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PostSubject: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 9:37 am

What would be your parameters for getting in?
What would be the reason to keep someone out (you can't get into the Baseball Hall of Fame using steroids)?
Who would be your top candidates for getting in and why?
What figures do you feel would ultimately ended being debated?
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 11:20 am

What would be your parameters for getting in?
One or all of the follwoing would have to be involved in a major way imo
Impact/Influence
Discography
Sales
Longevity
Lyrical/Rap skills

What would be the reason to keep someone out (you can't get into the Baseball Hall of Fame using steroids)?
Short career or one hit wonder
No classic albums

Who would be your top candidates for getting in and why?
That list is to long to list but the usual suspects like:
RunDMC (impact/sales)
Pac (influence/impact and lyrics)
KRS (lyrics/rap skills and longevity)
Rakim (influence/lyrics)
Nas (lyrics/rap skills and influence)
Jay-Z (sales, impact, and rap skills)
Face (influence, discography, lyrics)
Cube (lyrics/rap skills and influence)
NWA (impact, influence, sales)
Snoop (influence, sales, longevity)
Eminem (impact, lyrics, and sales)

What figures do you feel would ultimately ended being debated?
The ones who only have rap /lyrical skill to stand on. Its heard to debate rhyme skills since its so opinionated.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 11:35 am

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What would be your parameters for getting in?
One or all of the follwoing would have to be involved in a major way imo
Impact/Influence
Discography
Sales
Longevity
Lyrical/Rap skills

What would be the reason to keep someone out (you can't get into the Baseball Hall of Fame using steroids)?
Short career or one hit wonder
No classic albums

Who would be your top candidates for getting in and why?
That list is to long to list but the usual suspects like:
RunDMC (impact/sales)
Pac (influence/impact and lyrics)
KRS (lyrics/rap skills and longevity)
Rakim (influence/lyrics)
Nas (lyrics/rap skills and influence)
Jay-Z (sales, impact, and rap skills)
Face (influence, discography, lyrics)
Cube (lyrics/rap skills and influence)
NWA (impact, influence, sales)
Snoop (influence, sales, longevity)
Eminem (impact, lyrics, and sales)

What figures do you feel would ultimately ended being debated?
The ones who only have rap /lyrical skill to stand on. Its heard to debate rhyme skills since its so opinionated.

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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 12:24 pm

top candidates to get in (off the dome) would be: in no particular order

Run-D.M.C.
LL Cool J
Nas
Jay-Z
Scarface
Tupac
Biggie Smalls
Ice Cube/NWA(Dr.Dre)
Brand Nubian
Ultramagnetic MC's
Gangstarr
A Tribe Called Quest
Outkast
Heavy D and The Boyz
The Fat Boys
Schoolly D
Ice-T
KRS-One
Public Enemy
Kool G Rap
Rakim
Marley Marl
DJ Premier
Teddy Riley
Dilla
Pete Rock(as a producer)
Pete Rock and CL Smooth
Eminem
DJ Quik
Master P
Diddy
Jermaine Dupri
Goodie Mob
Wu-Tang Clan
2 Live Crew
MC Lyte
Salt-N-Pepa
Kool Moe Dee
Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
Afrika Bambaataa
Kool Herc
Cold Crush Brothers
Busy Bee
Kurtis Blow
Big Daddy Kane
The Roots
UGK
EPMD
Das Efx
Redman
Onyx
Snoop Dogg
Common
Nelly
DMX
Busta Rhymes


If I was going to start a hip-hop hall of fame these heads up above would be my start to any hall of fame

Why? because they've impacted or changed the course of hip-hop in some way, shape or form...they are hip-hop IN MY OPINION...meaning the foundation of what is hip-hop IN MY OPINION....of course there are others that should be in any hip-hop hall of fame, but again these heads would be in any hip-hop hall of fame for me FIRST...with many more to follow!
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 1:51 pm

I don't think the Ultramagnetics belong in the hall of fame. They only have one critically acclaimed album.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 2:08 pm

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I don't think the Ultramagnetics belong in the hall of fame. They only have one critically acclaimed album.



They belong there because of that one album and also Ced Gee's production work on it and Criminal Minded

that along with Kool Keith whose bizarre antics were extremely different to anything ever seen or talked about IN MY OPINION..they belong in my own personal hip-hop hall of fame easily...


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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 4:01 pm

Oh your personal hall of fame well that makes sense. I just could not see them in a public hall of fame. I know that album is considered innovative but did it really impact hip hop that hard?
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 4:29 pm

I agree with everyone Powell listed except Nelly
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 4:38 pm

heads that I forgot that should be first ballot hall of famers would also be:

Jazzy Jay
Rick Rubin
Russell Simmons
De La Soul
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 4:41 pm

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Oh your personal hall of fame well that makes sense. I just could not see them in a public hall of fame. I know that album is considered innovative but did it really impact hip hop that hard?


Yeah Kev it hit pretty hard man...especially in it's innovative samples...and as I already said Ced's work on Criminal Minded (one of the finest moments in hip-hop history IMO) makes him and this group first ballot for me...when you throw in Kool Keith who has impacted hip-hop as well..then to me it's a no brainer man
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Wed 20 Jan 2010, 11:49 pm

Okay DP, who wouldn't make it and why?

And Kev what if that one hit wonder made a single classic track but that was it?
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 11:02 am

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Okay DP, who wouldn't make it and why?

And Kev what if that one hit wonder made a single classic track but that was it?

Yeah that would be good when discussing the best singles in hip hop or a hip hop single hall of fame but overall hell naw. Now if that one single changed the scope of music like say a Little Richard, Chuck Berry, James Brown or someone like that then maybe but if it was just a hit nope.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 12:52 pm

I agree with Powell. Ultramagnetic MC's need to be in the hall of fame, even if Critical Beatdown is their only album that is regarded as classic. The rest of their career was solid, and they introduced the world to Kool Keith. And Critical Beatdown is just so impressive, they get in on that album alone.

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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 1:37 pm

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I agree with Powell. Ultramagnetic MC's need to be in the hall of fame, even if Critical Beatdown is their only album that is regarded as classic. The rest of their career was solid, and they introduced the world to Kool Keith. And Critical Beatdown is just so impressive, they get in on that album alone.

Thats Bullshit. Well that means a lot of other rappers should get in for one bomb album. Ganksta NIP changed the face of horrorcore with his debut album that even made billboard with some very controversal lyrics. No one was doing horrorcore on that level until he came out. So is he hall of fame?

Sugarhill Gang? T La Rock? DJ Magic Mike? 2 Live Crew? Blu & Exile?
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 1:46 pm

Good looks on Nelly, Ultramagnetic and Jermaine Dupri, Powell.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 2:13 pm

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Kendrick Davis wrote:
I agree with Powell. Ultramagnetic MC's need to be in the hall of fame, even if Critical Beatdown is their only album that is regarded as classic. The rest of their career was solid, and they introduced the world to Kool Keith. And Critical Beatdown is just so impressive, they get in on that album alone.

Thats Bullshit. Well that means a lot of other rappers should get in for one bomb album. Ganksta NIP changed the face of horrorcore with his debut album that even made billboard with some very controversal lyrics. No one was doing horrorcore on that level until he came out. So is he hall of fame?

Sugarhill Gang? T La Rock? DJ Magic Mike? 2 Live Crew? Blu & Exile?


You know what Kev, thanks for reminding me about the Sugarhill Gang because that is another first ballot hall of fame group man...as for Ultra I already explained to you why I think they should be in...and it's not only because of Critical Beatdown..it's because of that..it's because of Ced's production work..and it's because of Kool Keith who influenced many emcees...IN MY OPINION they have the credentials easily man....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramagnetic_MCs

Read that again man!...they have the goods to get in man...now IN MY OPINION..T La Rock...Blu And Exile...DJ Magic Mike do not have enough to get in...I already included The 2 Live Crew..they would get in on my ballot...they basically created Bass Music and Luke's influence is pretty large..so they should be in easily too IN MY OPINION!
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 2:32 pm

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KRob86 wrote:
Kendrick Davis wrote:
I agree with Powell. Ultramagnetic MC's need to be in the hall of fame, even if Critical Beatdown is their only album that is regarded as classic. The rest of their career was solid, and they introduced the world to Kool Keith. And Critical Beatdown is just so impressive, they get in on that album alone.

Thats Bullshit. Well that means a lot of other rappers should get in for one bomb album. Ganksta NIP changed the face of horrorcore with his debut album that even made billboard with some very controversal lyrics. No one was doing horrorcore on that level until he came out. So is he hall of fame?

Sugarhill Gang? T La Rock? DJ Magic Mike? 2 Live Crew? Blu & Exile?


You know what Kev, thanks for reminding me about the Sugarhill Gang because that is another first ballot hall of fame group man...as for Ultra I already explained to you why I think they should be in...and it's not only because of Critical Beatdown..it's because of that..it's because of Ced's production work..and it's because of Kool Keith who influenced many emcees...IN MY OPINION they have the credentials easily man....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramagnetic_MCs

Read that again man!...they have the goods to get in man...now IN MY OPINION..T La Rock...Blu And Exile...DJ Magic Mike do not have enough to get in...I already included The 2 Live Crew..they would get in on my ballot...they basically created Bass Music and Luke's influence is pretty large..so they should be in easily too IN MY OPINION!

I completely co-sign! Ultra deserves to get in and Kool Keith was hella influential.

The Fugees deserve to get in as well. Despite what the haters in this forum think, they have made a tremendous impact on the rap game, The Score is classic as well as solos by Lauyrn and Wyclef, and people even to this day are feenin for a reunion. So I say The Fugees should be inducted.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 2:57 pm

Ultramag is easily first ballot
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 4:14 pm

Well if I had to vote I would be the one neither for them because they are average at best as a whole imo. Now I do respect Kool Keiths legacy and I know he's a trailblazer on the undaground circuit and one of the most creative album making cats in hip hop. He would make it on longevity and influence maybe.

Sugarhill Gang is a very debatable one imo but since they had such a major major impact with that one damn song it may be to hard to ignore.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 4:32 pm

Some that also consider a mention are Poor Righteous Teachers and Del. Agree with most of the other mentions here. As far as criteria I base it mostly on quality of albums/replay value/originality.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 4:36 pm

the fact that no ones mentioend Mobb Deep is pretty bad
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 4:42 pm

Here is my problem with theory's about Ultramagnetic MC's. I really have no opinion one way or another since i've only heard Critical Beatdown, but putting them in the hall of fame cause of what Kool Keith and Ced Gee have done separate from the group doesn't seem fair IMO. For instance, it would be similar to saying The Gravediggaz should be in the hall of fame because of everything RZA and Prince Paul have done. You may be able to justify them individually, but putting in the whole group may be pushing it. Like i said, i have no opinion one way or another on the group, but based on the credentials being put out there, that would be my opinion.

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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 5:23 pm

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the fact that no ones mentioend Mobb Deep is pretty bad

Oh, they definitely deserve it too. They're one of my Top 10-15 fav groups.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 6:08 pm

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the fact that no ones mentioend Mobb Deep is pretty bad



LOL..absolutely right Slang...first ballot in the blink of an eye IMO
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 6:37 pm

"Thats Bullshit. Well that means a lot of other rappers should get in for one bomb album. Ganksta NIP changed the face of horrorcore with his debut album that even made billboard with some very controversal lyrics. No one was doing horrorcore on that level until he came out. So is he hall of fame?"

Why wouldn't NIP been in the Hall of Fame. Horrocore is one of the many sub-genres of Hip-Hop.

The Horrorcore section should include Esham, Necro, Insane Poetry, Flatlinerz and ICP as well. Geto Boys would deserve some recognition too although they did more than just Horrorcore.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 6:56 pm

Ultramag should be in because they dropped a classic. Would you give them the same exhibit space as Public Enemy, no. But they should be on the wall.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Thu 21 Jan 2010, 9:12 pm

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Ultramag should be in because they dropped a classic. Would you give them the same exhibit space as Public Enemy, no. But they should be on the wall.

Is that really a vaild reason? Did you just really say they dropped a classic? Well that sure in hell opens the floodgates.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 3:05 am

Critical Beatdown is on par especially influence and quality wise with albums such as It Takes a Nation, and Criminal Minded, that album just cant be ignored
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 10:11 am

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Critical Beatdown is on par especially influence and quality wise with albums such as It Takes a Nation, and Criminal Minded, that album just cant be ignored

I wouldn't go THAT far, but I do agree that it's a slam dunk classic and it can't be ignored.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 10:46 am

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Critical Beatdown is on par especially influence and quality wise with albums such as It Takes a Nation, and Criminal Minded, that album just cant be ignored

Slang get outta here with that. I know you probably read that somewhere but don't believe the hype. Nobody on the grand scale of things talks about that album in the same breath as those you mentioned. You need to reevaluate that thought process.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 11:01 am

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Critical Beatdown is on par especially influence and quality wise with albums such as It Takes a Nation, and Criminal Minded, that album just cant be ignored


He's actually not that far off in this accessment IMO...while I don't think it's on par with those albums it's not to far below those measuring sticks IMO

Kev, I already know you are not the biggest Ultra fan in the world....I guess the way you feel about them is how I feel about Willie "Damn" Dee and those Geto Boys (minus 'Face)...for me The Geto Boys are not first ballot hall of famers and it's mainly because I can't stand them as a group and we already know the reasons why..lol

for me it's Ultra>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Geto Boys all damn day..lol

so I feel you with being against Ultra man..it's all good!
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 11:22 am

Well I don't dislike or like Ultra, to me they are a average grp that I really never put any thought into. But I just can't see hall of fame for them as a grp, I can see hall of fame for that album if we were talking top classicalbums of all time but for he grp hell no. They did nothing even a tad near the level of Critical Beatdown and Kool Keith is the break out star of the collective. So Kool Keith should be the one being debated imo not the grp.

Plus Willie D murdas every mc in Ultra Mag to me but you already know that..lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 12:53 pm

what??? Willie D cant even see Kool Keith
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 1:14 pm

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Plus Willie D murdas every mc in Ultra Mag to me but you already know that..lol.



Willie D ain't fuckin with ANYBODY in Ultra
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PostSubject: Re: Hip-Hop Hall of Fame   Fri 22 Jan 2010, 2:04 pm

The Geto Boys spot is engraved in stone! If they didn't get in that would be a travesty of EPIC proportions.

"But I just can't see hall of fame for them as a grp, I can see hall of fame for that album if we were talking top classicalbums of all time but for he grp hell no."

Now we're getting into semantics. The album deserves to be in there.

Just think about your average museum and the myriad of exhibits that many haven't heard of but someone saw what they did as noteworthy.
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