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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:21 am

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So you're throwing a challenge towards me??? If so I accept.

yes, make a case that does not revolve around personal preference. You can't do it.

Ok Bama, give me your Top 10 for the East

I've already listed them above. Keep in mind that Biggie isn't #11 on my list. you're going to have to discredit a lot of MC's to move Biggie in to my top 10.

I'm not doing this to change your opinion because nothing will do that. I'm only doing this to show why Biggie is a GOAT.

I'm not gonna argue against KRS or Nas, because those two are in the same class as Biggie IMO.

GZA- Great lyricist, but Liquid Swords is his only album that's as good as either of Biggie's. He's in my Top 10 though.

LL Cool J- Without question he's a legend, but he's also been largely inconsistent. Hasn't made a classic (or even NEAR classic) album since Mama Said Knock You Out in 1990. That album and maybe Radio are the only two that are as good as either of Biggie's. He's in my Top 20 in the East.

Kool G Rap- Another great MC who's also in my Top 10, however he's dropped a couple stinkers since he split up with DJ Polo. Line for line he's just as good as Biggie, but Big has him beat when it comes to versatility. G Rap is strictly hardcore, and Live or Let Die is the only album I feel that's as good as Ready To Die. Road To The Riches and Wanted DOA are as good as Life After Death although I bump LAD more.

BDK- He's also in my Top 10, He's got two classics but he also has two stinkers. His first two albums can hang with Biggie's but the rest of his catalog can't. BDK himself has even said that Biggie was the MC that reminded him most of him in terms of style, and I agree. I think that Biggie was hungry, so I don't feel he would have dropped a dud until MUCH later in his career, if ever.

Pharoahe Monch- Unless you count Organized Konfusion's debut, none of his albums are as good as Biggie's IMO. He's in my Top 15-20 in the East, but he should have dropped MORE material given the time he's been in the game.

Ghostface Killah- He's a Top 15 fav of mine, but he's nowhere near as good as Biggie lyrically. Ironman and Supreme Clientele are classics, but Ready To Die and Life After Death are both better IMO.

Jay Z- I don't see why you'd consider him Top 10 and not Biggie other than the fact that Big's catalog isn't as large (which isn't his fault). It's clearly evident that Biggie was Jay's biggest influence, and he even goes as far as to bite Biggie's lines in MANY of his songs. Jay is my 5th fav from the East because of his consistent catalog, but when Biggie was alive, it's a proven fact that he was Robin to Biggie's Batman.

Talib Kweli- He's a great lyricist in my Top 15-20 or so but Train Of Thought was his only classic and only album in the class of Ready To Die or Life After Death, unless you include the Black Star album.

u do realize people have different opinions...
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:21 am

Yes I do Slang, but Terry threw out a challenge to me so I answered it.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:26 am

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I'm not doing this to change your opinion because nothing will do that. I'm only doing this to show why Biggie is a GOAT.

I'm not gonna argue against KRS or Nas, because those two are in the same class as Biggie IMO.

GZA- Great lyricist, but Liquid Swords is his only album that's as good as either of Biggie's. He's in my Top 10 though.

LL Cool J- Without question he's a legend, but he's also been largely inconsistent. Hasn't made a classic (or even NEAR classic) album since Mama Said Knock You Out in 1990. That album and maybe Radio are the only two that are as good as either of Biggie's. He's in my Top 20 in the East.

Kool G Rap- Another great MC who's also in my Top 10, however he's dropped a couple stinkers since he split up with DJ Polo. Line for line he's just as good as Biggie, but Big has him beat when it comes to versatility. G Rap is strictly hardcore, and Live or Let Die is the only album I feel that's as good as Ready To Die. Road To The Riches and Wanted DOA are as good as Life After Death although I bump LAD more.

BDK- He's also in my Top 10, He's got two classics but he also has two stinkers. His first two albums can hang with Biggie's but the rest of his catalog can't. BDK himself has even said that Biggie was the MC that reminded him most of him in terms of style, and I agree. I think that Biggie was hungry, so I don't feel he would have dropped a dud until MUCH later in his career, if ever.

Pharoahe Monch- Unless you count Organized Konfusion's debut, none of his albums are as good as Biggie's IMO. He's in my Top 15-20 in the East, but he should have dropped MORE material given the time he's been in the game.

Ghostface Killah- He's a Top 15 fav of mine, but he's nowhere near as good as Biggie lyrically. Ironman and Supreme Clientele are classics, but Ready To Die and Life After Death are both better IMO.

Jay Z- I don't see why you'd consider him Top 10 and not Biggie other than the fact that Big's catalog isn't as large (which isn't his fault). It's clearly evident that Biggie was Jay's biggest influence, and he even goes as far as to bite Biggie's lines in MANY of his songs. Jay is my 5th fav from the East because of his consistent catalog, but when Biggie was alive, it's a proven fact that he was Robin to Biggie's Batman.

Talib Kweli- He's a great lyricist in my Top 15-20 or so but Train Of Thought was his only classic and only album in the class of Ready To Die or Life After Death, unless you include the Black Star album.

If what I'm reading is correct, you are admitting to my top 10's dopeness, but you personally prefer Biggie(which is acceptable), right? If so, why should Biggie's inclusion be automatic? Obviously you couldn't make a case against them.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:28 am

I've been trying to tell you that ALL ALONG Bama! I never said that anyone on your list was wack, I just feel Biggie is as good or better than many of them.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:29 am

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I've been trying to tell you that ALL ALONG Bama! I never said that anyone on your list was wack, I just feel Biggie is as good or better than many of them.

No, you said Biggie should have EASILY made the top 10. If it's easy, who's coming off my list?

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:30 am

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Biggie should have made this list EASILY but it's whatever. All I know is that if anybody questions the way I vote, I'm just gonna be like.....

Biggie >>>>> Artist people are bitching about me voting against

^^^^^^^^There it is in black and white

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:36 am

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Yes I do Slang, but Terry threw out a challenge to me so I answered it.

heres a challenge, tell me how in any way BIG is more LYRICAL in the strict sense of the definition of the word than Ghostface Killah? its funny when people say GFK isnt as Lyrical as people cuz half the time they dont take the time to actually understand what he is saying.

take these four bars for example,
on the song Holocaust (Silkworm) off Bobby Digital In Stereo Ghost gets lyrical to a point you probably haven't ever put together before:

"The beat terminal, exquisite young coolie high production
Caught up in the hollow-head suction
Ten pogo sticks, two black-belts that break bricks
Diet coke meetin's with the rich"


the use of dense, cryptic metaphors makes this seem like another meaningless mish-mash of words but it's not. it's about snorting coke, 10 straws, 2 guys cut the coke, turning it into "diet" coke, which they then sell. so all he did was describe selling drugs, an ordinary boast in this genre, except the way he did it was so unique, imaginative, and bold. bold because there's no way anyone could know what ghost is talking about the first time they hear it. but requiring repeated listens, challenging the listener to decipher opaque references, and leaving plenty open for interpretation.

in dropping these rap hieroglyphics, he also shifts away from the kind of unambiguous, explicit descriptions about himself or opponents that we usually see. instead he uses implicit boasts of a less fantastical and more common or personal nature -- that he sells drugs, as mentioned, or that he'd been in the rap game for 12 years, or his dick swinging cuz "shit went well." he's piecing together an actual character, not just spouting off a laundry list of random superhuman abilities and achievements in a barrage of unbelievable boasts. and unlike the supposedly all dominant and infallible MCs we're accustomed to seeing in battle raps, by getting high and "falling out in the basement" he allows this character he's just built up to be humanized to a degree rarely seen in this format.

the last distinction is subtle but important and it has to do with the role of the listener. as we usually see in these types of verses, in between boasts the MC invariably does some awful things to "you," the sucka MC. doc doom is calling you a dum-dum (ouch); rza's smacking you on your neck with toast, black toast; and you don't even wanna know what's gonna happen to your seeds since holocaust back smacked the shit out of you. but the only time "you" appear in ghost's verse is when you are "amazed" to see him as he pulls up in a spaceship outside your window. completely abandoning the conventional antagonism between MC and listener, ghost simply assumes you already think he's the greatest, establishing an entirely different dynamic with the listener than the tried and true "me vs. you" approach. but engaging the listener in an unfamiliar dynamic, one less hostile to the listener.

finally, let's not forget that the style which he used to craft his masterpiece supreme clientele wasn't born in a vacuum. we saw glimpses of it as his career progressed but it wasn't until cobra clutch, dropping just a couple months prior to bob digi, that it appeared in its nearly complete form. even still, experimenting with this radically new style on a solo track which appeared on a virtually unknown compilation album is one thing; it's quite another to see it in action for the first time on rza's highly anticipated debut, appearing alongside a few other MCs in a battle rap format. so the fact that he not only decided to employ this radically new style, but also chose to deviate from so many conventions of the format as he did here is pretty exceptional. and looking back now it's clear that this (and terrorist) proved to be a crucial testing ground for the style which then later defined Supreme Clientele.




Now, read that and tell me when Biggie has even come close to that level of LYRICAL COMPLEXITY ever? And that's only 4 bars of a verse man, the whole verse is fire, heads need to wake up when they say Ghost isnt as "lyrical" as Nas, Jay, BIG, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:39 am

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KJ Styles wrote:
I've been trying to tell you that ALL ALONG Bama! I never said that anyone on your list was wack, I just feel Biggie is as good or better than many of them.

No, you said Biggie should have EASILY made the top 10. If it's easy, who's coming off my list?

Take what I said for whatever you want. But here's my Top 10 for the East....

Biggie
Nas
Rakim
KRS-One
Jay Z
Black Thought
Big Daddy Kane
Q-Tip
Kool G Rap
GZA
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:42 am

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I've been trying to tell you that ALL ALONG Bama! I never said that anyone on your list was wack, I just feel Biggie is as good or better than many of them.

No, you said Biggie should have EASILY made the top 10. If it's easy, who's coming off my list?

Take what I said for whatever you want. But here's my Top 10 for the East....

Biggie
Nas
Rakim
KRS-One
Jay Z
Black Thought
Big Daddy Kane
Q-Tip
Kool G Rap
GZA

How else am i supposed to take it? There is nothing wrong with your top 10, but Biggie's inclusion is not a no brainer.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:46 am

Hey Slang....Diet Coke's meetin with the rich??? Really? That's the best you could come up with??

I'm a Ghostface fan too, but c'mon? That shit didn't even make sense. If you were gonna make a case for Ghost being more lyrical as Biggie you could have come MUCH BETTER than that.

I love Ghost, but sometimes he comes up with rhymes that don't make sense. Biggie's always do, and he has some of the illest punchlines ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:47 am

^ did you even read ALL i wrote, it makes perfect sense man c'mon
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:48 am

your reading it as a word for word literal translation and not taking it into account as a metaphor with a deeper meaning
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:49 am

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I've been trying to tell you that ALL ALONG Bama! I never said that anyone on your list was wack, I just feel Biggie is as good or better than many of them.

No, you said Biggie should have EASILY made the top 10. If it's easy, who's coming off my list?

Take what I said for whatever you want. But here's my Top 10 for the East....

Biggie
Nas
Rakim
KRS-One
Jay Z
Black Thought
Big Daddy Kane
Q-Tip
Kool G Rap
GZA

How else am i supposed to take it? There is nothing wrong with your top 10, but Biggie's inclusion is not a no brainer.

Thanks for the props on my Top 10, but as far as Biggie's inclusion not being a no-brainer, I guess we'll agree to disagree on that.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:49 am

Umm Slang Ghost is a lyrical dude but he's nowhere near the level of Biggie's lyricism IMO...and it's not even close

"Victory","Unbelievable" and even one he was just havin fun on "Another" IMO just kill anything Ghost has ever written...the way he flows on each one, the lyrics, the cadence, and to top shit off none of that shit was pre-written lyrics, just shit out of his fat ass head...

now that's some fuckin lyrical talent and Ghost as dope as he is can't compete....I feel like IMO Biggie would've murdered that dude in a contest

again this is my opinion on it, not a fact, just my take!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:52 am

you and KJ think that cuz yu dont take time to actually sit down and decipher the deeper meaning of Ghost's lyrics, Biggie's lyrics are very easy to understand and very straightforward and yes he is a great lyricist and one of the best MC's to ever rap but when you take about lyrical complexity he doesnt come close to Ghost, see my long post above

but i gotta go man we can finish this later or agree to disagree
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 11:55 am

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you and KJ think that cuz yu dont take time to actually sit down and decipher the deeper meaning of Ghost's lyrics, Biggie's lyrics are very easy to understand and very straightforward and yes he is a great lyricist and one of the best MC's to ever rap but when you take about lyrical complexity he doesnt come close to Ghost, see my long post above

but i gotta go man we can finish this later or agree to disagree

"Ten Crack Commandents" "Niggas Bleed" "Nobody Until Somebody Kills You" all very deep stuff with clear and unclear meanings...and none of that shit was pre-written my dude.....Ghost as dope as he is can't fuck with it and I honestly believe that Ghost himself would say the same shit man
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:03 pm

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Umm Slang Ghost is a lyrical dude but he's nowhere near the level of Biggie's lyricism IMO...and it's not even close

"Victory","Unbelievable" and even one he was just havin fun on "Another" IMO just kill anything Ghost has ever written...the way he flows on each one, the lyrics, the cadence, and to top shit off none of that shit was pre-written lyrics, just shit out of his fat ass head...

now that's some fuckin lyrical talent and Ghost as dope as he is can't compete....I feel like IMO Biggie would've murdered that dude in a contest

again this is my opinion on it, not a fact, just my take!

Co-Sign, Ghost is dope but Biggie is better line for line IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:08 pm

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you and KJ think that cuz yu dont take time to actually sit down and decipher the deeper meaning of Ghost's lyrics, Biggie's lyrics are very easy to understand and very straightforward and yes he is a great lyricist and one of the best MC's to ever rap but when you take about lyrical complexity he doesnt come close to Ghost, see my long post above

but i gotta go man we can finish this later or agree to disagree

"Ten Crack Commandents" "Niggas Bleed" "Nobody Until Somebody Kills You" all very deep stuff with clear and unclear meanings...and none of that shit was pre-written my dude.....Ghost as dope as he is can't fuck with it and I honestly believe that Ghost himself would say the same shit man

Yep, also add Everyday Struggle, Warning, Who Shot Ya, What's Beef, and Long Kiss Goodnight to that list.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:12 pm

Those songs are not abstract and complex like Ghost's lines. They are lyrical and they may be deep, but they are not complex in the same sense as Slang is saying Ghost is. He is saying there is more than one way to define lyricism.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:22 pm

Way to be diplomatic, Terry.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:26 pm

I understand that, but sometimes Ghost says things that don't make sense as well.

Not to flow too much off topic, but the same argument that Slang was making about Ghost, I've been making about Lupe Fiasco but nobody sees it except myself and Jason. Lupe's songs are deep as fuck too and he's got wicked vocab and flow, but people in here dismiss him like he's Souljah Boy or something.

There's definitely different ways to define lyricism, but I feel that Biggie is better than Ghost because of his clever punchlines and wicked flow. Ghost is lyrical too and also one of my favs but Biggie is doper IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:31 pm

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I understand that, but sometimes Ghost says things that don't make sense as well.

Not to flow too much off topic, but the same argument that Slang was making about Ghost, I've been making about Lupe Fiasco but nobody sees it except myself and Jason. Lupe's songs are deep as fuck too and he's got wicked vocab and flow, but people in here dismiss him like he's Souljah Boy or something.

There's definitely different ways to define lyricism, but I feel that Biggie is better than Ghost because of his clever punchlines and wicked flow. Ghost is lyrical too and also one of my favs but Biggie is doper IMO.

yeah, Ghost goes a little too far sometimes. You're right. The same could be said about Lupe too, but listening to Lupe can be like watching paint dry. It's everything else that Ghost has that separates him from Lupe.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:31 pm

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Those songs are not abstract and complex like Ghost's lines. They are lyrical and they may be deep, but they are not complex in the same sense as Slang is saying Ghost is. He is saying there is more than one way to define lyricism.

Alot of times Ghost is just using some different type of Shaolin slang terms to describe his shit that no one but himself understands...lol...kinda like De La Soul did with their first couple of albums, both of which are lyrical artists but I'd prefer to actually understand what the artist was saying and refer to them as being lyrical in the same sense

it doesn't mean their "complex" because no one can understand them,, I can't understand alot of Bone Thugs either but have never thought of them as "complex" lyricists
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:56 pm

Biggie is not a complex lyricist... very straight forward dude on the mic... and he did not freestyle all his shit...
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 12:59 pm

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Biggie is not a complex lyricist... very straight forward dude on the mic... and he did not freestyle all his shit...

Sure he's straight forward, but he's deep when he wants to be, and very lyrically clever with his punchlines.

He did come off the top of his dome quite a bit though, as well as write.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Fri 31 Jul 2009, 9:33 pm

thank you SRP and Terry for understanding what i meant
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 12:57 am

BIG also used ghostwriters, something Ghost never did.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 4:13 am

You use ghostwriters. AKA me

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 1:46 pm

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:
BIG also used ghostwriters, something Ghost never did.

BULLSHIT!!! He never fuckin used ghostwriters. You're just hatin!!!

I know people in Brooklyn who knew Biggie, and he's been rhymin since he was about 16-17 or so. Stop making shit up Jeff!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 6:54 pm

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:
BIG also used ghostwriters, something Ghost never did.

N3RO if you don't have PROOF of something like that which I doubt you do then please keep the bullshit...maybe Diddy and Craig Mack were his ghostwriters??? ya think? lol

Biggie barely wrote anything down himself

I swear I will never understand how ANY hip-hop fan could even try to disrespect the legacy of Biggie, he was that talented, I think that's why he was really killed, due to jealousy about the man's talent, dudes really hating on him like bitches hate on each other..it's straight disgusting..real talk!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:04 pm

LMAO! why weren't KRS, Rakim, LL, etc. killed then? LMAO!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:11 pm

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LMAO! why weren't KRS, Rakim, LL, etc. killed then? LMAO!

Hey Steve-Pac, your the main one I was referring too man..lol

Biggie was out at a time and down with a dude who a lot of heads were either hating on or just plain hated at the time, hence why I say heads were completely jealous of him....at that time for some strange ass reason (maybe due to Suge, I don't know) the hate for Big was even more pronounced....and I honestly feel it was because of his talent level...even though you don't see it Steve-Pac, Biggie was straight ridiculous talent wise and because of that made alot of n*i*g*g*a*s uncomfortable, that combined with bringing the shine back to NYC, and being down with Diddy, made him an easy target for hate and jealousy...

Ya get me Steve-Pac???


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:12 pm

lol, got ya baby bubba, even if you're delusional.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:17 pm

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lol, got ya baby bubba, even if you're delusional.

everything I said was true, nothing delusional nor made up man....I know you idolize Pac and can't see the light because Pac's penis is blocking it out but even Pac acknowledged Big's talents at one time man, otherwise he would have never shown that dude any love and put him on stage's with him when he was an unknown emcee...I mean Pac wasn't inviting everybody to be on the same stage with him man...Big's talents were tremendous whether you agree or not!


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:18 pm

i never claimed he was talentless; i just dont go overboard crazy into the hype machine like you nyc niggaz do...and why you gotta throw some shit in there dissin me, cant keep it civil?
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 9:22 pm

it was jokes man, but believe me I'm not caught up in any hype man....I've been listening to hip-hop for a minute and if I thought Biggie wasn't the truth then I would say it and you already know that man...he's one of the best I ever heard do it which is why even though he had only an extremely limited amount of material he's still number 3 on my top ten of all-time list..
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 11:49 pm

Actually if you know the story of how Ma$e got signed...or even read some of the publishing notations in his linear notes you'd know that Biggie had used ghostwriters. I like Biggie, I own three cds...I'm just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sat 01 Aug 2009, 11:53 pm

http://www.defsounds.com/rumors/Ghostwriters_exposed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/aug/05/ishiphophauntedbyghostwriters


Type Notorious BIG and ghostwriter in google, or you can do it the hard way and verify these claims on ASCAP. I'm not saying he used them all the time, I'm just saying it's a strike against him.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 2:04 am

Biggie NEVER had fuckin Ghostwriters! The only reason why Ma$e is in liner notes is because he collaborated with him on a number of tracks, and Ma$e also did a little producing.

And Powell is 100% right. Biggie IS one of the best that ever did it. It's not his fault that he was killed early. He was killed because some jealous assclowns thought that he had something to do with Pac's murder, which he DIDN'T!

If Rakim were killed after Follow The Leader, or Cube was killed after Death Certificate, or KRS after By All Means Necessary, nobody would dispute their place among the all time greats. If anything it'd be even MORE undisputed. Biggie isn't overrated by any means, if anything he's UNDERRATED by this underground nerd loving forum. To say that Biggie wasn't a great MC would be like saying that Jordan wasn't a great basketball player.


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 2:07 am

The one that lists artists is maddddd suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 2:11 am

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The one that lists artists is maddddd suspect

The guy who broke that story goes by the name of Jokesta. Can you really trust a guy by that name?
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 9:50 am

That list is pretty much common knowledge, as it is common knowledge that Biggie used ghost/co-writers as well. Most big rappers have done it at some point.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 9:56 am

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Biggie NEVER had fuckin Ghostwriters! The only reason why Ma$e is in liner notes is because he collaborated with him on a number of tracks, and Ma$e also did a little producing.

And Powell is 100% right. Biggie IS one of the best that ever did it. It's not his fault that he was killed early. He was killed because some jealous assclowns thought that he had something to do with Pac's murder, which he DIDN'T!

If Rakim were killed after Follow The Leader, or Cube was killed after Death Certificate, or KRS after By All Means Necessary, nobody would dispute their place among the all time greats. If anything it'd be even MORE undisputed. Biggie isn't overrated by any means, if anything he's UNDERRATED by this underground nerd loving forum. To say that Biggie wasn't a great MC would be like saying that Jordan wasn't a great basketball player.

No, If those dudes were killed after their 2nd album, they would have the same question mark as Biggie.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 11:43 am

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:
http://www.defsounds.com/rumors/Ghostwriters_exposed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/aug/05/ishiphophauntedbyghostwriters


Type Notorious BIG and ghostwriter in google, or you can do it the hard way and verify these claims on ASCAP. I'm not saying he used them all the time, I'm just saying it's a strike against him.

LMAO@N3RO, you have NO proof of ghostwriting here my dude...it says Jada wrote something for Biggie on it as an example...well Jada is still alive and if I ever hear Jada say something like that then I'll believe it, but any idiot knows that Big did all of his own thoughts...I can't even say writing because he didn't write shit down, it was mostly out of his head onto the beat and then on wax forever

Jada when he had the beef with Diddy back in 2001 I'm sure would've used this information to his advantage as any good businessman would have, so ummm N3RO sorry to bust your bubble man but you've got false information my dude...lol

present some FACTS and then we can talk about this situation further

if you notice even in the internet addresses of both joints you gave the first one says "rumors" in it and the second one says "is hip-hop haunted by ghostwriters"

READ N3RO, those sites you gave are like National Enquirer sites who still claim to see Michael Jackson alive on the train singing with his kids...LMAO!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 1:54 pm

Biggie fan boys are so delusional...
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 2:11 pm

Southern Rap Pro wrote:
Biggie fan boys are so delusional...

I'm not a fanboy, I just recognize that Biggie is one of the best that's ever done it. Better than all of Tex-Ass combined!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Greatest (East) #6   Sun 02 Aug 2009, 3:23 pm

Southern Rap Pro wrote:
Biggie fan boys are so delusional...

LMAO

Andre Nicktina and Seagram's fan bitches are confused...both of those heads are non-existent to the hip-hop world at large, known by about 50,000 hardcore idiots between the two of them....confused mothafuckers...lol
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