And killing someone in Blue at random is fucked up too. You could just as likely hit a righteous officer.

If you go that route they'd siege the area to control it or pull out and then people would in those areas would receive no service. If the cops don't go down there than I doubt the ambulances or firefighters would either.

An option I think people should consider is refusing to be a part of the system as much as possible. They fear our refusal to participate more than anything else. When Black folks were disallowed proper seating on buses the Black folks refused to patronize them. They come up with bullshit laws about carpooling that were deemed illegal and the busing system suffered until they changed. Folks complain about liquor stores but continue to patronize them it's silly. People need to organize for change. This is why the establishment hated groups like the Black Panthers. They were helping neighborhoods to become independent of outside influences. If you have localized authority you can trust you can keep kids out of the system for lapses in judgment. You won't need to call the police if you can handle a matter internally. A lot of poor areas have the funds to sustain themselves but they buy from outsiders who spend that money in the areas they live in.

As far as dude who got for $2 fare it's sad and messed up. But I remember my parents told me no matter what you do if you've done wrong realize because you're Black they're going to hold your feet to the fire so don't give them the satisfaction. Act like you know. If they'll do Diallo they'll do you too. Make it as hard as possible for them to cast aspersions on your name.

It's easier to argue let me go because I haven't done anything wrong versus give me a lesser charge because I haven't done anything that bad. One wants to go free and the other simply wants a plea.

If you want to know more about why LA has its corruption problem watch the documentary Bastards of the Party it'll give you deeper insight on the issue.

"Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer Magana call an indivdual a bunny again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told Magana not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer Burdios, a friend of his, also stated that he would say bunny when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around Burdios’ neck and squeezed. I stated to Burdios, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull."

Yeah, he's clearly nuts.

Bastards of the Party is damn good. I have seen that twice. But I know our trained negro nature makes us fear violence when it comes to white people and the power structure. Its one of the reasons blacks in America is still loyal puppies and accept small and slow "progress". As long as crumbs are giving and we are allowed to feed off them we's good massa...lol.

Kev, if you were the police and your officers started getting killed at random in a particular area how would you react? And as an individual police officer how would you handle it?

And in its current state do you think the Black Community is organized well enough to pull off such a guerrilla campaign? And do you think it has the resources and training to do it? What would be the end game for this campaign?

Quite frankly I don't think we're ready to play The Spook Who Sat By the Door. Until people have conquered themselves how do they expect to conquer others?

TheHazardous wrote:

Kev, if you were the police and your officers started getting killed at random in a particular area how would you react? And as an individual police officer how would you handle it?

And in its current state do you think the Black Community is organized well enough to pull off such a guerrilla campaign? And do you think it has the resources and training to do it? What would be the end game for this campaign?

Quite frankly I don't think we're ready to play The Spook Who Sat By the Door. Until people have conquered themselves how do they expect to conquer others?

Well everything I am saying as you know is hypothetical and scenario based. So I hope you do not expect me to lay out a real plan. I was just giving an alterantive road that many details and planning would have to be layed out to even make that a reality. I meant targeting the officers who get off after committing acts of violence and misconduct.

Also I was not necessarily saying hurt or kill random officers. I mean come man i'm not a mindless brute. I know we could not and it would not benefit us to just go out there balls out and just go on a murder spree. I agree with that last part of your comments 100%. There is a major need for a self check amongst our people.

I think most of us have had moments of frustrations like this especially in regards to the police.

For those of you who might not or have not gotten around to watching Bastards of the Party one of the reasons I brought it up is it partially highlights the history of the LAPD and why it's so fucked up. Back in the day a Police Chief in response to migrating Blacks looking for work he began purposefully recruiting White Southerners with police and military training to facilitate maintaining social status quo. Basically what we're seeing now is the continuation of a long history of racism.

The second thing you get to see is the climate that led to the rise of gangs in LA. Originally there were factories that welcomed unskilled laborers. The closing of these factories led to economics destitution in areas. You went from people in the working class moving towards becoming middle class to working class falling into poverty. Various political organizations helped give stability and focus to these areas. After the destruction of these political entities by outside forces people lost focus. You were left with young people without jobs who saw no end in sight in regards to the harassment they suffered. And they felt politically positive entities had failed them. Drug cartels saw an untapped work force and gave them drugs to sell. At the very least that gave them money. The money hungry would sell the drugs, the depressed would use them and the sheer number of gangs would keep them competitive.

I was hoping he was still alive, but it has been confirmed that he is dead: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I can only hope something positive comes out of this, but in all honesty, I think nothing will happen. People will just be glad the whole thing is over, and they will forget about the significance of the situation.