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PostSubject: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 20 Mar 2013, 4:49 am

I had the opportunity to get behind the scenes look at my local college radio station. I noticed they played the same songs each week, but in a different order each day. They would rotate a new song or two in the regular playlist from time to time. As a result, the listener gets pummeled with the same message over and over and over, which desensitizes them. As a result,some people seek out the life depicted in the songs, and some don't. This same effect could be seen with Rock and Roll. For a while "sex, drugs, and rock & roll" was the mantra for the genre, and may still be. Some people succumb to it, and some don't. People use music as an escape, and as a result, they are listening to the radio and wishing they were in that life (just like watching TV sitcoms did for a lot of people). It gets perceived as how life should be, and so it's imitated. Since Blacks make up a small percentage of the population, a larger section of that group will appear to succumb to it more often than others. Other ethnicities will display a broader selection of people who have bowed to certain ideals presented to them because there are more of them to draw from. I feel that is why it looks like American Blacks in general are doing far worse than other ethnicities in this country. Thanks to the media, we have seen the American Dream being shoveled into our faces through various outlets, and as a result, people are bragging about getting: money, sex (in various ways and methods), drugs,material possessions... you get the point. People desire these things, and will stop at nothing to get them. So before we accuse hip hop of doing this to a select group of people, we must recognize that America has been doing this to the WHOLE. WORLD., for quite some time, and this is just a cog in the machine, so to speak. The poorest of the poor come to North America in search for some of these things. They flock here because in some way, shape or form, media has told them that America is the place to be if you want to be somebody, meanwhile America's poor (and not so poor) people are seeking this out as well. The American Dream does not help Blacks at all because the same media that touted riches for everybody who entered, is the same media that systematically and continuously crapped on that particular ethnicity for so many years, in various ways and told them to shut up about it at the same time. Could you blame them for screaming for the American Dream, since it seems like everyone has it and they don't, especially when statistics are routinely made in order to drive the message home ? From my standpoint, the image of the snake eating its tail comes to mind. I feel that hip hop is not the culprit here, it's this gangster ass pyramid scheme of a culture that belongs to North America.


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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 20 Mar 2013, 1:09 pm

Hip hop puts sauce on the chaos
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 20 Mar 2013, 6:30 pm

daam this site is dead
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 20 Mar 2013, 6:35 pm

Dang! Trotter wrote:
daam this site is dead

I know, right? I posted this in Amazon, and people responded, but it seems like nobody even read it. I find myself reiterating exactly what I said. smh.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 20 Mar 2013, 9:06 pm

The site is truly dead.

You bring up some interesting points, Revue. I totally agree that Hip Hop gets a lot of the blame while America continues to be the shadiest pimp on the block. But at the same time, the Republican side of me wants to hold individuals accountable for their own lives. While I agree that the messages that are put out by all types of media can have massive effects on people, I also think that it is each person's responsibility to educate themselves in order to make the best decisions despite those messages. I mean, shit, there are plenty of poor kids that grow up from terrible situations and find a way to rise above it to create a good life for themselves. Yes, there are more that don't, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the difference between the smart, motivated individuals and the dummies. Trust me, I know how cold and one-sided that may sound, but I have known too many success stories to not believe in one's own ability to turn negatives into positives.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Thu 21 Mar 2013, 2:18 am

Wanduras wrote:
The site is truly dead.

You bring up some interesting points, Revue. I totally agree that Hip Hop gets a lot of the blame while America continues to be the shadiest pimp on the block. But at the same time, the Republican side of me wants to hold individuals accountable for their own lives. While I agree that the messages that are put out by all types of media can have massive effects on people, I also think that it is each person's responsibility to educate themselves in order to make the best decisions despite those messages. I mean, shit, there are plenty of poor kids that grow up from terrible situations and find a way to rise above it to create a good life for themselves. Yes, there are more that don't, but as far as I'm concerned, that's the difference between the smart, motivated individuals and the dummies. Trust me, I know how cold and one-sided that may sound, but I have known too many success stories to not believe in one's own ability to turn negatives into positives.

I agree with that. Like I said, some succumb to said lifestyles and some don't. By the way, here's a link to the Amazon thread if anybody's interested:
http://www.amazon.com/forum/hip%20hop/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef__np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx2W52DZ4XQUSSD#CustomerDiscussionsNew
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Mon 08 Apr 2013, 5:05 pm

This site is done. Me and Steve tried to bring it back to life but we couldn't do it ourselves just too many slackers here. I'll most likely go back to Rap Genius full time like Half-Shark did.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Mon 08 Apr 2013, 8:03 pm

I don't remember Steve trying to bring it back. You tried though. I'm thinking a lot of people are on spring break right now (or finishing up) and getting ready for mid terms, finals, etc. Some are really busy with other things. I even tried, but with no success. It'll pick up sooner or later.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Tue 09 Apr 2013, 4:09 pm

Whether people want to believe it or not where you start has a lot to do where you finish.

Peep this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8424904/People-with-Norman-names-wealthier-than-other-Britons.html

Maintaining a particular is a lot easier than accelerating.

There's no mystery to why middle class and higher almost always send their kids to college or can send their kids to college.

When they replaced with Affirmative Action with Affirmative Access aka the Top 10 rule there was a sharp drop of minority enrollment in the major college and universities. The other thing they noticed is the quality of minority students they were getting weren't as good. Why?

A lot of the Top 10 minority students were coming from inferior education programs. In harsh terms they were the top of the shit pile. Their high schools hadn't prepared them for college and so when they went to the top tier colleges they got crushed. The AA batch before might not necessarily been in the top 10 in their school but they had gone to a better high school so when college came around and they got a scholarship they were prepared to meet the demands and more likely to succeed.

The resources of a school are determined by its tax base. If you're in a poor area expect poor quality education if you're going to a public high school. Rich districts keep people out by having a certain level of property tax. People who want to move up can't afford to live there or rent on average. Theoretically you could close the public high schools in poor areas and give vouchers for private education. I suspect this is what would happen, people with money would send their kids to even more exclusive schools to limit exposure to undesirables. Having an athletic black kid here and there to help the team is cool but they don't won't all of them. The current number of private schools couldn't support that level of influx anyway. New private schools would pop up to take on the hood kids and provide passable level of education and play economic games to insure their viability. Private schools can eject problem students that effect their bottomline much easier. Charter schools would be the new boon too even though studies have already shown most do worse than public schools. The greater tax base would be happy because now less is money is being spent for the same or worse results. They won't care because it won't effect their kids.

Economics is being used to maintain the disparity already intended. People need to remember the Founding Father based their vision off Greco-Roman culture. They imagined Whites would be the citizens and minorities would be the slaves/workers that took care of stuff that the intellectuals were too high minded to do. When Native American children were taken from their parents they were raised to be domestics. Blacks were used for manual and domestic labor. They thought they would be contemplating the great questions of the universe while the lesser peoples blissfully served them happy they were not burdened by these mental challenges. Any major social movement to change this has been fought tooth and nail to change this. It's why Black Wall Street and independent Black collectives/towns were destroyed. It's partially why Marcus Garvey was so hated. If all the minorities left they might have to serve themselves. Now many years later we're shocked that by sure "chance" for the most part it's still like this. The greedier society becomes the greater this disparity will become apparent.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Tue 09 Apr 2013, 4:24 pm

Going off what you said Haz, I heard a story of a Black dude down south in the 60s who was trying to get Blacks signed up to go back to Africa and they hung him
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 10 Apr 2013, 3:30 am

Lots of folks are getting paid off the fact that money in Black neighborhoods is constantly going out.

The people who own the liquor stores don't live there. When Blacks boycotted buses during the Civil Rights era the response was to make carpooling illegal. LOL! And then they found out Blacks would rather walk than pay for the privilege to be abused and mistreated. Our lack of participation was costing someone money.

Shopping at places that won't even hire us at the very least is ludicrous. Imagine if every Black Woman in America went natural for 6 months in protest of the systematic way distributors refuse to sell to Black entrepreneurs. Something like that would hit countries that export human hair pretty damn hard. Human hair is one of India's major exports and is a major export in Southeast Asia. If you really want to be deep in the hair game learn to speak some of these languages so you can create your own supply line and eliminate the reliance on foreign distributors.

America is capitalistic country so learning to control your money is the key to power and influence.

Other ways people are making money off us is the prison system. Tough on crime policies keep bedrolls flush. Companies are getting paid to feed these inmates. Private prisons are paid to house them. And they are required in some cases to work for pennies on the dollar so somebody is making a mint off that.

There was a judge on the East Coast that was getting kickbacks for sending juveniles to state facilities for relatively minor offenses even if they were first time offenders.

Prison is money. Your crop of future inmates can be determined by test scores in as early as the 5th grade. Why push books if you get paid to house crooks? And the sooner you incarcerate them the longer they stay in the system. They leave prison with minimal or no work history and a felony for their job application. The prophecy almost writes itself.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Wed 10 Apr 2013, 5:27 am

Hazardous always has that truth. Regarding natural hair care and putting the money back in the hands of Blacks. There has been a movement going on where there is a plethora of hair care products being made specifically by and for blacks. Carol's Daughter, Miss Jessies, Bronnor Brothers (a very old company),and I'm sure there are many more, plus blogs, websites, You tube channels are out there as well. In fact, Black hair is so hot right now that people in South Africa are STEALING (that's right) dreads from folks and adding them as extensions: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21498878 If folks started to think big, we could take over the weave game!

"The people who own the liquor stores don't live there. When Blacks boycotted buses during the Civil Rights era the response was to make carpooling illegal. LOL! And then they found out Blacks would rather walk than pay for the privilege to be abused and mistreated. Our lack of participation was costing someone money.

Shopping at places that won't even hire us at the very least is ludicrous. Imagine if every Black Woman in America went natural for 6 months in protest of the systematic way distributors refuse to sell to Black entrepreneurs. Something like that would hit countries that export human hair pretty damn hard. Human hair is one of India's major exports and is a major export in Southeast Asia. If you really want to be deep in the hair game learn to speak some of these languages so you can create your own supply line and eliminate the reliance on foreign distributors.


This is why I feel the Civil Rights Movement was a big flop. Everybody rushed to see why the grass was so green on the other side. Older Blacks can remember when they had neighbors who were from all walks of life. The neighborhoods were buzzing with activity, and a kid could see what success and failure looked like. Now that everybody picked up and left, the money dried up, and those who could afford to leave did just that. Now there is nothing but blight and sadness in the neighborhood. The ones that chose to stay will do their best to keep the kids safe in the house. I also agree with the whole for profit prison system thing. Why not lock everybody up and give them some sort of work program where they make less than two dollars a day assembling circuit boards, toys, etc. It's slavery, plain and simple.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Hip Hop Destroying Black America? Details inside   Thu 11 Apr 2013, 2:18 am

That was a major internal failure.

It's easier to move some place nicer than alter the environment you live in for the better. But the latter has a far more significant impact in the long run.

I would also tell people to peep the documentary Bastards of the Party because it adds insight into this issue.

There were organizations that attempted to improve communities but they were systematically sabotaged. And the loss of jobs in areas contributed to the self-destruction of areas. You cut off the cash flow to any area and the area will eventually implode. The issue of jobs has been the source of suffering in places like Detroit for a long time.

The Great Migration put a lot of Black people on the path to the middle class but when those jobs went away regression followed.
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