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PostSubject: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:19 pm

Please tell this moron KJ that Jive is not a hip hop label.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:23 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:27 pm

I don't know.. Backstreet boys and Britney Spears rank amongst my favorite east coast rappers ever.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:30 pm

Yeah they give Average Homeboy a good run for G.O.A.T.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:35 pm

This is like saying Select O Hits is a hip hop label. Sure, they have a ton of hip hop acts, but they also have christian pop groups. When I think "hip hop label" I think a label that has PREDOMINANTLY hip hop acts, with maybe an R&B, Pop or Rock act but that is always the exception. Any label as large as Jive, Island, Interscope, Virgin, etc etc etc can't limit itself to one genre of music or it simply won't survive. KJ also thinks lyrics determine the "type" of hip hop song (ie if a song is pop or not) so let's just leave it at that.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:35 pm

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Please tell this moron KJ that Jive is not a hip hop label.

Others have named labels who's artists aren't all rappers either, yet you decided to call ME and only ME out. Eat a dick!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:39 pm

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Please tell this moron KJ that Jive is not a hip hop label.

Others have named labels who's artists aren't all rappers either, yet you decided to call ME and only ME out. Eat a dick!!!!


Why don't you read n3ro's post for a change and learn something.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:41 pm

Alright, i didn't want to be this blunt and obvious, but a hip hop record label is a label established with the purpose of releasing hip hop/R&B music. just because a label releases a ton of hip hop music(which Jive did in the 80's and 90's) does not make them a hip hop label.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:42 pm

Jive was known for Hip-Hop at one point, but they didn't start with the aim of being a Hip-Hop label, and since the late 90s they've moved away from Hip-Hop. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even have any Hip-Hop artists left on their label. So, they're a record label that released Hip-Hop albums, not a Hip-Hop record label.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:43 pm

lol @ KJ's -11 reputation

Co-sign Jason...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:47 pm

What are those plus minus things. Iz confuzed?!?
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:48 pm

And you just got a minus. Do try and keep up, Cise.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:48 pm

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Jive was known for Hip-Hop at one point, but they didn't start with the aim of being a Hip-Hop label, and since the late 90s they've moved away from Hip-Hop. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even have any Hip-Hop artists left on their label. So, they're a record label that released Hip-Hop albums, not a Hip-Hop record label.

Bingo

I don't know how many different ways this needs to be explained to KJ.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:50 pm

Shucks. Well at least I'm not at 0%.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:51 pm

Apparently A Flock Of Seagulls and Billy Ocean are hip hop to KJ.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jive_records
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 1:59 pm

I think reputation thing is lame. it's the equivilant of voting no for "does this add to the discussion" feature on amazon. KJ doesn't deserve that.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:07 pm

it doesnt matter if it is a "hip hop" label or not, the fact that they signed tons of rap acts throughout the years makes them a label for hip hop acts, regardless if thats what theyre known for they have still released tons of credible hip hop music
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:10 pm

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it doesnt matter if it is a "hip hop" label or not, the fact that they signed tons of rap acts throughout the years makes them a label for hip hop acts, regardless if thats what theyre known for they have still released tons of credible hip hop music

It does matter. The question what was the greatest hip hop record label. Jive was not established for hip hop. point blank period.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:12 pm

Slang, the whole argument is about hip hop labels. Clearly you're missing the point.


Also, this argument is important because a label like Jive founded by white corporate people who obviously didn't have hip hop's best interests in mind (ask KRS, UGK, Crustified Dibbs, etc) and shouldn't be put in the same boat as other hip hop labels. Def Jam was founded by two guys who love hip hop and who did their best to turn a profit while bringing dope hip hop to the masses.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:17 pm

Slang kinda has a point, IMO...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:33 pm

then at last concede to the fact that if the question was "What is the best label to put out hip hop music besides Def Jam?", Jive would be a legitimate answer

the slight changing of words changes that much in your opinion?

in all honesty, who the fuck cares
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:34 pm

Zol already did this in the other thread, but he left a couple of names off the list, so I looked through my collection and found...

Boogie Down Productions/KRS
UGK
Mystikal
Extra Prolific
Souls of Mischief
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A Tribe Called Quest
Menace II Society Soundtrack
Shaquille O'Neal (lol...hey, it was rap)
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Petey Pablo
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The Corruptor Soundtrack
Thug Life
The Click
D-Nice
Kool Moe Dee
Mobb Deep
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UTFO
Ms. Melodie

They did as much for rap as any label during their run. I'm inclined to agree with Slang here...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:37 pm

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then at last concede to the fact that if the question was "What is the best label to put out hip hop music besides Def Jam?", Jive would be a legitimate answer

the slight changing of words changes that much in your opinion?

in all honesty, who the fuck cares

Yes, it makes all the difference. If Jive had continued the hip-hop route - the answer would be different. I'd be willing to forgive their origins if they have switched to hip-hop and stuck with it, but they switched, milked it, and then switched to something more popular and more or less abandoned their hip-hop acts. That just doesn't fly to me as a hip-hop label.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:47 pm

Hmm....another good point...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 2:49 pm

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Zol already did this in the other thread, but he left a couple of names off the list, so I looked through my collection and found...

Boogie Down Productions/KRS
UGK
Mystikal
Extra Prolific
Souls of Mischief
Fu-Schnickens
A Tribe Called Quest
Menace II Society Soundtrack
Shaquille O'Neal (lol...hey, it was rap)
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
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Whodini
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Akinyele
Ant Banks
Too Short
Petey Pablo
Keith Murray
The Corruptor Soundtrack
Thug Life
The Click
D-Nice
Kool Moe Dee
Mobb Deep
Steady B
UTFO
Ms. Melodie

They did as much for rap as any label during their run. I'm inclined to agree with Slang here...

I guess we should list Interscope too. They've been in bed with Dre, Em, 50, and Death Row. we will completely ignore their ties to No Doubt and Marilyn Manson. These lables were not started for hip hop nor do they care about the genre the way Diddy, J. Prince, or Russell Simmons cares about the genre. It's not the same and you know it.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 3:39 pm

Maybe we should.

Oh, and you left Tupac (before Death Row), Bubba Sparxxx, the Ruff Ryders collective, Akinyele, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Foxy Brown, Black Eyed Peas, Lupe Fiasco, the Star Trak collective, The Knux, will.i.am, Rich Boy, Timbaland, Wale, and Will Smith off of your list. Not only that, Death Row, Shady, Aftermath, Ruff Ryders all dropped a lot of records...

And....Diddy? Seriously? You really think Diddy cares about the genre? He's not raping and pillaging like the others?


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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 3:42 pm

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Maybe we should.

Oh, and you left Tupac (before Death Row), Bubba Sparxxx, the Ruff Ryders collective, Akinyele, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Foxy Brown, Black Eyed Peas, Lupe Fiasco, the Star Trak collective, The Knux, will.i.am, Rich Boy, Timbaland, Wale, and Will Smith off of your list. Not only that, Death Row, Shady, Aftermath, Ruff Ryders all dropped a lot of records...

And....Diddy? Seriously? You really think Diddy cares about the genre? He's not raping and pillaging like the others?

Yeah Diddy leeched off of the genre and never really thought of it as more than a potential money source. Every time I think of Diddy I think of Jeru the Damaja's "One Day" off of Wrath of the Math.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 3:49 pm

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Maybe we should.

Oh, and you left Tupac (before Death Row), Bubba Sparxxx, the Ruff Ryders collective, Akinyele, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Foxy Brown, Black Eyed Peas, Lupe Fiasco, the Star Trak collective, The Knux, will.i.am, Rich Boy, Timbaland, Wale, and Will Smith off of your list. Not only that, Death Row, Shady, Aftermath, Ruff Ryders all dropped a lot of records...

And....Diddy? Seriously? You really think Diddy cares about the genre? He's not raping and pillaging like the others?

Diddy has lost his way for sure, but when he was with Uptown and when he created Bad Boy he had a vision to take hip hop to the next level. do you not think the love for hip hop is at Diddy's core? Cashing in on Making The Band is on some Jerry Heller type stuff, but i honestly think he had love for the genre when they were releasing Ready To Die and Project Funk Da World.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 3:53 pm

point being diddy is still dedicating himself to hip-hop even if for the wrong reasons. Had this been 1996 I would have given Jive the nod... but to me the label might as well have folded then because then at least we could have made the argument... now it has not been a hip-hop label for close to 15 years so I can't give it a nod...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 3:55 pm

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I think reputation thing is lame. it's the equivilant of voting no for "does this add to the discussion" feature on amazon. KJ doesn't deserve that.

For once you've said something today that I agree with!!

That shit is reminiscent of Amazon, and completely GAY!! Get rid of it, please!
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 4:02 pm

Kopasetick wrote:
Zol already did this in the other thread, but he left a couple of names off the list, so I looked through my collection and found...

Boogie Down Productions/KRS
UGK
Mystikal
Extra Prolific
Souls of Mischief
Fu-Schnickens
A Tribe Called Quest
Menace II Society Soundtrack
Shaquille O'Neal (lol...hey, it was rap)
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Schooly D
E-40
Whodini
B-Legit
Akinyele
Ant Banks
Too Short
Petey Pablo
Keith Murray
The Corruptor Soundtrack
Thug Life
The Click
D-Nice
Kool Moe Dee
Mobb Deep
Steady B
UTFO
Ms. Melodie

They did as much for rap as any label during their run. I'm inclined to agree with Slang here...

Yep, I co-sign Slang, Zol, and Norf. So why do I have to be ridiculed for mentioning Jive?

So what if they weren't "built for hip-hop". They have had many prominent MC's on the label. In fact, hip-hop dominated the label in the late 80's through the mid-90's. Up until the late 90's, Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince were the biggest selling artists in Jive history.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 4:04 pm

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Jive was known for Hip-Hop at one point, but they didn't start with the aim of being a Hip-Hop label, and since the late 90s they've moved away from Hip-Hop. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't even have any Hip-Hop artists left on their label. So, they're a record label that released Hip-Hop albums, not a Hip-Hop record label.

This is why KJ. They are not a hip hop label. they are a label who released a lot of hip hop at one time.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 4:16 pm

Jive at one time was one of the hip-hop labels..there is no doubt about this....have they been a hip-hop driven label over the last 10-15 years?? NO they have not but they where at one time one of the big boys in the game and they were a label that many hip-hop artists considered a big deal to be signed too!
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 4:26 pm

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I think reputation thing is lame. it's the equivilant of voting no for "does this add to the discussion" feature on amazon. KJ doesn't deserve that.

For once you've said something today that I agree with!!

That shit is reminiscent of Amazon, and completely GAY!! Get rid of it, please!

Yeah, i hate it. i tried to disable it.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 4:29 pm

Ah, didn't know we could disable it... I just saw it pop up one day and assumed we couldn't change it... honestly I think anyone who gets bothered by it so much is taking shit a little too seriously... it's not hurting anyone and a funny way to disagree with someone... but if the forum doesn't want it majority rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Wed 30 Dec 2009, 8:31 pm

Slang Editorial wrote:
in all honesty, who the fuck cares
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 12:44 am

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Ah, didn't know we could disable it... I just saw it pop up one day and assumed we couldn't change it... honestly I think anyone who gets bothered by it so much is taking shit a little too seriously... it's not hurting anyone and a funny way to disagree with someone... but if the forum doesn't want it majority rules.

Agreed. I thought the shit was really funny...

Who is in the majority, though? I'd like to see it back. You know, for laughing purposes.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 12:53 am

Pretty sure KJ had the best rep

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 1:16 am

Jive is a music label...hip-hop, rock, etc. Not a specific genre.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 1:34 am

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 1:41 am

This is how I look at shit, and why I often question people's dedication to hip hop culture:

If Drake makes 3 rap records, then spends the next 15 years putting out an album a year without a single rapped verse on them is he a rapper? If he's not repping for hip hop and not making hip hop, how THE FUCK IS HE HIP HOP? So, how is a label hip hop if they're not repping hip hop and not producing hip hop? SERIOUSLY? Look at Papa Roach, they're a metal band that made one rap metal record and now just makes straight forward heavy metal stuff. Would you claim them as hip hop? Fuck no. HOW IS JIVE ANY DIFFERENT? If they want to profit and capatalize off the culture, fine, as long as they're not making it into a mockery (oh wait, they did that shit too), but lots of people make money off of rap music, but that doesn't make them a part of the culture. How the fuck is this confusing? As for Slang's plainitive defense of his position, that's fine on the surface, but TO ME that speaks volumes of how people feel about this culture nowadays. We're not talkin about just a form of music (to me, at least), we're talking about a culture and a lifestyle.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 2:06 am

Jive was a hip-hop umbrella just like Interscope. They're a generic label but with no hip-hop center.
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 2:08 am

TheHazardous wrote:
Jive was a hip-hop umbrella just like Interscope. They're a generic label but with no hip-hop center.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 2:53 am

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Ah, didn't know we could disable it... I just saw it pop up one day and assumed we couldn't change it... honestly I think anyone who gets bothered by it so much is taking shit a little too seriously... it's not hurting anyone and a funny way to disagree with someone... but if the forum doesn't want it majority rules.

Agreed. I thought the shit was really funny...

Who is in the majority, though? I'd like to see it back. You know, for laughing purposes.

just a question...what the hell are we talking about??
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 3:21 am

The little plus/minus button on the right that builds or destroys your reputation number...
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 11:43 am

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The little plus/minus button on the right that builds or destroys your reputation number...

oh thats weird this is the first time its ever shown up....ive never seen the Reputation number under the names before..
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 11:45 am

Linker just enabled it a few nights ago.

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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 11:57 am

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That shit is completely gay
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PostSubject: Re: Is Jive a hip hop record label?   Thu 31 Dec 2009, 6:53 pm

Kopasetick wrote:
Zol already did this in the other thread, but he left a couple of names off the list, so I looked through my collection and found...

Boogie Down Productions/KRS
UGK
Mystikal
Extra Prolific
Souls of Mischief
Fu-Schnickens
A Tribe Called Quest
Menace II Society Soundtrack
Shaquille O'Neal (lol...hey, it was rap)
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Schooly D
E-40
Whodini
B-Legit
Akinyele
Ant Banks
Too Short
Petey Pablo
Keith Murray
The Corruptor Soundtrack
Thug Life
The Click
D-Nice
Kool Moe Dee
Mobb Deep
Steady B
UTFO
Ms. Melodie

They did as much for rap as any label during their run. I'm inclined to agree with Slang here...

I think you just about covered everything Norf, but forgot one of the most important ones... Spice 1!
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