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PostSubject: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:16 am

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:36 am

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:30 am

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 10:45 am

Neither, easily. If Tech N9ne ain't getting in, this fool ain't either.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 11:53 am

Fat Joe is a top 100 hip-hop artist, there can be no comparison between him and Tech Nine, Tech Nine is a better lyricist than Fat Joe and that's about it....he doesn't have better beats, he has not made better songs of the course of his career, he has virtually no impact nor influence like Joe does, IMO he has not better overall albums either because Joe's early shit was pretty damn good....he also has not co-founded any ground breaking clicks like Joe has with DITC, Tech Nine has not brought out any emcee the caliber of Big Pun....Joe is killin' that dude...lol

let me make myself clear on this, the 2009 version of Fat Joe who is a born and bred Miami head I am not feeling at all, that dude is completely wack and has been wack at least since 2006...but the Bronx born and bred Joe was legit, not a beast on the mic by any means but he was good enough to catch Lord Finesse's ear when they were putting together that ground breaking click named DITC...Joe scores pretty good in too many areas to not be a top 100 hip-hop act of all-time

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 11:57 am

Fat Joe as a person is a piece of garbage right now, but being a member of DITC, introducing us to Pun(who is the better artist by the way), releasing 3 dope solos, a dope group album, and a good solo(J.O.S.E.) is enough to get the man top 100.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 11:58 am

big pun does NOT factor into the equation for joey at all, he has always had ghostwriters, and O.C. along with EVERYONE else in ditc smashes fat joe hes a big fat huge neither.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:06 pm

Steve wrote:
big pun does NOT factor into the equation for joey at all, he has always had ghostwriters, and O.C. along with EVERYONE else in ditc smashes fat joe hes a big fat huge neither.


Your wrong Steve because he not only brought dude out but he inspired him as well.....Pun is 1000 times better than Joe on the mic, but obviously Pun found inspiration in the man from him being a latino emcee who is from The Bronx like himself, and from him actually being respected in the hood...DITC gave Joe his hood pass man, and all of these things made Pun wanna be down with Joe to begin with...it factors in trust me dawg....Joe is a top 100 hip-hop act of all-time, he's done too much not to be considered...
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:26 pm

Hey, look at the hypcorite wagon at work today. As always, I'm impressed guys Big Grin


Fat Joe wouldn't understand half the words in Tech N9ne's rhyme book, and you can't really judge if the man's got better songs if you've never heard them douche.

OH, also, you wouldn't understand Tech N9ne cuz you're an old fart on the east coast and you don't know what was going on in the streets of the young people in the midwest when he came out so your opinion is invalid.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:36 pm

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Steve wrote:
big pun does NOT factor into the equation for joey at all, he has always had ghostwriters, and O.C. along with EVERYONE else in ditc smashes fat joe hes a big fat huge neither.


Your wrong Steve because he not only brought dude out but he inspired him as well.....Pun is 1000 times better than Joe on the mic, but obviously Pun found inspiration in the man from him being a latino emcee who is from The Bronx like himself, and from him actually being respected in the hood...DITC gave Joe his hood pass man, and all of these things made Pun wanna be down with Joe to begin with...it factors in trust me dawg....Joe is a top 100 hip-hop act of all-time, he's done too much not to be considered...

so fat joe is better than o.c. now???? and you dont care that he has always had ghostwriters? PROVEN fact?????
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:46 pm

Of course not, Fat Joe is bald and old and from New York. What else matters when picking a top 100 nominee for Powell? If they can collect social security and are from NY Powell's voting them in and telling me that I can't possibly concieve of why.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:53 pm

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Of course not, Fat Joe is bald and old and from New York. What else matters when picking a top 100 nominee for Powell? If they can collect social security and are from NY Powell's voting them in and telling me that I can't possibly concieve of why.

N3RO could you please stop sticking your IOWA nose where it doesn't belong??

Steve who were Fat Joe's ghostwriter's dawg?? give me names and songs because I've never heard this information before and no Fat Joe is NOT better than O.C. he's just accomplished waaay more...O.C has him beat by a mile in lyricism...
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:54 pm

N3RO if you need to express yourself against me my dude then create a thread and I will follow you on over there and destroy your non-funny ass...just let me know my dude otherwise GET LOST lil man...lol


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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:55 pm

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N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:
Of course not, Fat Joe is bald and old and from New York. What else matters when picking a top 100 nominee for Powell? If they can collect social security and are from NY Powell's voting them in and telling me that I can't possibly concieve of why.

N3RO could you please stop sticking your IOWA nose where it doesn't belong??

Steve who were Fat Joe's ghostwriter's dawg?? give me names and songs because I've never heard this information before and no Fat Joe is NOT better than O.C. he's just accomplished waaay more...O.C has him beat by a mile in lyricism...

Listen to Don Cartagena and the first TS album, and tell me Fat Joe is not reciting Pun and Cuban Link rhymes. It's blatantly obvious to me.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 12:59 pm

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D.Powell wrote:
N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:
Of course not, Fat Joe is bald and old and from New York. What else matters when picking a top 100 nominee for Powell? If they can collect social security and are from NY Powell's voting them in and telling me that I can't possibly concieve of why.

N3RO could you please stop sticking your IOWA nose where it doesn't belong??

Steve who were Fat Joe's ghostwriter's dawg?? give me names and songs because I've never heard this information before and no Fat Joe is NOT better than O.C. he's just accomplished waaay more...O.C has him beat by a mile in lyricism...

Listen to Don Cartagena and the first TS album, and tell me Fat Joe is not reciting Pun and Cuban Link rhymes. It's blatantly obvious to me.

I've listened to both many times Terry and I don't see it my dude...show me where to LOOK to read this information about him having ghostwriters?? I can tell u that both Bizmarkie and Shante had ghostwriters and I can tell you where it's written, please show where I can read this information about Fat Joe???
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:01 pm

this shit is starting to sound like Hip-Hop forum's rumor mill

Hey Terry did you know that Linker writes alot of N3RO's material on here...lol

I'll bet you didn't know that did ya??
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:06 pm

A few former Terror Squad members have talked about Pun and others ghostwriting for Fat Joe. I believe one even sued. It's the kind of thing where there might not even be a written contract, so it's hard to prove beyond any doubt, and obviously they have reason to lie about it because they're former members for a reason. But, it seems to be a commonly accepted theory.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:10 pm

Fat Joe is just not that good, and he doesn't make music I like. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:10 pm

http://extravagangstaradio.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/link-cuban-link-says-fat-joe-has-used-ghost-writers-for-the-last-10-years/

http://www.rapflava.com/forums/ghostwriter-sues-fat-joe-124713.html

There you go. You can deny it if you want. but where there's smoke there's fire. Nas even ghostwrote for Joe.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:14 pm

And, I gotta add, ghostwriting doesn't automattically disqualify.

I would put both Biz and Beastie Boys in my 100. They all made great music that bangs 20 years later. They are amazing entertainers who aren't the best lyricists. But, they are some of my favorites.

The fact that Joe had ghostwriters and still sucked says alot, though.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:17 pm

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Fat Joe is just not that good, and he doesn't make music I like. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Neither from me.

I kinda agree with that accessment to a point..

Fat Joe whether someone wrote something for him or not is an average to below average lyricist...so Pun and Linx must've thrown him some of their bullshit lyrics I guess...lol

but he's still a top 100 hip-hop act of all-time IMO, he's done enough to be there IMO
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:24 pm

Oh and Terry, I can't tell If Linx and this unknown dude from VA are both lying on Joe, really the only person I would believe from Terror Squad that Joe did not write his own shit is no longer among the living so we will never really know if this is true or not, I honestly don't think Pun is capable of writing average to corny lyrics like some of the ones your saying he gave Joe man....lol
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 1:50 pm

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Oh and Terry, I can't tell If Linx and this unknown dude from VA are both lying on Joe, really the only person I would believe from Terror Squad that Joe did not write his own shit is no longer among the living so we will never really know if this is true or not, I honestly don't think Pun is capable of writing average to corny lyrics like some of the ones your saying he gave Joe man....lol

I agree that their motives and character may be suspect. Also it shouldn't disqualify him either, but it can't really help.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 2:04 pm

Fat Joe gets a big, fat neither.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:29 pm

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this shit is starting to sound like Hip-Hop forum's rumor mill

Hey Terry did you know that Linker writes alot of N3RO's material on here...lol

I'll bet you didn't know that did ya??


Here you go Powell:

http://extravagangstaradio.wordpress.com/2008/02/08/link-cuban-link-says-fat-joe-has-used-ghost-writers-for-the-last-10-years/

"Former Terror Squad member Triple Seis also went on record when asked who had written Fat Joe's lyrics, stating that he and Pun were Joe's ghostwriters, and asserts that Joe continues to hire ghostwriters."

http://www.hiphop-universe.com/underground/hip-hop-universe/96767-ghostwriter-sues-fat-joe.html

"On February 15, 2007 a lawsuit was filed in Norfolk, VA at the Eastern District of Virginia Federal Court by VA rapper Face Dirty a.k.a. Christopher Chapman and his attorney Duncan Byers. After allowing ample time for Universal and Fat Joe to respond to the allegations, Chapman and his attorney decided enough was enough.

Chapman is suing Universal/Motown Records for “gross, wrongful, and willful access" through [former] A&R Antwon Barnes and copyright infringement in regards to the label and Fat Joe/Terror Squad.

“Universal/Motown Records can not hide behind their representative. These record labels know the reputation of these A&Rs before they hire them,” Byers said.

The question of winning or losing this case rests on the ability to prove access to Chapman’s material and the copying of the material. Byers admitted he was told directly by industry execs that Fat Joe doesn’t write any of his own material, it is handed to him. “He is the face man.” Chapman and Byers have physical proof of access so they only need show “common elements” of the two versions.

“Once you strip away certain structural elements used in rap music such as the rhythm and beats the core element is the same.” In this case the core element being the intent behind “Lean Back”, not only the expression lean back, but the dance as well.

The complaint seeks back royalties and future royalties from the song “Lean Back,” punitive damages, court costs, attorney fees, and all rights to “Lean Back.” Under federal statute, the attorney fees are recoverable on the basis of the copyright suit itself.

Universal/Motown Records and Fat Joe/Terror Squad are being subpoenaed by the U.S. Marshals, but a few “procedural” issues are being addressed.

The VA court in which the suit has been filed is known for having “Rocket Dockets,” meaning they process civil cases faster than any other courts in VA and they don’t grant motions. The case is assigned to Judge Jerome B. Friedman, but is not assigned a court date as of yet. Generally, it takes anywhere from six to eight months from the date a suit is filed to grant a court date. Chapman is looking at a timeline between August and October of this year if there is no settlement made before the court date.

“If they’re dumb enough to do me the good service of going to court, damn right I’m going to win,” Chapman says.

At this point Universal and Fat Joe have very few options. A couple of options are to settle out of court to avoid a trial or to battle this out in court that would turn into a media circus.

According to Byers, “I don’t think Chris is even willing to settle at this point. He has been dragged through the mud and tossed to the side by these industry executives.”
If this goes to court than all parties tied to the production and creative control of “Lean Back” will have to appear in court. Just to give an idea of the people that would have to appear in court- Fat Joe, Scott Storch, Remy, Lil Jon, and Eminem to name a few. The courtroom would turn into a star-studded event.

To recap; in 2005 a story broke regarding VA rapper, Christopher Chapman a.k.a. Face Dirty, alleging that Fat Joe stole “Lean Back.” At the time Universal along with Fat Joe’s camp denied all allegations and basically dismissed the claims.

To give a little more background to the story, Chapman became acquainted with Antwon Barnes after he was given Barnes’ telephone number by a VA music manager with ties to Universal/Motown A&Rs.

Chapman and Barnes conversed on the phone over a period of roughly four months during which time Barnes solicited and showed interest in Chapman’s music. Barnes began to dodge Chapman's calls and eventually told Chapman that Universal was no longer interested in him as an artist and to “rethink 'Lean Back’” because Fat Joe was coming out with a “summer banga” with the same name. Universal confirms receiving a package from Chapman, but denies that Barnes’ opened it. Ironically, it turned up that they did not have a submission from him.

“They’re pulling the White House, ‘We lost the emails' defense,” states Byers. “I don’t believe in that many coincidences.”

A couple of months later, “Lean Back” is a hit and Fat Joe reaps all the benefits. Chapman began to play the game of cat and mouse with the label, Barnes, and Fat Joe. Chapman was tired of the games, hired an attorney and so the drama began.

After more then two years Face Dirty is frustrated with the process. He claims that he has missed out on deals with Columbia Records, TVT, and Warner Bros. By signing with another label he would have to dismiss the whole “Lean Back” case and according to him, “it’s about principles.” Chapman also said, “Don Cartagena ain’t real; he ain’t gangsta.”

The question remains, did it really “take a down south brotha to bring ya boy back?”

Very few cases have dealt with rap music and copyright infringement to this exact. If Chapman were to win it would a new legal precedent.

“It is no doubt in my mind that the jury will do the right thing. It’s so common that it is painful for young starving artist to have their material stolen because these major labels can get away with it. Sorry to say, but it’s time for these music industry execs to face the music.”

Hopefully it will not take another two years to find out."



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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:34 pm

I find it hard to believe Joe would get somebody to write those average lyrics.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:34 pm

Umm Steve we were done talking about this about 2 hours ago man, you must've been taking a shit when this was occuring..lol

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:35 pm

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I find it hard to believe Joe would get somebody to write those average lyrics.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:43 pm

LMAO!! He's so damn average that he's top 100, huh? lol
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:46 pm

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LMAO!! He's so damn average that he's top 100, huh? lol

Q-Tip is average on the mic IMO

Guru is average on the mic IMO

2Pac is average on the mic IMO

Fresh Prince is average to below-average on the mic IMO

these and many more a few of the guys I voted for top 100 and so did you, actually I voted top 50 for three of them (excluding The Fresh Prince who I voted top 100), so what's the point Alan??
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:50 pm

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LMAO!! He's so damn average that he's top 100, huh? lol

Q-Tip is average on the mic IMO

Guru is average on the mic IMO

2Pac is average on the mic IMO

Fresh Prince is average to below-average on the mic IMO

these and many more a few of the guys I voted for top 100 and so did you, actually I voted top 50 for three of them (excluding The Fresh Prince who I voted top 100), so what's the point Alan??

None of those rappers are average IMO. And all would eat Joe alive...

I just found it funny that you (& Kev) basically threw all the ghostwriting "evidence" out the window because his lyrics are so average to begin with....but still feel he's top 100. lol
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 3:55 pm

I agree that they would all smother Joe but Pounds is Q-Tip ridiculous to you on the mic??

how about Pac??

Guru??

Fresh Prince?? I'm not so sure he would beat Fat Joe in battle by the way..lol

as for the ghostwriting "evidence" I don't see "evidence" and it doesn't take a lawyer to figure that one out...lol

Unless Joe admits it or Pun comes back to life then it's bullshit to me man
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:01 pm

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I agree that they would all smother Joe but Pounds is Q-Tip ridiculous to you on the mic??

how about Pac??

Guru??

Fresh Prince?? I'm not so sure he would beat Fat Joe in battle by the way..lol

as for the ghostwriting "evidence" I don't see "evidence" and it doesn't take a lawyer to figure that one out...lol

Unless Joe admits it or Pun comes back to life then it's bullshit to me man

Q-Tip? He's got one of the most musical flows in hip-hop. He is excellent IMO. Guru is definitely above average IMO. I guess people dog on him a lot, but he was always had a tight jazzy flow IMO. Pac is much better, and The Fresh Prince in his prime would easily get him IMO. I mean, his lyrics may have been juvenile, light-hearted and fun, but they were delivered excellently, much of the time with speed and precision....especially in the 1987-89 period....I don't think it's even a question.

I put "evidence" in parenthesis because I know it's not evidence. It could very well be BS. But you and Kev drew a conclusion based off of it anyway. That's all I found funny.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:02 pm

Also Powell, we are not talking about flow. We are talking about lyrics....so I guess we both went off track there.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:04 pm

KRob86 wrote:
I find it hard to believe Joe would get somebody to write those average lyrics.

Kev, you can't honestly believe that. His whole rhyme scheme was different on Don Cartagena. He was rhyming like Pun on a lot of thoses songs. The prrof is there once you look for it.

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:04 pm

Powell, there is an actual lawsuit against him, and one of his closest old associates Cuban Linx, and another member of his crew all said he did...why would make this up? Did Jay-Z get accused of this? Biggie? Pac? Nope...know why? Cuz they didn't, and Fat Joe did.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:47 pm

Fat Joe and top 100 hip hop acts ever should never be in the same sentence.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 4:58 pm

Neither, I've never really felt Joe save for a few songs. He's better than Lil Wayne, but that's not saying much.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:31 pm

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I find it hard to believe Joe would get somebody to write those average lyrics.

Kev, you can't honestly believe that. His whole rhyme scheme was different on Don Cartagena. He was rhyming like Pun on a lot of thoses songs. The prrof is there once you look for it.

I don't know Terry that's really my point, have you guys ever heard of motivation? Maybe Pun made him step it up maybe Pun did help him structure a betta flow/pattern for that album but I highly doubt Joe does not write any of his rhymes. We may be surprised how many rappers use ghost writers or maybe there "homeboy" helped write a trk. But I am not listening to a bunch of salty jokers that all of sudden want to bring up the ghost writing. Take Diddy and Dre for example they both have ghostwriters and that is well known and I can tell because they be kcikin some real lyrical tight ish most of the time Dre more so than Diddy but you get the point.

And I agree with Powell their are plenty of average rappers in the top 100, nothing wrong with average.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:40 pm

What about the best of the best no writing mofo Eazy-E. His lyrics are basic, but he made them sound epic.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:44 pm

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LMAO!! He's so damn average that he's top 100, huh? lol

Q-Tip is average on the mic IMO

Guru is average on the mic IMO

2Pac is average on the mic IMO

Fresh Prince is average to below-average on the mic IMO

these and many more a few of the guys I voted for top 100 and so did you, actually I voted top 50 for three of them (excluding The Fresh Prince who I voted top 100), so what's the point Alan??

Pac and Q-Tip are WELL above average on the mic Powell, they border on GREAT more times than not.

All those guys are better than Fat Joe IMHO.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:50 pm

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Q-Tip? He's got one of the most musical flows in hip-hop. He is excellent IMO.

Co-Sign. I think Powell underrates Q-Tip because he's not a battle rapper. But he's an EXCELLENT lyricist! Definitely better than average. Personally I think he's GREAT! He's a BILLION TIMES better than Fat Joe!

I'd even take Phife over Fat Joe's bitch ass!!
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:55 pm

KRob86 wrote:
T. Myers wrote:
KRob86 wrote:
I find it hard to believe Joe would get somebody to write those average lyrics.

Kev, you can't honestly believe that. His whole rhyme scheme was different on Don Cartagena. He was rhyming like Pun on a lot of thoses songs. The prrof is there once you look for it.

I don't know Terry that's really my point, have you guys ever heard of motivation? Maybe Pun made him step it up maybe Pun did help him structure a betta flow/pattern for that album but I highly doubt Joe does not write any of his rhymes. We may be surprised how many rappers use ghost writers or maybe there "homeboy" helped write a trk. But I am not listening to a bunch of salty jokers that all of sudden want to bring up the ghost writing. Take Diddy and Dre for example they both have ghostwriters and that is well known and I can tell because they be kcikin some real lyrical tight ish most of the time Dre more so than Diddy but you get the point.

And I agree with Powell their are plenty of average rappers in the top 100, nothing wrong with average.

so Joe has only been motivated to sound dope on just two of the albums he's been a part of? Bravo Joe, Bravo!

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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 7:55 pm

To me KJ just like you think Cool J is above-average on the mic I think Pac and Q-Tip are average on the mic man, again this is my opinion dawg! I still know they are both LEGENDS and in the end that's all that counts...
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:02 pm

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To me KJ just like you think Cool J is above-average on the mic I think Pac and Q-Tip are average on the mic man, again this is my opinion dawg! I still know they are both LEGENDS and in the end that's all that counts...

It's all good Powell, but again I think you underrate guys like Tip and Pac because they aren't battle rappers, and those seem to be your favs. Don't get me wrong, I love battle rappers too, but Q-Tip has put out some of the dopest shit of all time. Dope lyrics are dope lyrics regardless of style.

I can't see an AVERAGE rapper having 4 classics man. One classic maybe, but FOUR? I just can't see it. I felt The Renaissance was a classic, although it probably isn't an consensus classic. But he definitely has 3 consensus classics. I don't see how an average MC can do that. I really don't.

I know it's all opinion, just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:21 pm

KJ does Cool J have 3 classics man??

Cause I can't see how an above-average emcee can have 3 of those either...lol

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if you add All World (his greatest hits) then you've got 4 classics from a bonafide proven LEGEND, but for some reason you think he's overrated and above-average, but I understand because it's all opinion man and for the record I don't only like battle emcees...CL Smooth is not battle emcee but he is certainly a legend to me and is above-average in everyway...lyrically I like him better than Q-Tip although I think Q-Tip made much better songs...
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:33 pm

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KJ does Cool J have 3 classics man??

Cause I can't see how an above-average emcee can have 3 of those either...lol

Radio
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Mama Said Knock You Out

if you add All World (his greatest hits) then you've got 4 classics from a bonafide proven LEGEND, but for some reason you think he's overrated and above-average, but I understand because it's all opinion man and for the record I don't only like battle emcees...CL Smooth is not battle emcee but he is certainly a legend to me and is above-average in everyway...lyrically I like him better than Q-Tip although I think Q-Tip made much better songs...

I can see above average MC's having multiple classics. EPMD, Guru, CL Smooth (as you just mentioned), Ice-T, UGK, Showbiz & AG, Treach, and Little Brother all have more than one classic IMO.

LL bordered on great at times in his prime. The reason I don't call him a GREAT lyricist is because he's not on a level with guys like Rakim, KRS, Nas, Jay Z, or Black Thought.

I just think with as long as he's been out, he should have been more consistent. He hasn't even had a 4 star album since Mr Smith in 1996. GOAT and Exit 13 were about 3.5, but 12 years is a long time to have not dropped a great album, especially for someone egotistical enough to call himself the greatest of all time.

I agree that LL is a legend, there's no denying that. But Heavy D can be considered a legend as well, and he's an above average lyricist too.


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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:36 pm

IMO GOAT and Exit 13 were both 4 star efforts man so your wrong there, and lyrically he's has been more on the level of Rakim, Nas, and Kris way more than guys like Q-Tip,CL Smooth, Pac, and Guru and I think he could take out everyone of those guys in a battle except Kris and possibly Nas but that one is debatable...I'd pay to see those two go at it and may the best man win...lol
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PostSubject: Re: 100 Greatest Nominee Day 64 (C)   Mon 22 Jun 2009, 8:41 pm

D.Powell wrote:
IMO GOAT and Exit 13 were both 4 star efforts man so your wrong there, and lyrically he's has been more on the level of Rakim, Nas, and Kris way more than guys like Q-Tip,CL Smooth, Pac, and Guru and I think he could take out everyone of those guys in a battle except Kris and possibly Nas but that one is debatable...I'd pay to see those two go at it and may the best man win...lol

You think LL can take Rakim???? I beg to differ. Rakim has never been in a battle, but I think he could do it if motivated. I don't think he can see Rakim with bi-focals on.
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