Master P,Diddy, and Suge

All these guys are slavemasters . Im tired of the sucessful Black man mantra. these guys juiced their artist dry. I commend P for retiring out the game cause nobody was buying his s**t but Diddy needs to hand it up also. What has Diddy done for Hip Hop? A lot of the artist he puts under his wing fall short and become failures. Who da f**k heard a Loon or G-Dep album? What the hell happened to Black Rob? P.Diddy don't help anybodies career. he dropped Craig Mack after he had a Platinum album. He brought in Mase, the forefather of homo-rap. And diddy has the nerve to wanna rhyme himself. And I don't know whose a wacker rapper P.Diddy or Master P.

Suge is another guy that have hurt hip hop more than help it. Wow, people love his big bully demeanor but so what? Get off his nuts. Guy should have just done security for artist. He simply screwed rappers and took artist under his wing that went no where. Wasn't Petey Pablo suppose to be under Suge's wing? I give it up for Suge for not trying to rhyme.

These 3 stooges aren't worth the hype. And also, I seriously feel Pac wouldn't be with Suge nor Biggie with Diddy if they were alive today.

Yes I know Im ranting but gawddammit its been awhile

Based off what.

P, lacked quality control but he gave his team the knowledge but many didn't use it
Diddy, was inconsistent, (he could give you one great and that's it, only Biggie broke that trend in the hip-hop division)
Suge, was so shady his artists left him under threat

Suge was the worst by far. He cheated his artists, caused a rap war, and is no longer in business. Nuff said.

Puffy easy

Let's compare classic Death Row albums to classic Bad Boy:

2 Biggie

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3 Pac
1 Dre
1 Snoop
1 Dogg Pound


And that's being CONSERVATIVE.

This poll isn't about who you like better, it's about who's been the most successful. Suge went BANKRUPT and Diddy's still in business. And Bad Boy's best years were more successful than No Limit's best years.

Therefore

Diddy>>>>>>>>>Master P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suge Knight

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

This poll isn't about who you like better, it's about who's been the most successful. Suge went BANKRUPT and Diddy's still in business. And Bad Boy's best years were more successful than No Limit's best years.

Therefore

Diddy>>>>>>>>>Master P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suge Knight

The top of the poll says "who's more worse" and I voted accordingly.

I would say Suge is by far the worst...he brought nothing to the game...and you can't say he brought us Pac because Pac was already established when he signed to Deathrow....Diddy however did bring out Biggie so that to me is enough to make Diddy ahead of Suge

and when you add on Suge's rep for trying to be a school bully it just makes him even worse...all 3 of these dudes have ripped off their artists...Diddy and Suge in particular but thats just part of the game...Russell Simmons did it...Andre Harrell did it.......Dee and Waah did it so that happens all the time in the music game...it's a dog eat dog kinda thang...


my order would be:

Suge>>>>>>>>>>>>>Diddy>>>>>>>>>>>>Master P

of the 3 of them I respect Percy the most.....I just think he's the most honorable mogul between these 3 choices.....and Suge is in last place.....

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

Jeff wrote:

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

The Chronic was all Dr.Dre Jeffrey....musically that was all Dre.....Suge had NO musical talent whatsoever...NONE...Diddy did some production on Biggie's debut...gave him a few thoughts....like I said he (Suge) brought nothing new to the game.....other than putting up some extortion money to help Dre start Deathrow

Half wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

This poll isn't about who you like better, it's about who's been the most successful. Suge went BANKRUPT and Diddy's still in business. And Bad Boy's best years were more successful than No Limit's best years.

Therefore

Diddy>>>>>>>>>Master P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suge Knight

The top of the poll says "who's more worse" and I voted accordingly.

What has Suge done? He has zero musical talent, he screwed his artists, he started an East Coast/West Coast war, and said that if he knew who Pac and Biggie's killers were, he WOULD NOT tell the police.

Therefore Suge is the worst. You DID NOT vote accordingly.

You know, I'm always getting accused of East Coast bias despite the fact that I don't always vote East Coast. Yet y'all show clear bias to the coast y'all were born and/or currently reside. Pot calling the kettle black.

Diddy is still in business because he sells clothes. Death Row records is still a lucrative intellectual property even without suge.

Deathrow records is deceased SRP...what are you talking about?? if it had more credible leadership then they might still be a viable part of the hip-hop community but they had Suge...I mean this dude tried to fight Pac's mom over control of his estate as well.....Suge is a piece of SHIT...plain and simple my dude...he is by far the worse from this list

Read what I said and go look up what intellectual property is... and learn something new powell.

Deathrow is not "deceased". WIDEawake bought Deathrow, and they have been re-releasing classic albums(The Chronic), and they are releasing unreleased material in it's original form. So Deathrow is still making money, and releasing "new" material.

Any money that Deathrow is making in 2010 has absolutely NOTHING to do with Suge Knight am I correct??

this discussion is about Suge Knight, Diddy, and Master P...what Pedro is discussing has nothing to do with this thread.....so I guess I should put him on ignore?? lol


NOT...I'll leave that gay stuff to gay people...lol

death row is suge knights legacy...

D.Powell wrote:

Any money that Deathrow is making in 2010 has absolutely NOTHING to do with Suge Knight am I correct??

Well yes and no. This is music that was recorded on Suge's watch, but he has nothing to do with the release of this music any longer.

I was just explaining that Deathrow was still techinally in business. You may carry on with your convo now.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

death row is suge knights legacy...

Deathrow in 2010-2011 has NOTHING to do with Suge Knight correct??

so he's outta there right? been that way for years now huh???

Pedro be quiet man...lol

Look up legacy.

Oh and Terry anything MUSICALLY recorded on Deathrow during the Suge years had NOTHING to do with Suge either.....he had NO musical ear and no musical talent...he did however have the ability to hang a dude upside from the side of a balcony and GET MONEY from them...now that he was great at...lol

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Look up legacy.

look up BLOWJOB! see if the description fits what you're doing to Suge right now...lol

Diddy and Master P have just as much musical talent as suge.

D.Powell wrote:

Oh and Terry anything MUSICALLY recorded on Deathrow during the Suge years had NOTHING to do with Suge either.....he had NO musical ear and no musical talent...he did however have the ability to hang a dude upside from the side of a balcony and GET MONEY from them...now that he was great at...lol

I agree, but that's a different conversation.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy and Master P have just as much musical talent as suge.

Diddy did some production Pedro and so did Master P...stop that...is your mouth tired yet??? damn my dude

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy is still in business because he sells clothes. Death Row records is still a lucrative intellectual property even without suge.

But no artists are fuckin with Death Row. If a guy goes BANKRUPT then clearly he's not better than a guy who's still in business and still has clients.

Master P and Diddy produce beats just like anyone of us do. They hire some cheap producers, make them do all the work, and put their name on it. Is Suge Knight less of a man because he let daz and dre keep the credit, even if he screwed them over for money?

The main difference between these guys is this:

Diddy and P got on the mic - but they aren't good rappers.

Diddy managed to find a lucrative business in Sean John, hence why Bad Boy is still in business, otherwise bad boy would have gone away just the same, as is Bad Boy has jumped to different distributors.

So if you want to say Diddy is the best business man out of the bunch - that is clear, no argument there.

If you are asking who contributed more to the game? Diddy isn't even in the running.

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

Suge Knight single handedly made the west coast the top coast in the game and P did the same with New ORleans.

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

The Chronic was all Dr.Dre Jeffrey....musically that was all Dre.....Suge had NO musical talent whatsoever...NONE...Diddy did some production on Biggie's debut...gave him a few thoughts....like I said he (Suge) brought nothing new to the game.....other than putting up some extortion money to help Dre start Deathrow

Pretty sure Trotter is talking about business acumen, but you change the criteria to meet your facts, and change the facts when they don't suit your pre-determined outcome. This is the opposite of the scientific method, I shall call it "Powell's Factual Method".

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Master P and Diddy produce beats just like anyone of us do. They hire some cheap producers, make them do all the work, and put their name on it. Is Suge Knight less of a man because he let daz and dre keep the credit, even if he screwed them over for money?

The main difference between these guys is this:

Diddy and P got on the mic - but they aren't good rappers.

Diddy managed to find a lucrative business in Sean John, hence why Bad Boy is still in business, otherwise bad boy would have gone away just the same, as is Bad Boy has jumped to different distributors.

So if you want to say Diddy is the best business man out of the bunch - that is clear, no argument there.

If you are asking who contributed more to the game? Diddy isn't even in the running.

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

Suge Knight single handedly made the west coast the top coast in the game and P did the same with New ORleans.

Dr.Dre single handedly made the west coast the top in the game not Suge Knight... and that was proven once Dre left Deathrow....let the demise begin....Suge was horrible man....I think you've already made him cum Pedro....lol...you can stop sucking now

Yes, that's why Dre with World Class Wreckin cru - or Dre alone on aftermath for the first 4 years absolutely ruled the game.

Jeff wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

The Chronic was all Dr.Dre Jeffrey....musically that was all Dre.....Suge had NO musical talent whatsoever...NONE...Diddy did some production on Biggie's debut...gave him a few thoughts....like I said he (Suge) brought nothing new to the game.....other than putting up some extortion money to help Dre start Deathrow

Pretty sure Trotter is talking about business acumen, but you change the criteria to meet your facts, and change the facts when they don't suit your pre-determined outcome. This is the opposite of the scientific method, I shall call it "Powell's Factual Method".

Go read what Trotter wrote again Jeffrey...he clearly talks about rapping as well as business in his rant.....he refers the rapping part to just P and Diddy because of course Suge never did anything musically nor did he ever have anything to do with the music part of the game.....this is all well known Jeffrey.....

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Half wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

This poll isn't about who you like better, it's about who's been the most successful. Suge went BANKRUPT and Diddy's still in business. And Bad Boy's best years were more successful than No Limit's best years.

Therefore

Diddy>>>>>>>>>Master P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suge Knight

The top of the poll says "who's more worse" and I voted accordingly.

What has Suge done? He has zero musical talent, he screwed his artists, he started an East Coast/West Coast war, and said that if he knew who Pac and Biggie's killers were, he WOULD NOT tell the police.

Therefore Suge is the worst. You DID NOT vote accordingly.

You know, I'm always getting accused of East Coast bias despite the fact that I don't always vote East Coast. Yet y'all show clear bias to the coast y'all were born and/or currently reside. Pot calling the kettle black.

When did Diddy do anything but fuck up the game.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Yes, that's why Dre with World Class Wreckin cru - or Dre alone on aftermath for the first 4 years absolutely ruled the game.

Deathrow's death began when Dre bounced...this is a FACT.....Aftermath with Dre did waay more with just Dre then Deathrow did with just Suge....remember Eminem?? how about 50 Cent?? nuff said....now go and rest your throat man...your disgusting...lol

Half wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Half wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

This poll isn't about who you like better, it's about who's been the most successful. Suge went BANKRUPT and Diddy's still in business. And Bad Boy's best years were more successful than No Limit's best years.

Therefore

Diddy>>>>>>>>>Master P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suge Knight

The top of the poll says "who's more worse" and I voted accordingly.

What has Suge done? He has zero musical talent, he screwed his artists, he started an East Coast/West Coast war, and said that if he knew who Pac and Biggie's killers were, he WOULD NOT tell the police.

Therefore Suge is the worst. You DID NOT vote accordingly.

You know, I'm always getting accused of East Coast bias despite the fact that I don't always vote East Coast. Yet y'all show clear bias to the coast y'all were born and/or currently reside. Pot calling the kettle black.

When did Diddy do anything but fuck up the game.

SMH, I don't see any way in which he fucked up the game but whatever.

D.Powell wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Yes, that's why Dre with World Class Wreckin cru - or Dre alone on aftermath for the first 4 years absolutely ruled the game.

Deathrow's death began when Dre bounced...this is a FACT.....Aftermath with Dre did waay more with just Dre then Deathrow did with just Suge....remember Eminem?? how about 50 Cent?? nuff said....now go and rest your throat man...your disgusting...lol

So Dr. Dre made the west coast what it was - but he needed a midwest rapper and an east coast rapper to save his label from bankruptcy.... surree buddy.

Dre had the west coast on LOCK....anything the man touched was fuckin gold...he had that much respect in NYC and the West Coast...nobody over here was listening to anything Suge said or did....it was always all about Dr.Dre....he ruled the west with an iron fist...he started with NWA and began to put the west coast on that pedestal...he was the MAIN reason why dudes in NYC began to really respect the west coast....Dr.Dre is the KING of the west coast easily....kill all of this Suge Knight noise....lol

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

That's one more guy than Suge discovered

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

The Chronic was all Dr.Dre Jeffrey....musically that was all Dre.....Suge had NO musical talent whatsoever...NONE...Diddy did some production on Biggie's debut...gave him a few thoughts....like I said he (Suge) brought nothing new to the game.....other than putting up some extortion money to help Dre start Deathrow

Pretty sure Trotter is talking about business acumen, but you change the criteria to meet your facts, and change the facts when they don't suit your pre-determined outcome. This is the opposite of the scientific method, I shall call it "Powell's Factual Method".

Go read what Trotter wrote again Jeffrey...he clearly talks about rapping as well as business in his rant.....he refers the rapping part to just P and Diddy because of course Suge never did anything musically nor did he ever have anything to do with the music part of the game.....this is all well known Jeffrey.....

Do you read what you write or just punch letters on to the keyboard? Trotter was lamenting Diddy and P rapping, indicating AT LEAST SUGE DIDN'T RAP, MAKING HIM PREFERABLE. This is about business acumen, but again, make it about whatever you want because that's what you do when you can't win the discussion that's actually being held.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

That's one more guy than Suge discovered

Good try. Mister Cee discovered Biggie, Ma$e was already rapping pre-Bad Boy, etc etc. Diddy discovered NO ONE.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

That's one more guy than Suge discovered

Death Row Solo Debuts:

Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Dogg Pound
Daz

Yes, I should clarify, by discovered I meant introduced them mainstream by releasing their debut.

Jeff wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Jeff wrote:

"Nothing new to the game". Show me where the Chronic was before Death Row, if you would, please.

The Chronic was all Dr.Dre Jeffrey....musically that was all Dre.....Suge had NO musical talent whatsoever...NONE...Diddy did some production on Biggie's debut...gave him a few thoughts....like I said he (Suge) brought nothing new to the game.....other than putting up some extortion money to help Dre start Deathrow

Pretty sure Trotter is talking about business acumen, but you change the criteria to meet your facts, and change the facts when they don't suit your pre-determined outcome. This is the opposite of the scientific method, I shall call it "Powell's Factual Method".

Go read what Trotter wrote again Jeffrey...he clearly talks about rapping as well as business in his rant.....he refers the rapping part to just P and Diddy because of course Suge never did anything musically nor did he ever have anything to do with the music part of the game.....this is all well known Jeffrey.....

Do you read what you write or just punch letters on to the keyboard? Trotter was lamenting Diddy and P rapping, indicating AT LEAST SUGE DIDN'T RAP, MAKING HIM PREFERABLE. This is about business acumen, but again, make it about whatever you want because that's what you do when you can't win the discussion that's actually being held.

He was LAMENTING ALL OF THEM together Jeffrey.....ummm you're stupid....lol

Dang! Trotter wrote:

All these guys are slavemasters . Im tired of the sucessful Black man mantra. these guys juiced their artist dry. I commend P for retiring out the game cause nobody was buying his s**t but Diddy needs to hand it up also. What has Diddy done for Hip Hop? A lot of the artist he puts under his wing fall short and become failures. Who da f**k heard a Loon or G-Dep album? What the hell happened to Black Rob? P.Diddy don't help anybodies career. he dropped Craig Mack after he had a Platinum album. He brought in Mase, the forefather of homo-rap. And diddy has the nerve to wanna rhyme himself. And I don't know whose a wacker rapper P.Diddy or Master P.

Suge is another guy that have hurt hip hop more than help it. Wow, people love his big bully demeanor but so what? Get off his nuts. Guy should have just done security for artist. He simply screwed rappers and took artist under his wing that went no where. Wasn't Petey Pablo suppose to be under Suge's wing? I give it up for Suge for not trying to rhyme.

These 3 stooges aren't worth the hype. And also, I seriously feel Pac wouldn't be with Suge nor Biggie with Diddy if they were alive today.

Yes I know Im ranting but gawddammit its been awhile

Where the FUCK is he favoring Suge Knight Jeffrey??? like I just said YOU'RE STOOOOPID!

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Diddy discovered 1 rapper who impacted the game.

That's one more guy than Suge discovered

Death Row Solo Debuts:

Dr. Dre
Snoop Dogg
Dogg Pound
Daz

Suge discovered NONE of those artists....as a matter of fact Dre had more to do with each one named then Suge ever did......Dr.Dre is the KING of the west coast....now shut up...lol

This isn't about business acumen, it's about who is homo. That would be Diddy.

Half wrote:

This isn't about business acumen, it's about who is homo. That would be Diddy.

He fucked Jennifer Lopez, Cassie Ventura, and Nicki Minaj so wrong again buddy.

If Suge Knight had a legacy, he wouldn't be bankrupt. Suge did nothing on the albums whatsoever. Yes Diddy did a lot of unnecessary adlbing but out of the 3 I would say Suge is worse, Master P at #2 and Diddy 3rd worse.

In interviews Suge is by far the worse. He stated the reason Eazy-E died of AIDS was that he never bought his Mom a house outside the hood. He stated Eazy-E made sure his Jew CEO at Ruthless was well taking care of though. So thats why God took him away. Im paraphrases ofcourse but thats what Suge said

Highsmith wrote:

If Suge Knight had a legacy, he wouldn't be bankrupt. Suge did nothing on the albums whatsoever. Yes Diddy did a lot of unnecessary adlbing but out of the 3 I would say Suge is worse, Master P at #2 and Diddy 3rd worse.

Highsmith, man, usually you're more sensical than this. If Suge had a legacy he wouldn't be bankrupt? That's just ridiculous. 90% of all the classical artists who are considered grandmasters today were penniless when they died. And they influenced ALL modern art...that's just straight nonsense right there.

Bottom line, Diddy was and STILL IS successful. Suge went bankrupt and is done.

No matter what type of bias you want to use, you are not a better record label owner if you can't stay in business.