100 Greastest Nominee Day 52 (B)

Ras Kass

I never was a Ras Kass fan. this is a neither for me.

You were NEVER a Ras Kass fan? That's crazy to me.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

You were NEVER a Ras Kass fan? That's crazy to me.

I need to clarify that. Ras Kass was ok to me. I don't hate him, but i never listen to him. His albums didn't hold too much replay value to me.

i hate you terry

Damn, SIX neither votes, y'all some pale-faced haters.


1st of all, the man has 2 classics, Soul on Ice and Van Gogh/Goldyn Child. Rassassination is 4 stars, and all but a mixtape or two of his is 4 stars as well. Why the fuck is this dude not top 100 at least?

Van Gogh/Golden Chyld was never released, Soul On Ice is impossible to buy. Rassassination is like 4.5 to me, and I was voting based on my personal bias, he'd be in my top 20...but that's not how I'm voting.

we all counted internal affairs for monche and that album was pulled, and not being able to get an album now counts against someone? thats fucking stupid.

Steve wrote:

we all counted internal affairs for monche and that album was pulled, and not being able to get an album now counts against someone? thats fucking stupid.

I think i was just pointing out that his discography was hard to come by. I also read that Internal Affairs was being re-released this year as a 10th anniversary edition. I'm not sure if they cleared the sample for Simon Says though.

Steve wrote:

i hate you terry

I thought you hated everyone.

neither easily...

incredible lyricist just like Canibus, but that's not enough IMO

top 200 artist of all-time though which is still pretty good

Yeah steve I was talking about most people not being able to get his albums and like I said I haven't been voting personal bias or I would have included him.

yo powell, what works of ras kass' have you heard?

I voted neither. A lot of lyrical skill, but never amounted to much. Lyrically, Soul On Ice is one of the best Hip-Hop albums ever. Musically, it's shitty. So, at best it's a very good album overall, not a classic. Nothing else he released was better than good, Rasassination had it's moments, but it had it's holes too. Van Gogh never came out, but I've heard it, and it's no hidden classic, just another good album. A lot of his recent material isn't even that.

Steve wrote:

yo powell, what works of ras kass' have you heard?

I've heard Soul On Ice (4.5 stars) and Rasassination (4 stars), which works from him have you heard???

He's got quite a few mixtapes, and I recommend you download Van Gogh/Goldyn Child (only way you can get it, label politics shelved it). You can buy Revenge of the Spit, and Eat or Die, 2 dope mixtapes. He also has a couple albums, institutionalized Vol. 1 and 2 which aren't his best work.

So Biggie is #1 with 2 albums, and 2 Ras Kass albums which are .5 stars and 1 star lower is 199 spots lower?

That's what I'm saying about Powell's and KJ's ratings being so skewed.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

That's what I'm saying about Powell's and KJ's ratings being so skewed.

no shit son they vote their favorite rappers up high and then say others cant get on the top list even because of their amount of great work. it doesnt make since.

Not just that but like their album ratings upon first glance seem correct but then when they actually talk about the albums it's fucked up. Case in point: KJ gave Last Of A Dying Breed a 4.5 (which is about right IMO) but then said it has 2-3 skip tracks, how is that possible?

i have all of Rassys shit except his latest mixtape, definitely one of my favorites

Damn, this forum hates on real talent for odd reasons and then votes mediocre emcees in...smh.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

That's what I'm saying about Powell's and KJ's ratings being so skewed.

LOL

dudes are really concerned about how I'm voting...thanks for all the love fellas

but like how you guys think Biggie is overrated or Cool J is wack...I think Ras Kass is nowhere near the top 100 hip-hop acts of all-time even with the two joints from him that I have heard being 4.5 stars and 4 stars respectively....he reminds me of Canibus...a spit machine with no impact, no influence and some wack ass beats....how that qualifies as top 100 of all-time material you tell me???

I can spit my ass off with some wack ass beats and make virtually no impact on other emcees or fans (except my hardcore ones) I have no hits to speak of, I'm somewhat known outside of my own region, even though I can spit there are plenty of others who can spit better than me.....I mean FUCK THAT....get those two mummies outta here...lol

Co-sign Powell!!

D.Powell wrote:

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

That's what I'm saying about Powell's and KJ's ratings being so skewed.

LOL

dudes are really concerned about how I'm voting...thanks for all the love fellas

but like how you guys think Biggie is overrated or Cool J is wack...I think Ras Kass is nowhere near the top 100 hip-hop acts of all-time even with the two joints from him that I have heard being 4.5 stars and 4 stars respectively....he reminds me of Canibus...a spit machine with no impact, no influence and some wack ass beats....how that qualifies as top 100 of all-time material you tell me???

If you feel this way it shouldnt be a problem when i feel the same way about Nas. But you all made a big deal out of it. Nas is a spit machine, hes influenced some good rappers, lots of wack ass beats that take down the quality of his music. I dont know why people get all bent outta shape when a rapper they like doesnt make the list. Its not a big deal, lots of people i wanted on the list didnt make it. You got some people who cry and have little fits when a rapper they like doesnt make it. This is not a personal top 100 so chill the fuck out. i also think people are letting influence and mass appeal play to much of a role in their choices. maybe we should have 50 and wayne on the list for their mass appeal and influencing a shit load of young rappers to pick up the mic.

With so much attention on mass appeal and influence it seems the music doesnt matter. lets say Ras had the same mass appeal and influence as Nas, but Ras still made the same albums. Even though you didnt find his music that great would you still vote him on?

The Mothafuckin GZA wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

That's what I'm saying about Powell's and KJ's ratings being so skewed.

LOL

dudes are really concerned about how I'm voting...thanks for all the love fellas

but like how you guys think Biggie is overrated or Cool J is wack...I think Ras Kass is nowhere near the top 100 hip-hop acts of all-time even with the two joints from him that I have heard being 4.5 stars and 4 stars respectively....he reminds me of Canibus...a spit machine with no impact, no influence and some wack ass beats....how that qualifies as top 100 of all-time material you tell me???

If you feel this way it shouldnt be a problem when i feel the same way about Nas. But you all made a big deal out of it. Nas is a spit machine, hes influenced some good rappers, lots of wack ass beats that take down the quality of his music. I dont know why people get all bent outta shape when a rapper they like doesnt make the list. Its not a big deal, lots of people i wanted on the list didnt make it. You got some people who cry and have little fits when a rapper they like doesnt make it. This is not a personal top 100 so chill the fuck out. i also think people are letting influence and mass appeal play to much of a role in their choices. maybe we should have 50 and wayne on the list for their mass appeal and influencing a shit load of young rappers to pick up the mic

Okay Cory your starting to sound a little like Slang right now...would you two stop invoking the name of Lil Wayne whenever it seems the right time to do it

Lil Wayne or 50 would NEVER make top 350 for me because with all that impact and influence they lack the ability to actually SPIT...to actually make classic albums....to actually show me that they've got real love for hip-hop and not the almighty dollar

I can't speak for anyone else but this is my criteria I use to judge whether an emcee/producer/hip-hop mogul will make my top 100 hip-hop acts of all-time

Not in any particular order:

Impact

Influence

Talent

Creative output

Flow

Classic material

Were they the first to do something?/ Pioneering status

those are pretty much the 7 ingredients that I use to make any decisions about whether I feel someone is top 100 hip-hop worthy of all-time....they need to score at least a 75% in 5 out've the 7 categories...

now going on that system Lil Wayne and 50 cent for example don't even come close outside of impact and influence IMO...hopefully this clears up any confusion at least about my grading system.....

The 50 and wayne part was not the point of my post. It just seems people are putting to much focus on influence. I agree with you Powell and have pretty much voted the same way you have threw out all these threads. It just seems the actual music doesnt matter for some which is way i asked the question.

my grading system

Impact/influence = 25%
Music quality, classics, flow, skill and so on = 75%

I still feel artists who maybe were not well know but made amazing music should be able to make the list

Co-Sign Gza. It's not that we're SO concenred with how you're voting powell, it's just the consistency with your reasoning BEHIND why you vote. If you're inconsistent, something would be askew. My reasoning hasn't changed, I'm positive Kev's hasn't, I know SRP's, Steve's, Al's, Gza's and Trotter's hasn't as well.

co-sign GZA and Nero

Personally, I wouldn't even give impact/influence 25%, but people aren't gonna have the same criteria.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Co-Sign Gza. It's not that we're SO concenred with how you're voting powell, it's just the consistency with your reasoning BEHIND why you vote. If you're inconsistent, something would be askew. My reasoning hasn't changed, I'm positive Kev's hasn't, I know SRP's, Steve's, Al's, Gza's and Trotter's hasn't as well.

And neither has my reasoning N3RO...I've been voting I feel consistently all along

now you guys may not agree with my votes, but I'm voting on how I feel not how you guys feel

the sooner that heads realize this the sooner everyone will do what they need to do, whatever that maybe

in other words vote how you feel, debate about shit and keep it moving

but I can tell you this much NO ONE on here is ever going to change my mind about how I vote, so I'm consistent man...I've even given you reasons why I'm voting the way I'm voting...outside of Cory no one else has actually done that

what...i list what i vote erryday mostly

Steve wrote:

what...i list what i vote erryday mostly

cut Powell some slack. he gets confused sometimes. he called N3R0 out for deleting his posts, but in actuality, Powell was just on page 2 of the thread in question.

T. Myers wrote:

Steve wrote:

what...i list what i vote erryday mostly

cut Powell some slack. he gets confused sometimes. he called N3R0 out for deleting his posts, but in actuality, Powell was just on page 2 of the thread in question.

cut Terry some slack, that grease from the chicken he loves so much sometimes goes to his brain....

he needs some drainage

People need to just vote how they feel it right. When your favorite rapper doesnt make it just move on. King Tee, Too Short and Mantronix didnt make the list. I found out why some voted that way, but they are still on my top list so its fine. I only voted neither for Three 6 Mafia and Master P, you cant be mad about that either. When i dont know enough of the artists work i dont vote neither just because im not familiar, which i think has been a big problem with how the results have been coming out

Powell I realize you've been voting consistently but when you give different reasons (all out of your criteria) it seems like you put different emphasis on different things to suit your responses, not saying that's what you do, but I'm just saying that is how it looks.

No disrespect, just saying.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Powell I realize you've been voting consistently but when you give different reasons (all out of your criteria) it seems like you put different emphasis on different things to suit your responses, not saying that's what you do, but I'm just saying that is how it looks.

No disrespect, just saying.

N3RO I honestly feel you have some sort of man crush on me or something

everyone on here including you has made some type of vote that had others scratching their heads..

You said two days ago you don't respect my opinions on hip-hop...and I said WHO CARES....I've still got them

yet two days later your still analyzing why I do what I do??? Like Kris said in '89 WHY IS THAT??

I vote the way I feel like voting based on the criteria I've set for myself

Ras Kass is not top 100 material to me

Canibus isn't either

K-Rino isn't either

Tech Nine isn't either

and there's many more that I feel this way about...for those that don't agree with that....I don't care...what am I supposed to do?? give a shit??

this whole thing has turned into a man crush thang to me and it's getting quite scary....lol

I'm married damn it...lol

Mass appeal and influence is a good part of the equation for a top 100 spot...these days undaground wise there is no problem with lyricism because it has been trained and studied from the classics so most new low key true to the art artist will have lyrics. But you can have that for days but if no one is hearing it and you are 3-4 albums deep in the game that has to be looked at. I think a lot of people feel their fav undaground rapper won't make the list just because someone will vote niether just on no impact or influence alone. I would be lying if I said I did not think someone is voting like that but I try to take all the said artists strong point and make a good vote from there.

Once again I must stress this is not the 100 greatest lyricist list this is artist list so other skills come into the picture.

Neither. I've only heard Soul On Ice and Rasassination. And while they are good and Kass is a dope spitter, they are not classics to me.

Damn, when it comes to some artists people hear 25% of their discog and feel qualified to make a judgment call? That's fucking retarded.

Steve wrote:

Damn, when it comes to some artists people hear 25% of their discog and feel qualified to make a judgment call? That's fucking retarded.

Don't worry Steve. It wouldn't have changed my opinion about Kass anyway. How many Mantronix albums have you heard? I'm willing to bet it's less than one.

lol, this lil faggot tryin to pull my hip hop card and he been listening for five years? you funny man, just cuz mantronix aint my speed dont mean i aint heard em, i would say straight up if i dont know a dude. i also love how you claim to be some mecca of hip hop knowledge when you had to cram 25 years of music (conservatively) into 5 years and think you actually know shit about it.



i wasnt even speaking to you specifically; it was to everyone this topic, and other ones like "oh i heard 1 of his albums, so i know enough to make an accurate call, but im gonna say i dont about artist x" just be consistent.

You make everything so fucking personal it's ridiculous, Powell.

Steve wrote:

lol, this lil faggot tryin to pull my hip hop card and he been listening for five years? you funny man, just cuz mantronix aint my speed dont mean i aint heard em, i would say straight up if i dont know a dude. i also love how you claim to be some mecca of hip hop knowledge when you had to cram 25 years of music (conservatively) into 5 years and think you actually know shit about it.



i wasnt even speaking to you specifically; it was to everyone this topic, and other ones like "oh i heard 1 of his albums, so i know enough to make an accurate call, but im gonna say i dont about artist x" just be consistent.

Your hip-hop card? I don't play that game...lol

Maybe these people know that Kass is not top 100 to them without hearing 25%+ of their discog just like you with Mantronix? Not a big deal, really.

Read what I said about you in the other thread. OR shut the fuck up.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Case in point: KJ gave Last Of A Dying Breed a 4.5 (which is about right IMO) but then said it has 2-3 skip tracks, how is that possible?

One skip track would be 4.75 stars, 2 or 3 would be 4.5 stars.

As for Ras Kaas, I'm gonna vote Top 100. He's a dope lyricist and extremely underrated. He's light years better than the overrated Game.

4.5 stars for an album you skip 2 or 3 songs on? You have pretty low standards.

Jason wrote:

4.5 stars for an album you skip 2 or 3 songs on? You have pretty low standards.

Like I give a fuck what you think!

tru that KJ - who gives a fuck how you rate shit? if you think 10 skippable tracks is 5 stars (well, you would be retarded then, lol) is 5 stars, do you man, for real

Steve wrote:

tru that KJ - who gives a fuck how you rate shit? if you think 10 skippable tracks is 5 stars (well, you would be retarded then, lol) is 5 stars, do you man, for real

Who said 10 skippable tracks is 5 stars? Where are you getting that from??

KJ I understand your thinking I just felt like you were giving Scarface extra parts of a star for being Scarface, and if a Tech N9ne album had 2-3 skippable tracks you'd give it a 3.5 or a 4. That's all I was saying, not trying to get you all pissed off. That post makes me understand your rankings a LIL better though.