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PostSubject: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:06 am

Who are they? Can you even think of ten rappers that are true lyrical genius?
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:18 am

Del is the first that comes to mind. Few can rival his expanded vocabulary.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:20 am

Not in any particular order

Rakim
Nas
Black Thought
KRS-One
Biggie
Big Daddy Kane
Kool G Rap
Eminem
Andre 3000
GZA
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 3:02 am

Take KRS off of that list. Please.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 3:06 am

And Rakim, replace him with MC Serch
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 3:12 am

smh. Rakim can stay, KRS doesn't belong there.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 3:23 am

Naw. Replace Biggie with Kid Cudi
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:08 am

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Take KRS off of that list. Please.

I was gonna say the same thing last night, but i deemed it not worth the hassle. KRS released an album on the east coast in the 80's, and that is a FACT. Therefore he has to be a lyrical genius.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 8:57 am

LOL @ this thread....you need a little clarification huh Kev?? no problem man here's my list

In NO particular order:

Biggie
Nas
Kool Moe Dee
Rakim
Kool G Rap
LL Cool J
Jay-Z
Big Daddy Kane
Melle Mel
Big Pun


these are NOT my top 10 emcees of all-time (although a few of them do appear here too), but I would say that these are my top 10 "lyrical geniuses"


the way these guys flip words and flows is ridiculous IN MY OPINION....and there's a few more where they came from and NO I'm not removing anyone from MY list to appease anyone here...if my list doesn't suit your tastes then I think you should list YOUR top "lyrical geniuses" just like I did!

Just for the record my top 10 emcees of all-time goes like this:

IN ORDER:

1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Biggie
4. Nas
5. LL Cool J
6. Big Daddy Kane
7. Jay-Z
8. Kool G Rap
9. Ice Cube
10. Chuck D


now that's my top 10 of all-time which is obviously a little different from my top 10 "lyrical geniuses" of all-time...
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:54 am

I love LL just as much as anyone on here with the exception of Powell, but i wouldn't put him in the lyrical genius category.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 9:57 am

Just off the top of my head some of my fav's are

GZA
Pharoahe Monch
Andre 3000
Kool G Rap
Jay-Z

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:04 am

flow has nothing to do with lyrical genius imo.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:11 am

Hmmm...some of these choices are suspect as hell imo. LL Cool J? Kool Moe Dee? Rakim? Biggie? KRS One? I don't know. Jay Z and Kane I am still thinking on that one. But I could see them before the others.

Here's who I got:

K Rino
Nas
Pharoahe Monche
Pac
Killah Priest
Andre 3000
Eminem
Talib Kweli
Ghostface Killah
GZA

Honorable mention
Kane
Jay-Z
Ras Kass
Canibus
Melle Mel
Scarface
Kool G Rap
Black Thought

Like i said there are not many.


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:11 am

Oh, i'd like to add K-Rino to my list and i don't care who has a problem with it.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:15 am

You know Kev, Jay-Z is probably borderline, but he's in my top 10 off all time so i threw him on there. I wouldn't gripe too much if people objected to him though.

Another dude who deserves a mention is Tech N9ne. People can complain all they want, but Tech has plenty of lyrical skills

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:16 am

Anyone that doesn't think Cool J is a "lyrical genius" doesn't know lyrics IN MY OPINION

he easily makes many hip-hop heads lists...I'm not just talking about myself when I say that my dudes..
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:18 am

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Hmmm...some of these choices are suspect as hell imo. LL Cool J? Kool Moe Dee? Rakim? Biggie? KRS One? I don't know. Jay Z and Kane I am still thinking on that one. But I could see them before the others.

Here's who I got:

K Rino
Nas
Pharoahe Monche
Pac
Killah Priest
Andre 3000
Enimem
Talib Kweli
Ghostface Killah
GZA

Honorable mention
Kane
Jay-Z
Ras Kass
Canibus
Melle Mel
Scarface
Kool G Rap
Black Thought

Like i said there are not many.


Kev your questioning Cool J, Biggie, Kool Moe Dee but your adding Pac and Talib and 'Face to your lists and honorable mentions lists...so obviously this all boils down to opinions...because none of those 3 would get near my top 20 for lyrical geniuses....IN MY OPINION!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:22 am

Whoa, there is no question i like LL more than Kweli(although Kweli is in my top 20), but based only on lyricism, Kweli smothers LL like some Waffle House hash browns. C'Mon Powell. I really don't see how you take offense to LL but not KRS. I think they are more similar lyrically than people would realize.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:23 am

I can see Biggie a tad but he was cut short on us so its hard to include him on that level based off two albums. LL is a lyricist no doubt but once again genius? I don't see it. Kool Moe Dee and Rakim the same.

And I did not include Face in the top 10 for that reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 10:25 am

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flow has nothing to do with lyrical genius imo.



Flow adds to it IN MY OPINION otherwise heads like GZA, K-Rino, Eminem, Canibus and a few others would be in my top ten lyrical geniuses of all-time but their flows are killing them IN MY OPINION...that's a major factor for them being left off of my list for top 10 IN MY OPINION...they may have lyrics but their flows with those lyrics holds them off of my own personal list
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:08 am

Powell Em has flow for days so I don't see how you do not include him with your theory. KRino flows betta than most give him credit for including myself in the past. But I agree about Gza and Canibus flow though.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:29 am

Wow, the definition of "genius" really gets thrown around here. Ridiculous. What record did Notorious BIG or KRS One make that any other mc couldn't make? Seriously?

Jay-Z has some clever lines and has made concept records that are really creative. The same could be said for Nas, Eminem and a select few mentioned n here. Rakim has lyrics, no question about that. But the fact of the matter is that he's more revered for his FLOW than his lyrics AND what concept record has dude made that 10 other mc's couldn't have made? Period. There is nothing "genius" about anything Tupac ever made. Period. LL Cool J is laughable.

K Rino
Chino XL
Rass Kass
Sage Francis
Ghostface Killah
Immortal Technique
Pharoahe Monch
Gza
Andre 3000
Killah Priest
Eminem
Jay-Z
Nas
Aesop Rock

See how there are dudes up there who's music I don't really even like? Because I'm recognizing GENIUS. And the truth of the matter is, Paul Barman is probably a lyrical genius because the dude wrote an entire verse in palindrone. Again, more ridiculous bias at work here.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:34 am

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Whoa, there is no question i like LL more than Kweli(although Kweli is in my top 20), but based only on lyricism, Kweli smothers LL like some Waffle House hash browns. C'Mon Powell. I really don't see how you take offense to LL but not KRS. I think they are more similar lyrically than people would realize.


Kweli is nice lyrically but IN MY OPINION he ain't that nice and certainly not to the point that you just said Terry because if that is the case then he would be smothering Kris as well according to your theory and I certainly don't believe that too be true....









even over Wayne's shit better than him....lol




When Talib can spit like this then maybe I'll start thinking about him just a little bit man...he is no where near Cool J's level IN MY OPINION...as far as Kris and Cool J well IN MY OPINION they have two totally different styles...but both are battle styled emcees and both can spit FIRE and both would cover Talib in SHIT again in my opinion!

Kris just barely misses my top ten lyrical genuises...he's probably number 11, so he's just about there!


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:37 am

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Wow, the definition of "genius" really gets thrown around here. Ridiculous. What record did Notorious BIG or KRS One make that any other mc couldn't make? Seriously?

Jay-Z has some clever lines and has made concept records that are really creative. The same could be said for Nas, Eminem and a select few mentioned n here. Rakim has lyrics, no question about that. But the fact of the matter is that he's more revered for his FLOW than his lyrics AND what concept record has dude made that 10 other mc's couldn't have made? Period. There is nothing "genius" about anything Tupac ever made. Period. LL Cool J is laughable.

K Rino
Chino XL
Rass Kass
Sage Francis
Ghostface Killah
Immortal Technique
Pharoahe Monch
Gza
Andre 3000
Killah Priest
Eminem
Jay-Z
Nas
Aesop Rock

See how there are dudes up there who's music I don't really even like? Because I'm recognizing GENIUS. And the truth of the matter is, Paul Barman is probably a lyrical genius because the dude wrote an entire verse in palindrone. Again, more ridiculous bias at work here.


This is all based on OPINION Jeffrey...is my opinion laughable my dude?? it sounds like your saying that so I'm asking are you?? I just want to make sure what I'm reading from you is what I'm actually reading before I have to go into crack on Jeffrey for the 1 millionth time mode again...lol...explain in detail my dude!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:42 am

C'mon Powell. we got KRS rhyming "minded" with "blinded", "dang" with "bang". We got LL rhyming "can" with "man" with "sand". That's a lot different than the stuff Rakim was spitting back then or what Kweli is spitting now

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:48 am

See, intelligence, like skill, isn't really an opinion. So yeah, what you said is laughable. Not a single one of your mc's has written something with every rhyme being a homophone (like Chino XL), and not one of them has written something entirely in before and after (like Sage Francis) and I could go on. I bet half of them don't know the difference between metaphor and simile. Most of them barely use anything over a 10th grade vocabulary (although obviously artists like Nas, Jay-Z, etc are more intelligent than they sometimes let people think based purely on their songs). The ability to write a plain spoken story, or complex rhyme schemes, does make them a high caliber mc, but AGAIN you're entirely out of place with what words mean. Lyrical genius implies a level of intelligence not often seen (ie GENIUS) and the guys you mentioned don't have anything special in terms of INTELLIGENCE.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:48 am

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C'mon Powell. we got KRS rhyming "minded" with "blinded", "dang" with "bang". We got LL rhyming "can" with "man" with "sand". That's a lot different than the stuff Rakim was spitting back then or what Kweli is spitting now

Co sign. and now I think you are seeing what i'm saying.

Jeff Pac was a lyrical genius because of the way he wrote about emotions and social mental health. The man lyrics are being studied in some colleges right now, so what does that tell you. Books have been written on his lyricism and what it stood for. Same with Nas.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:50 am

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C'mon Powell. we got KRS rhyming "minded" with "blinded", "dang" with "bang". We got LL rhyming "can" with "man" with "sand". That's a lot different than the stuff Rakim was spitting back then or what Kweli is spitting now

Umm Terry go re-visit my dude you sound a bit confused! Cool J was throwing together far more complex sentences then that...LMAO!!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:53 am

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See, intelligence, like skill, isn't really an opinion. So yeah, what you said is laughable. Not a single one of your mc's has written something with every rhyme being a homophone (like Chino XL), and not one of them has written something entirely in before and after (like Sage Francis) and I could go on. I bet half of them don't know the difference between metaphor and simile. Most of them barely use anything over a 10th grade vocabulary (although obviously artists like Nas, Jay-Z, etc are more intelligent than they sometimes let people think based purely on their songs). The ability to write a plain spoken story, or complex rhyme schemes, does make them a high caliber mc, but AGAIN you're entirely out of place with what words mean. Lyrical genius implies a level of intelligence not often seen (ie GENIUS) and the guys you mentioned don't have anything special in terms of INTELLIGENCE.



So now Jeffrey is smarter than everybody I guess is what he is trying to sell us today...the cook from Iowa has the INTELLIGENCE of a doctor...(I guess)...yo Jeff you are actually one of the most NON hip-hop knowing cats on this entire forum man...I've felt this way for awhile now but this proves your ignorance....just dumb man...go to the corner my dude and put on the big hat man...your hip-hop knowledge IN MY OPINION is 0+0 and we both know what that shit equals right??


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 11:58 am











Doesn't sound like cat with hat or rat with bat to me....lol


it sounds pretty damn lyrical to me...not sure how much wax build up is occuring in those ears but get a Q-Tip...again IN MY OPINION!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:01 pm

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C'mon Powell. we got KRS rhyming "minded" with "blinded", "dang" with "bang". We got LL rhyming "can" with "man" with "sand". That's a lot different than the stuff Rakim was spitting back then or what Kweli is spitting now

Umm Terry go re-visit my dude you sound a bit confused! Cool J was throwing together far more complex sentences then that...LMAO!!

Revisit what? I'm every bit as familiar with LL as anyone else on this forum. The level of lyricla skill you talk about is not there with LL. I love the dude. He's in my top 10 for a reason, but i can go up and down his discography and not see more than an occasional glipmse into the lyrical genius you speak of. Is it on Around The Way Girl? Doin It? Mama Said Knock You Out? Boomin System? Rock The Bells? I'm Bad? The Ripper Strikes Back? Big Ole Butt?

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:03 pm

Yeah, Powell, you're an idiot, and that is FACT, man. PROVE IT OTHERWISE. Oh, wait, if you do I just won't listen because I've got LL Cool J's man juice clogging up my brain. NYC IS THE GREATEST AND THE PROOF IS THAT IT'S THE GREATEST. 0+0 equals 0, I know genius when I hear it!!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:07 pm

Oh, i have no idea what videos you're posting so if you don't mind letting me know what they are, i'd appreciate it.

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:11 pm

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Yeah, Powell, you're an idiot, and that is FACT, man. PROVE IT OTHERWISE. Oh, wait, if you do I just won't listen because I've got LL Cool J's man juice clogging up my brain. NYC IS THE GREATEST AND THE PROOF IS THAT IT'S THE GREATEST. 0+0 equals 0, I know genius when I hear it!!


this minimum wage earner is still upset about something I said about 2 months ago...what a fuckin chick

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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:13 pm

In no order:

Nas
Jay-Z
Scarface
The Notorious B.I.G.
Rakim
Kool G. Rap
Big Daddy Kane
GZA
Redman
Ghostface Killah

This list *may* change.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:15 pm

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C'mon Powell. we got KRS rhyming "minded" with "blinded", "dang" with "bang". We got LL rhyming "can" with "man" with "sand". That's a lot different than the stuff Rakim was spitting back then or what Kweli is spitting now

Umm Terry go re-visit my dude you sound a bit confused! Cool J was throwing together far more complex sentences then that...LMAO!!

Revisit what? I'm every bit as familiar with LL as anyone else on this forum. The level of lyricla skill you talk about is not there with LL. I love the dude. He's in my top 10 for a reason, but i can go up and down his discography and not see more than an occasional glipmse into the lyrical genius you speak of. Is it on Around The Way Girl? Doin It? Mama Said Knock You Out? Boomin System? Rock The Bells? I'm Bad? The Ripper Strikes Back? Big Ole Butt?



It's there Terry...just check out the few examples I threw at you on those vids when you get home man...and there's more where that came from too...those records you just named are Cool J's hits and we know what hits are right?? the stuff I'm talking about is Cool J actually spitting and meaning it....real shit from him...some of the main reasons why he's in my top ten...not for those hits you just named but the other stuff I know about and love from him....dude was serious with it....check out those vids man!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:27 pm

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Take KRS off of that list. Please.

He wasn't a complex lyricist, but he was a dope lyricist and one of the best that ever did it.

Put your own list up or STFU.

And Linker, you're a idiot, Rakim is EASILY a lyrical genius.


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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:27 pm

No, Powell, you act like a child, I react like a child, it's apparently the only language you understand. I engage you with a conversation worthy of an adult, and you simply have no retorts. So you give FACTS, you get FACTS, ma. HA HA. Get change your diaper, you elitist. Also, notice you're the one that always makes these interactions personal, also making you quite immature.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:32 pm

Jeff, I don't think LL is a lyrical genius either but Aesop Rock???? C'Mon Son! He's super laughable! GTFOH with that bullshit.

If you wanted to go with a white guy besides Em, you should have picked Brother Ali.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:33 pm

Sage Francis is white. And again, obviously there's a disconnect here as to the interepretation of the word "genius".
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:39 pm

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No, Powell, you act like a child, I react like a child, it's apparently the only language you understand. I engage you with a conversation worthy of an adult, and you simply have no retorts. So you give FACTS, you get FACTS, ma. HA HA. Get change your diaper, you elitist. Also, notice you're the one that always makes these interactions personal, also making you quite immature.

As I said earlier little girl this is all based on opinion...but you thought my opinion as well as some others was funny and what I think is really is funny is your 24 years old...you live in Iowa...your a "cook" at McDonald's and your W-2 showed you earned the grand total of 6,000 before taxes last year...this is some funny shit fruitcake.....
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:54 pm

Redman is no where near a lyrical genius imo. Matter of fact he is not one of the best lyricists imo either. He is an entertainer/rapper that shows signs of extremely dope lyricism here and there.

What about Method Man?
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:54 pm

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Sage Francis is white. And again, obviously there's a disconnect here as to the interepretation of the word "genius".

I'm not all that familiar with Sage so I can't judge him. But Aesop (who I am familiar with) is NOT a lyrical genius.

Genius to me means brilliant. A brilliant MC is one who consistently drops clever lines, tells great stories, and sounds dope consistently.

Complex vocabulary, while noteworthy is overrated IMO because everybody who has complex vocab isn't always engaging on the mic. Chino XL while dope at times can be boring as hell at other times and doesn't consistently make dope records.

KRS is a lyrical genius IMO not because of his vocab, but because of his subject matter and being the best battle rapper of all time. People call him the teacher for a reason. He's the EF Hutton of hip hop, when he talks, REAL HIP HOP HEADS listen.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:57 pm

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N3R0 wrote:
Sage Francis is white. And again, obviously there's a disconnect here as to the interepretation of the word "genius".

I'm not all that familiar with Sage so I can't judge him. But Aesop (who I am familiar with) is NOT a lyrical genius.

Genius to me means brilliant. A brilliant MC is one who consistently drops clever lines, tells great stories, and sounds dope consistently.

Complex vocabulary, while noteworthy is overrated IMO because everybody who has complex vocab isn't always engaging on the mic. Chino XL while dope at times can be boring as hell at other times and doesn't consistently make dope records.

KRS is a lyrical genius IMO not because of his vocab, but because of his subject matter and being the best battle rapper of all time. People call him the teacher for a reason. He's the EF Hutton of hip hop, when he talks, REAL HIP HOP HEADS listen.

KJ, that's your definition and that's fine, I have no problem with your picks with those criteria because that's respectable. I'm saying, even if I don't dig a guy's music, if he's SMART then he's more of a lyrical genius than guys I do enjoy by "lyrical genius". That's what I think of. This is where shit gets misconstrued!
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 12:58 pm

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Redman is no where near a lyrical genius imo. Matter of fact he is not one of the best lyricists imo either. He is an entertainer/rapper that shows signs of extremely dope lyricism here and there.

What about Method Man?

I think Red is better than Meth personally. While they both drop dope lines, I wouldn't call either of them lyrical geniuses personally.

Inspectah Deck is most definitely a lyrical genius.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 1:03 pm

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KJ Styles wrote:
N3R0 wrote:
Sage Francis is white. And again, obviously there's a disconnect here as to the interepretation of the word "genius".

I'm not all that familiar with Sage so I can't judge him. But Aesop (who I am familiar with) is NOT a lyrical genius.

Genius to me means brilliant. A brilliant MC is one who consistently drops clever lines, tells great stories, and sounds dope consistently.

Complex vocabulary, while noteworthy is overrated IMO because everybody who has complex vocab isn't always engaging on the mic. Chino XL while dope at times can be boring as hell at other times and doesn't consistently make dope records.

KRS is a lyrical genius IMO not because of his vocab, but because of his subject matter and being the best battle rapper of all time. People call him the teacher for a reason. He's the EF Hutton of hip hop, when he talks, REAL HIP HOP HEADS listen.

KJ, that's your definition and that's fine, I have no problem with your picks with those criteria because that's respectable. I'm saying, even if I don't dig a guy's music, if he's SMART then he's more of a lyrical genius than guys I do enjoy by "lyrical genius". That's what I think of. This is where shit gets misconstrued!

I feel ya Jeff (no homo)

By your definition, other guys that could be called lyrical geniuses are Inspectah Deck, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Posdanous, OC, and Common (before he sold out).

Actually, by EITHER of our definitions they're lyrical geniuses.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 1:05 pm

Right. So we can agree on that.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 1:38 pm

I think people are confusing "My Top 10 Favorite Lyrical Rappers" with Lyrical Genius. IMO flow - which is HOW you deliver your rhymes - has nothing to do with your actual rhymes. Sure, being able to deliver your rhymes smoothly like Rakim makes his overall rhymes much more pleasant to the ear than say a Chino XL, who has a choppier, less pleasing rhyme style - but lyrically Chino XL trumps Rakim when it comes to actual lyrics.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 2:03 pm

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I think people are confusing "My Top 10 Favorite Lyrical Rappers" with Lyrical Genius. IMO flow - which is HOW you deliver your rhymes - has nothing to do with your actual rhymes. Sure, being able to deliver your rhymes smoothly like Rakim makes his overall rhymes much more pleasant to the ear than say a Chino XL, who has a choppier, less pleasing rhyme style - but lyrically Chino XL trumps Rakim when it comes to actual lyrics.

Exactly.
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PostSubject: Re: Top 10 Lyrical Genius   Thu 04 Feb 2010, 2:23 pm

"I think people are confusing "My Top 10 Favorite Lyrical Rappers" with Lyrical Genius. IMO flow - which is HOW you deliver your rhymes - has nothing to do with your actual rhymes. Sure, being able to deliver your rhymes smoothly like Rakim makes his overall rhymes much more pleasant to the ear than say a Chino XL, who has a choppier, less pleasing rhyme style - but lyrically Chino XL trumps Rakim when it comes to actual lyrics."

Which is what I've been saying. Seriously, KJ, please define lyrical genius for me, so I can see where you're coming from with KRS.

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