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PostSubject: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 7:21 pm

Check this video out:



He has an interesting point of view regarding the topic at hand. Any thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 7:37 pm

where do you find these geeky ass black people who waste time on the internets and you tube... no offense... but still.. seem to be running into a lot of them lately...

he didn't really say anything of substance... or build up to anything... oh well...
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 7:49 pm

Not sure how him being black matters at all, but I do agree that he didn't say much...
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 7:54 pm

cuz I've been running into geeky black people on youtube lately... in the big scheme of things it is of no consequence, but when I need to learn how to make a youtube video it was a geeky black person that sounded a lot like this guy who showed me. All the white people were talking gay shit like "lighting and video cameras"
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Tue 23 Feb 2010, 8:59 pm

He's right, southern rap is about beats. I can say the same of east coast shit sell off beats. But the Monsta Island Czars is a force were the lyricist stick out more than the beats
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 3:28 am

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He's right, southern rap is about beats. I can say the same of east coast shit sell off beats. But the Monsta Island Czars is a force were the lyricist stick out more than the beats

+1

Who cares if he's "geeky" (according to SRP's standards). Not all black people succumb to the streets, act "hood" or do hood things. Some of us choose to go to college and do stuff outside the "hood", and not all of us fit the stereotype. There are all kinds of black folks out there. Who you run into depends on who you choose to keep company with. There are nerds in the hood. You just don't see them too often.

Sure, he didn't say much, he was just making an observation. Does anybody have anything to add to it or build on it?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 3:30 am

Black people who go to college and anything A. Scott said= Geeky

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 3:35 am

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Black people who go to college and anything A. Scott said= Geeky

Which is very sad, and says a whole lot about how "blackness" is perceived by blacks and people of other races. Believe it or not, there are some "hood nerds" out there. I should know. I happen to be one and embrace all of my nerdiness. Big Grin
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 3:41 am

Lol, indeed. I was just kidding with that statement, by the way. I'm just real intoxicated and bored.

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 10:39 am

Since when did "nerd" become a naughty word?

I myself have called myself a nerd for like...the past 15 years. I am what I am.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sat 27 Feb 2010, 11:43 am

I know plenty of black people who went to college and yet don't speak as if they have a pocket protector up their ass.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 12:21 am

Being a nerd myself I know where Scott is coming from. Somewhere along the line it became bad to be intelligent. I think this reflects this drug era. There are plenty of capable people in the hood but many don't try for fear of being seen as a pariah. The dudes who end up being in charge of criminal organizations under different circumstances could've been successful in legit ways had they grown up under different circumstances. When people hear my voice they don't I'll beat their fucking skull if they rub me the wrong way. It's sad because of the ill-mannered upbringing of a lot of these youngsters they won't go far because they can't contain themselves. They say or do stupid shit at inappropriate times.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 2:59 am

The thought of black people being nerds just blows my mind...
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 3:09 pm

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The thought of black people being nerds just blows my mind...

There's all types of blacks. Just like there's all types of whites, hispanics, and asians. I know nerds, thugs, playas, etc of all different races.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 3:39 pm

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Lionel Hutz wrote:
The thought of black people being nerds just blows my mind...

There's all types of blacks. Just like there's all types of whites, hispanics, and asians. I know nerds, thugs, playas, etc of all different races.

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 3:57 pm

Lionel Hutz wrote:
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The thought of black people being nerds just blows my mind...

There's all types of blacks. Just like there's all types of whites, hispanics, and asians. I know nerds, thugs, playas, etc of all different races.

Lies.

Having seen the world outside of the sticker bushes, dirt roads, and Section 8 projects. I know this to be fact.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 4:02 pm

You must be just confused.

I've seen black thugs in college and black thugs with jobs and black thugs who wear glasses. Is that what you mean?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 4:39 pm

Lionel Hutz wrote:
You must be just confused.

I've seen black thugs in college and black thugs with jobs and black thugs who wear glasses. Is that what you mean?

Sure, but I'm not confused

Not all blacks are thugs though. I know black nerds, as well as blacks who are street smart but aren't thugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 4:47 pm

They're all thugs, not matter how hard they try to act like they aren't.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:30 pm

Lionel Hutz wrote:
They're all thugs, not matter how hard they try to act like they aren't.

Shaking My Head How you gonna say that when you ain't black?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:33 pm

Because I know you people well. I own over 3000 rap CDs.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:38 pm

lmao

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:41 pm

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Because I know you people well. I own over 3000 rap CDs.

C'Mon Son! GTFOH with that bullshit. I've been to Cancun and to mad Mexican restaurants but I know all y'all ain't the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:46 pm

All Asians look the same.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 5:46 pm

KJ Styles wrote:
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Because I know you people well. I own over 3000 rap CDs.

C'Mon Son! GTFOH with that bullshit. I've been to Cancun and to mad Mexican restaurants but I know all y'all ain't the same.

How many salsa CDs do you own?

C'Mon Son! I've heard plenty of black rap from all types of you people and I know you guys very well.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 7:39 pm

Lionel Hutz wrote:
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Because I know you people well. I own over 3000 rap CDs.

C'Mon Son! GTFOH with that bullshit. I've been to Cancun and to mad Mexican restaurants but I know all y'all ain't the same.

How many salsa CDs do you own?

C'Mon Son! I've heard plenty of black rap from all types of you people and I know you guys very well.

Shaking My Head Talk about a joke gone bad
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 7:58 pm

You people need to learn to take a joke.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 8:03 pm

Who's gonna say it first...
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 8:04 pm

Turtle?

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 8:05 pm

No, the "you people" comment, fool.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 8:08 pm

...Turtles?

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 10:43 pm

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Being a nerd myself I know where Scott is coming from. Somewhere along the line it became bad to be intelligent. I think this reflects this drug era. There are plenty of capable people in the hood but many don't try for fear of being seen as a pariah. The dudes who end up being in charge of criminal organizations under different circumstances could've been successful in legit ways had they grown up under different circumstances. When people hear my voice they don't I'll beat their fucking skull if they rub me the wrong way. It's sad because of the ill-mannered upbringing of a lot of these youngsters they won't go far because they can't contain themselves. They say or do stupid shit at inappropriate times.

I agree 10000% I know folks that would be percieved as "thug" or whatever, and if you take the time to speak with them, they are the most intelligent folks you could ever meet. Regardless of appearence or mannerisms. I know a dude who was over 6 feet tall, had 4 told teeth up front, long braids, and he was the most well mannered and respectful person you could ever meet. Yes he was a gangster who sold drugs, but when ever I spoke to him, he didn't reflect that through his speech.

That whole "thug" thing is just something external. Every "thug" tupe loves their mother, and is very respectful towards their grand parents in general. They do what they have to do to survive regardless if they might "talk like they have a pocket protector up their ass".

And just because a person of another race owns over 3000 cds doesn't mean they know us well. The music is a reflection of what's going on around them, trials and tribulations, and so fourth. A person who owns over 3000 of "our" cd's should know that.

Jokes????
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 10:44 pm

Yes, he was joking.

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 10:46 pm

This whole thing is foolish and stupid to me. The fact the anyone is even taking this seriously is hilarious.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 10:58 pm

I understand that it was a joke, it was just a corny ass joke
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 10:59 pm

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I understand that it was a joke, it was just a corny ass joke

A corny ass joke is calling your mother a woman.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:03 pm

I understand the whole thing was a joke as well, and yes, it is very, very played out. It's like a white person trying to talk "hood" whenever they see a black person. That shit went out of style in the early 90s.

It's a black thang......
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:17 pm

What is a black thang?

What is played out?

How bout we point out it's played out for you to sit here and get up an arms and teach a black history lesson every time race is brought up?

A few simple facts:

There are black people with stereotypically geeky voices.

Their voices have nothing to do with their intelligence or lack thereof.

I happen to have run into quite a few fitting that description on youtube.

I found it an odd coincidence and made a comment.

There is nothing racial about the comment.

This obviously hit some sort of nerve and the inner black panther emerged.

It's clearly a personal issue with you.

We have not at all discussed the actual point of this post, which was the original youtube video and the nonsensical rant contained within.

If you really want to ask some thought provoking questions lets discuss what constitutes the "black experience?" Is there one? Isn't inherently stereotypical to insist it's "a black thang" yet protest to someone commenting on blacks in general?

It's either a black thang or it isn't. Who knows more about the "black thang?" Some black kid who spent his or her life hanging out with the same group of black people? A researcher? etc.

There's real discussion to be had, people just need to get out of this ignorant ass defensive mode.

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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:21 pm

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What is a black thang?

What is played out?

How bout we point out it's played out for you to sit here and get up an arms and teach a black history lesson every time race is brought up?

A few simple facts:

There are black people with stereotypically geeky voices.

Their voices have nothing to do with their intelligence or lack thereof.

I happen to have run into quite a few fitting that description on youtube.

I found it an odd coincidence and made a comment.

There is nothing racial about the comment.

This obviously hit some sort of nerve and the inner black panther emerged.

It's clearly a personal issue with you.

We have not at all discussed the actual point of this post, which was the original youtube video and the nonsensical rant contained within.

If you really want to ask some thought provoking questions lets discuss what constitutes the "black experience?" Is there one? Isn't inherently stereotypical to insist it's "a black thang" yet protest to someone commenting on blacks in general?

It's either a black thang or it isn't. Who knows more about the "black thang?" Some black kid who spent his or her life hanging out with the same group of black people? A researcher? etc.

There's real discussion to be had, people just need to get out of this ignorant ass defensive mode.

Hotep!

The whole "black thang" was my attempt at a joke too (a play on what people used to say in the early 90s). I wish the internet had a way of displaying "tone". This way we all could understand if somebody was telling a joke or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:23 pm

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I understand that it was a joke, it was just a corny ass joke

A corny ass joke is calling your mother a woman.

Seriously man, you're the world's wackest comedian. If you said that about my mother to my face, you'd be a fucking speedbump on the highway.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:24 pm

Well I missed that. My point remains though, in order to have meaningful conversations we need to get over little hang ups, myself included.

In all seriousness though, what exactly did you take out of the original youtube video you posted?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:25 pm

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I understand that it was a joke, it was just a corny ass joke

A corny ass joke is calling your mother a woman.

Seriously man, you're the world's wackest comedian. If you said that about my mother to my face, you'd be a fucking speedbump on the highway.

E-thuggery is wack KJ.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:47 pm

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Well I missed that. My point remains though, in order to have meaningful conversations we need to get over little hang ups, myself included.

In all seriousness though, what exactly did you take out of the original youtube video you posted?

Agreed.

I thought he made an excellent point. People from different regions love different kinds of hip hop for their own reasons. They don't necessarily want to be deep all the time. Folks in the south LOVE to dance. If the beat is banging and the song is catchy, then that's what they want to hear. People in CA want to hear hyphy music, and folks in STL want to hear Nelly. All in all, people want to dance, and New York is no exception. We all just want to wild out on occasion. People want to hear gangsta rap for their reasons also. I like gangsta rap too, and Crunk music is great for getting amped up if you're getting ready to do something competitive. We can't hate on somebody who likes what they like for whatever reason. Plus like he said, it depends on the region you grew up in and what you are familiar with. I've learned that the key to enjoying hip hop is "balance". Folks get too hung up on being "elitists" and that keeps them from enjoying some really good stuff from all over. One region gets labeled, and the whole area gets shitted on (cough The South, cough"). Granted there are some boo boo artists from all over, but just because we get more exposure of boo boo from one area doesn't make the whole area boo boo. It means that we have to look a bit harder than the surface to find the gold. People in general are lazy. We like to be spoon fed and we decide what we don't like based on what was given to us. It takes somebody driven to look for something better instead of settling on what is given. It makes me appreciate the internet more because without it, I'd probably be stuck sitting on the same cds I already had since 2002, and not finding out what else is out there for me to snack on. Now, my collection has substantially increased and I'm always hungry for more regardless of how people like to say hip hop is dead. It gives me more to look forward to and unfortunately, more crap to sift through. But that's okay though because I can try before I buy. It's a love/hate relationship sort of thing, more or less.
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Sun 28 Feb 2010, 11:55 pm

In all honesty A. Scott, I think your post is much more meaningful and well presented than the video - but I guess the point was to spur discussion.

I think it's easy to see things as regional differences but if you break it down it is a lot of the same things.

Maybe age or "popularity" is a bigger indication of likes and dislikes in general.

Guys like Drake and Lil' Wayne are popular nationwide and even Nicki Minaj and I don't think there is anything particularly regional about any of their music.

While I do think there is too much hate thrown at all those popular artists, I do think there is something to the fact that certain music is popular.

I think anyone can appreciate a banging beat, but I think the relevant question is why does a banging beat with an intelligent emcee become something wack to most fans?
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PostSubject: Re: Tastes and preferences in hip hop   Mon 01 Mar 2010, 12:40 am

Lionel Hutz wrote:
In all honesty A. Scott, I think your post is much more meaningful and well presented than the video - but I guess the point was to spur discussion.

I think it's easy to see things as regional differences but if you break it down it is a lot of the same things.

Maybe age or "popularity" is a bigger indication of likes and dislikes in general.

Guys like Drake and Lil' Wayne are popular nationwide and even Nicki Minaj and I don't think there is anything particularly regional about any of their music.

While I do think there is too much hate thrown at all those popular artists, I do think there is something to the fact that certain music is popular.

I think anyone can appreciate a banging beat, but I think the relevant question is why does a banging beat with an intelligent emcee become something wack to most fans?

That's a very good question. I think that's because people don't want to be "schooled" or learn anything while they are trying to relax. I guess sometimes, people want to turn their brain off, so to speak.
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