The Juice Crew thread motivated me since this is a great match up also...top calibur rappers most with deep lyrics and top ten production to back them up with Rza and Organized Noise.

LMAO....Juice Crew is close, this is NO CONTEST.

Wu in a blow out.

I don't see a blow out production or lyric wise....I pick the Dungeon Fam because I feel Dre, Big Boi, Gipp, Cee Lo, and Killer Mike could match up with some fo the best from the Wu. Not in a mic battle per say but catalog and skill wise.

Well to Me the production is a complete blowout. GZA and Andre are both top 10 to me, and they cancel each other out. I think Meth is better than Big Boi, but not by a ton though. Here is where we will differ though Kev. Ghostface is one of my favorites, and I know you think he is somewhat overrated. I would take him over Cee-lo as a lyricist, and he has at least 3 albums better than Cee-lo's best.. Killer Mike is dope, but I'm not sure he's better than Deck or Raekwon. I was never a huge fan of Gipp

Ghostface is in my top 20 fav so I do not think he is overrated overall but lyrically he is sometimes and I can't believe you think he is more lyrical than Cee-Lo? Cee Lo first of all is understandable, 2nd of all he has the more deeper lyrics imo. I think Ghost has the betta delivery and their style is a tie I would say. Gipp in his prime may could get Rae and Deck word for word but like Ghost Gipp is hard to read sometimes due to the slang and riddles he rhymes in. Killer mike would best Rae and U God to me and Meht and Big Boi would be good but I think Meth would win that one. But who's really messing with Andre? seriously?

Oh and production wise I know you must be using blind bias because Organized Noise are beastly and I think you know that. I mean they crafted jsut as many rap anthems as Wu to me. Wu is top 5 fav of mine and they are betta than DF impact, mic battle, and maybe originality wise but quality, real talk lyricism, and beat wise it's not a blow out it's dang close.

Kev, you know i love Cee-Lo, and i think Ghost and Cee-lo are the most soulful members of their groups. Cee-lo reminds me of Pac to a certain extent. I think their passion makes them seem better than they actually are in reality. I do think Ghost is a better lyricist, but he's more abstract. Sometimes Ghost will out think himself, and his rhymes can border on nonsensical. IMO, that is only a small gripe. Cee-lo's problem is that he can sing too much. Someone that dope does not need to be singing that much. As far as Andre goes, he would be canceled out by GZA.. They are both top ten to me.

lol, kev talks about blind bias when he is the only dude stupid enough to call Dungeon Family a greater collective than Wu...LMAO, kev, you're the most biased dude on this forum man, LMAO!!!!!!!

Sorry Kev. You can argue this all day and night man but I'll take the Wu in a landslide victory. It's not even close.

Wu wins this one easily. Outkast and Cee-Lo are the only ones that can match up with the top 5-6 guys in Wu.

Wu-Tang by TKO in the first round. This isn't much of a fight.

TKO? Wow, don't go out on a limb or anything, Lopez.

I wanna know who voted for Dungeon Family besides blind kev? SRP and...?

Sorry Kev but Wu-Tang is murdering these dudes man and I do respect the Dungeon Family especially Outkast who is one of my favorite groups of all-time

but the Wu is just too strong here....they win easily

the fuck? lol

Wu-Tang by serious leaps and bounds, respectively.

Honestly, I haven't heard much Dungeon Fam besides Outkast, Goodie Mob, a Killer Mike record, a Witchdoctor record. And a Cee-Lo record. So I honestly don't feel I could vote on this one objectively.

However, I will say these records top the very best by the Wu IMO:

Goodie Mob "Soul Food"
Outkast "Southernplayalistic"
Outkast "Aquemini"

Whether they're better or not is debatable. But I'd take each one of them over "36 Chambers" is a heartbeat.

well The Dungeon family would probably have 3 albums in my top 20-25 too, but i'd replace Southernplayalistic with ATLiens.

That's kinda crazy, I'd rank the Kast that counts at:

ATLiens
Aquemini
Southernplayaist
Stankonia
Speakerboxx
Idlewild
Love Below


Whatever happened to Big Boi's Sir Luscious Leftfoot?

For me its...

Aquemini
ATLiens
Southern...
Stankonia
The Love Below (not a terrible album lol)
Speakerboxx
Idlewild

I'll take ATLiens over 36 Chambers by a hair...here's how I rank Kast

ATLiens
Aquemini
Southern...
Stankonia
Idlewild
Speakerboxx
Love Below

Well, i guess i should give my rankings

Aquemini
ATLiens
Southernplayalistic
Stankonia
Speakerboxxx
Love Below
Idlewild

ATLiens (top 10 of all time, IMO)
Aquemini
Southernplayalisticadillacmusik
Stankonia
Speakerboxxx (wayyyyyyyy underrated)
Idelwild
Love Below

Shon, way to be a biter.

That just shows that you have a great taste in music!

My Outkast rankings:
Aquemini
Southerplayalistic
ATLiens
Speakerboxxx
Stankonia
Idlewild
Love Below

I don't have ATLiens over 36 Chambers, but they are both classic albums...

my Outkast rankings are:

ATLiens
Southernplayalistic
Aquemini
Stankonia
Speakboxxx
The Love Below
Idlewild

Sothernplayalistic
ATLiens
Aquemini
All the rest. They went steadily down hill.