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PostSubject: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:00 pm

Seriously, these could be interesting discussions. To be fair, somebody else throw out Kane's most unfuckwittable track. I'll see if I can destroy it. I'm stepping out right now, so take your time.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:03 pm

in all honesty Ra's verse on Servants grabbed my attention more than any bdk verse ever has.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:05 pm

LMAO

Heckle and Jeckle! ya gotta love it mane!
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:06 pm

I don't really have a dog in either fight powell... I don't care much for either slaine or rakim... though 18th letter is my fav from either man... I prefer bdk over ra...
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:07 pm

BDK is the better rapper. But:

"in all honesty Ra's verse on Servants grabbed my attention more than any bdk verse ever has."

Could be true

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:15 pm

this "battle" should not even be discussed and wouldn't normally but joseph has been pissed off since I said his top 10 was a top 300 and now he lives to "prove" his point to daddy....

he needs a warm bottle and a nap

but seriously though R.A. would get eaten by Kane...spit back on the plate...eaten again...dropped on the floor...stepped on, and then left for dead....this is a perfect description of Kane vs. R.A. IMO...it's not even fuckin close....case completely closed for me...no matter what my wayward idiotic boy says...hey joseph go to bed now! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:22 pm

For obvious reasons, RA vs. Kool G Rap would be more appropriate. RA is no joke, and i'm not sure there are too many verse that can fuck with RA's verse on Renaissance or Uncommon Valor. I'll still take BDK and KGR over RA though

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 8:24 pm


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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 10:06 pm

RA goes all out on Uncommon Valor, easily his finest moment imo. Youtube that song, Powell. Do a little bit of homework, mama bubba!
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 23 Jul 2010, 11:20 pm

Have you guys heard "Chains"? "DBA"? RA has been spitting like that for a few years now...
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:02 am

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RA goes all out on Uncommon Valor, easily his finest moment imo. Youtube that song, Powell. Do a little bit of homework, mama bubba!

And this is coming from a guy who has no interest in owning anything from EPMD and also owns nothing from Run-D.M.C.


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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:04 am

LOL@ Powell
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:09 am

R.A. is a dope MC, but he's not fuckin with Kane at all. Kane's discography is pretty spotty, but he's still capable of opening up a lyrical can of whoop-ass. He'd send R.A. running with his tail between his legs.

I don't know what the fuck Parker Kid Joseph Jabroni Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds is trying to prove with these matchups, but he's fighting a losing battle trying to put his favs against these superior legends.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:10 am

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R.A. is a dope MC, but he's not fuckin with Kane at all. Kane's discography is pretty spotty, but he's still capable of opening up a lyrical can of whoop-ass. He'd send R.A. running with his tail between his legs.

I don't know what the fuck Parker Kid Joseph Jabroni Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds is trying to prove with these matchups, but he's fighting a losing battle trying to put his favs against these superior legends.

What's really hilarious is that you, KRob, and Powell are the only people disagreeing with Parker, yet you think you're winning somehow. Just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:14 am

says who Jeffrey?? who said that man???


your starting to get back to that "old" Jeffrey man....please whatever you do don't go that route...please man....stay the way you've been recently...I don't want to start youtubing videos of Iowa and the cow tipping hill a billies man...please Jeffrey don't make me do it mane! just saying!
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:14 am

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R.A. is a dope MC, but he's not fuckin with Kane at all. Kane's discography is pretty spotty, but he's still capable of opening up a lyrical can of whoop-ass. He'd send R.A. running with his tail between his legs.

I don't know what the fuck Parker Kid Joseph Jabroni Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds is trying to prove with these matchups, but he's fighting a losing battle trying to put his favs against these superior legends.

What's really hilarious is that you, KRob, and Powell are the only people disagreeing with Parker, yet you think you're winning somehow. Just saying.

Terry and Shaun said that BDK is better also. But either way, I still think this is on some "let's prove that my boys are better than the guys from the 80's" bullshit. Just give it up already. Those guys are legends for a reason. Slaine and R.A. would kill to have careers like Rakim and BDK have had.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:18 am

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Victor Shade wrote:
RA goes all out on Uncommon Valor, easily his finest moment imo. Youtube that song, Powell. Do a little bit of homework, mama bubba!

And this is coming from a guy who has no interest in owning anything from EPMD and also owns nothing from Run-D.M.C.


ummm tranny quiet boy!

All I ask you to do is do a little youtubing. Not dissing. Even old fools can learn something new ya know.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:20 am

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Have you guys heard "Chains"? "DBA"? RA has been spitting like that for a few years now...

Nah, I don't think I have, Jeff. I only own his one offical album and heard him on a lot of cameos. Haven't dug deeper than that.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:22 am

and for me personally it's not just about careers....R.A. The Rugged Man (what a stupid fuckin name) is in no way, shape or form fuckin with Bid Daddy Kane lyrically...flow....content...etc

and there is no way that half way above average Slaine is fuckin with Rakim...now that shit is just completely laughable...that's some Chris Rock, Cedric The Entertainer shit right there

pickin out 2 or 3 of your favorite verses from a 3rd rate emcee does not add up to a hall of fame emcee...it does not add up to a top 10 emcee.....R.A. couldn't even fuck with someone like Big L IMO...Lord Finesse would crush him too....since we need some underground emcees...those 2 D.I.T.C. vets would bust his shit IMO...let's add O.C. to the mix as well...shit Big Pun too....R.A. is not that good IMO.....he's a decent lyricist but I know of many that would bust a hole in his lips IMO!
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:31 am

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Nemo Nobody wrote:
Have you guys heard "Chains"? "DBA"? RA has been spitting like that for a few years now...

Nah, I don't think I have, Jeff. I only own his one offical album and heard him on a lot of cameos. Haven't dug deeper than that.

Chains is on Die Rugged Man Die, KJ...I mean, Tran.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:43 am

smh I own the fucking album. Not remembering song names don't mean I don't own the album. I don't say I own albums I don't fucking own so don't call me KJ. Ask me what's on page two and I'll give you the fucking answer. After that, shut the fuck up and quite fucking acting like you on your period today.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:07 am

I'm just saying...what's your nastiest Kane track? No need to get mad..lol
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:25 am

You cannot fuck with this guy...lol. No amount of anger or hatred can diminish the skills.

Find a Kane verse to fuck with this.

Stop talking stupid unrelated shit and just show me the verse that proves your point...

Or shut the fuck up.

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 7:25 am

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I'm just saying...what's your nastiest Kane track? No need to get mad..lol


let's play along shall we:

here's a few I like:

















here's few for you to put your lips on joseph...hows that taste?? am I still "mad"??? lol @ pedophile joe!
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:38 pm

being considered a great rapper is more about spitting some hot bars and verses. RA and Slaine both have a lot of talent no doubt, but i would prefer to listen to Rakim and BDK most of the time. I mean, Rakim and BDK have big discographies, Slaine and RA cant even get albums out, that in itself speaks volumes. i love Rugged Man but its obvious he is extremely influenced by Kool G Rap, because of that he will never be able to surpass KGR, at least at this point in his career. As for Slaine vs. Rakim, Slaine may be good, but you are trying to compare him to a god. if not for Rakim, Slaine's style may have never even been able to exist. Rakim, for his time, was a genius and influenced almost every other rapper after either directly or indirectly. I also prefer Rakim's voice to Slaine's, and VOICE IMO is a HUGE part of rapping. If i prefer hearing someones voice more they automatically get some favorable opinions toward them from me.

Again, no doubt in Slaine and RA's talent, but they dont have enough material to compete with the other two.
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material should be irrelevant - big l and big pun are both rap gods and they have limited material (big pun moreso) - same with biggie...
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:54 pm

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material should be irrelevant - big l and big pun are both rap gods and they have limited material (big pun moreso) - same with biggie...

good point, but Slaine doesnt even have a solo album out.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 12:59 pm

RA loses because he's a one trick pony for the most part. Whereas Kane is one of the most well rounded lyricists in hip hop period.

I do get why someone would feel Slaine and RA is betta than these greats though. Lyrical rappers are more complex now and days with their rhyme cadence and wordplay. But its only because these cats laid the blueprint for them to build off of.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:14 pm

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RA loses because he's a one trick pony for the most part. Whereas Kane is one of the most well rounded lyricists in hip hop period.

I do get why someone would feel Slaine and RA is betta than these greats though. Lyrical rappers are more complex now and days with their rhyme cadence and wordplay. But its only because these cats laid the blueprint for them to build off of.

I'll co-sign the second statement, but clearly my opinion is invalid because I'm a white supremacist.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:24 pm

I can I can see calling him a one trick pony. But, rhyming every word for 10 straight bars, and still dropping a coherent verse...that's quite a trick. I don't hear anyone else doing it. He does it regularly.

I never thought i'd see this turn into an honest discussion.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:44 pm

Slaine White Man Is The Devil, Vol 2 is a full length studio album. Vol 1 is a mixtape. One third of Special Teamz, LCN
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 1:46 pm

A major part of my point is that, just because Ra is a god in hip hop, and he did originate a lot of technique, his approach doesn't hold up against modern emcees. Listen to them tracks after the Slaine tracks. He couldn't flow his way out of a paper bag in today's climate.

If that shit doeasn't sound choppy and simplistic compared to today's emcees you're in denial and this conversation is a waste of time.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 3:21 pm

"I don't want to start youtubing videos of Iowa and the cow tipping hill a billies man...please Jeffrey don't make me do it mane! just saying!"

"if not for Rakim, Slaine's style may have never even been able to exist. Rakim, for his time, was a genius and influenced almost every other rapper after either directly or indirectly"

lmao @ Powell

And, I must've missed the meeting on how starting a style makes you better than those that came after. An old white guy started the game of basketball, does that mean he's better than Kobe and Jordan?

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 5:47 pm

umm Shaun I didn't say the second one of your quotes good buddy....just lettin ya know..as I use my "ebonics"...gotta love it mane Smile
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Sat 24 Jul 2010, 7:30 pm

"umm Shaun I didn't say the second one of your quotes good buddy....just lettin ya know..as I use my "ebonics"...gotta love it mane "

I know. I guess I should've made that two different posts.

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Thu 10 Mar 2011, 8:45 pm

RA with RIDICULOUS ease imo.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 2:28 pm

thelundquist wrote:
KANE with RIDICULOUS ease imo.

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 4:07 pm

Kane is dope. He is a legend, but RA is just plain better... in every aspect of rapping.
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 6:01 pm

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Kane is dope. He is a legend, but RA is just plain better... in every aspect of rapping.

I disagree entirely. I still spin Kane to this day, whereas I can take or leave RA. Kane is just far more appealing and has dropped more classic songs and lines.

RA is a dope MC, one of the best post-2000 in fact. But his tracks aren't as dope as Ain't No Half Steppin, Raw, Smooth Operator, Warm It Up Kane, etc...

Bottom line, Kane is one of the best that ever did it. RA ain't on that level yet and it remains to be seen if he ever will be. I doubt it though.

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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 6:37 pm

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Kane is dope. He is a legend, but RA is just plain better... in every aspect of rapping.


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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 6:51 pm

Post-2000? Rugged Man's been in game since '92. Admittedly Kane has more classics, and I'm not saying he's not great, but I think RA is a more skilled MC. RA is like ODB mixed with KGR.

You're right RA won't reach BDKs level of recognition. I'm writing on my phone and its hard so I'll stop here lol
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PostSubject: Re: R.A. Rugged Man vs Big Daddy Kane   Fri 11 Mar 2011, 9:27 pm

I haven't heard a lot of RA's material, but like the second poster mentioned his verse on Uncommon Valor definitely affected me more than anything I've heard from BDK. He was also pretty nice on the track he did on Celph's album, and I've also heard some other tracks featuring him off of compilations, and I've heard Die Rugged Man Die, and he's nice on a lot of those tracks. That said, I hold BDK's first two albums in higher regard than DRMD. But in terms of lyrics I might pick R.A. too, and it's not because he's white or because I'm ignorant and have no respect for the genre.

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