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Subject: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 4:21 pm
I suppose an argument can be made that being entertaining can be considered a skill, but for the purpose of this thread, let's focus on artists that are lyrically shitty but their personality or beats make them fun to bump.
To start things off...Too $hort
Short is by no means a lyricist. He has one of the most simple and unchanged styles in all of hip hop but he will always be one my all time favorites because of his straight talk. He doesn't fuck with metaphors, he just tells a bitch to suck his dick and go get that dough...over and over and over again...but it's always entertaining to me and always will be. Plus he always has pretty dope production. So who's next?
And let's try to justify these answers rather than just list them so it gives us more to talk about. Perhaps just one artist at a time?
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 4:27 pm
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:03 pm
I have to go with Run DMC to start things up. I mean dudes have simple flows, corny lyrics, and simple beats and they practically just yell into the mic, but I still find them very entertaining and have all their albums. It just works together I guess for some energetic, feel good music for the most part. And the beats tend to hit hard and the topics are something most people can relate to so I dig that.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:35 pm
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
I have to go with Run DMC to start things up. I mean dudes have simple flows, corny lyrics, and simple beats and they practically just yell into the mic, but I still find them very entertaining and have all their albums. It just works together I guess for some energetic, feel good music for the most part. And the beats tend to hit hard and the topics are something most people can relate to so I dig that.
Run DMC shits on Too Short lyrically and flow wise. Just sayin.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:37 pm
KJ Styles wrote:
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
I have to go with Run DMC to start things up. I mean dudes have simple flows, corny lyrics, and simple beats and they practically just yell into the mic, but I still find them very entertaining and have all their albums. It just works together I guess for some energetic, feel good music for the most part. And the beats tend to hit hard and the topics are something most people can relate to so I dig that.
Run DMC shits on Too Short lyrically and flow wise. Just sayin.
I beg to differ, I think the opposite is true. Too $hort is much better story teller and overall emcee than anyone in Run DMC.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:39 pm
As for my pick, I'll go with Diddy. He's obviously got ghostwriters, but No Way Out is a great album and The Saga Continues was pretty good IMO as well. Bad Boy was pretty dominant in the mid to late 90's and was relevant through the mid 2000's and Diddy was one of the reasons for that.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:40 pm
Yeah, Diddy is a good pick, he's the east coast version of Baby.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:43 pm
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
I have to go with Run DMC to start things up. I mean dudes have simple flows, corny lyrics, and simple beats and they practically just yell into the mic, but I still find them very entertaining and have all their albums. It just works together I guess for some energetic, feel good music for the most part. And the beats tend to hit hard and the topics are something most people can relate to so I dig that.
Run DMC shits on Too Short lyrically and flow wise. Just sayin.
I beg to differ, I think the opposite is true. Too $hort is much better story teller and overall emcee than anyone in Run DMC.
Run-DMC's mass appeal worldwide and being the most recognizable rap act in history would say otherwise.
90% of Too Short's stories are about sex and pimpin. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not anything overly impressive, and Short had weak lyrics even by 80's standards.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:43 pm
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
Yeah, Diddy is a good pick, he's the east coast version of Baby.
I'd say he's the East Coast version of Dre. Not as a producer, but on the mic because neither wrote their lyrics.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:49 pm
KJ you really need to know what you are speaking on before you put stuff out there.
And Too Short is not talentless so he should not be mentioned in this fucking thread at all. I guess you really just mean rappers not known for their lyricism. Wand you are obvisoul;y not a long time fan of Short for those comments. You must started listening to him around Chase The Cat? Because his albums was much more than pimping hoes and getting his dick sucked.
Now for people I pick that are entertaining but not known for their lyricism:
Too Short DJ Quik Run DMC EPMD 2nd II None Project Pat Kanye West DMX AMG Hi-C E-40 Smiff N Wessun Das Efx Dayton Family Raekwon Diddy Eazy E Willie D Bushwick Bill 5th Ward Boyz
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 5:54 pm
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:01 pm
KJ didn't you just state that you've never bought an album of $hort? How can you properly judge when he has so many tracks that you've never heard? Songs like Giving Up The Funk & Funk Session are some of my favorites. I like Run DMC, and they for sure have more universally known songs, but $hort is not getting deuced on by Run & D lyrically at all.
First to mind on this topic, however talentless is harsh on any of these examples, is Mike Jones. He has charisma and lines that get stuck in your head. Haven't heard from him in a while, but when he was on, lines like "My big bills so swoll that I can't even fold 'em up" just couldn't help themselves from getting repeated. I have a buddy that doesn't really like rap much, and instead of the word yes (in agreement of something) used to say Mike Jones (the way he says it on tracks). Not sure why, but it was pretty funny none the less.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:05 pm
KJ, listen to this please.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:09 pm
Project Pat comes to mind. I wouldn't say he is talentless, but he's average. There's just something about his flow over those Paul and Juicy J beats that i find entertaining.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:17 pm
Deanie O'Banion wrote:
KJ, listen to this please.
I've heard this song before Shaw and it's quite good. The flow is better than most Short songs and it has subject matter but that doesn't make it lyrical. I can post several Run-DMC songs that are more lyrical than that one but dudes like you, SRP, and Kev will never agree so it's a moot point.
Run-DMC weren't lyrical dynamos, but compared to Too Short they sound like Rakim or Nas.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:22 pm
Nice, I'm glad. I wasn't saying one is better than the other, but I do have every Run DMC album except for Down With The King, to be able to properly judge...that's all I meant.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:25 pm
T. Myers wrote:
Project Pat comes to mind. I wouldn't say he is talentless, but he's average. There's just something about his flow over those Paul and Juicy J beats that i find entertaining.
Project Pat got flow for days though... that cadence is crazy. But yeah, I'm not taking Wands words literal to mean like who do we think is retarded but makes entertaining music. I find some of Gucci Mane's shit entertaining, but he has little in talent. Same with Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz... mase... tony yayo... Rodney O and Joe Cooley not the most complex people but some of my favs too.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:40 pm
Speaking on Three 6 affiliates, did anybody get this...any good? worth a dl at least?
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:42 pm
It's on Spotify. I spun it quick, it was cool. Def. worth a DL, but you should check out I Grind, I Hustle first. It just came out last week.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 6:46 pm
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
It's on Spotify. I spun it quick, it was cool. Def. worth a DL, but you should check out I Grind, I Hustle first. It just came out last week.
2 in 6 months? I'll look for both.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 7:01 pm
Yeah, and the I Grind I hustle is a two disc set...
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 7:56 pm
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
Funny that you say all of that shit Kev, yet you named Short on your list of "dudes who have talent yet aren't known for their lyricism". You basically contradicted yourself with that one.
All I'm saying was that on the mic, Short was mediorce at best. I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity in the rap game but he wasn't anything special on the mic. He wasn't even considered one of the best MC's when he was in his prime. And the Master P comparison is fair because both guys managed to sell tons of records in their prime despite being limited on the mic. He might have been slightly better than P, but that's not saying much.
And DJ Quik and Das EFX (whom you named on your list) WERE known for their lyricism. Quik might be better known for production, but he's quite the MC at least flow wise. Das were known for their unique style.
And to SRP, Run had flow for days in his prime!
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 8:11 pm
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
Funny that you say all of that shit Kev, yet you named Short on your list of "dudes who have talent yet aren't known for their lyricism". You basically contradicted yourself with that one.
All I'm saying was that on the mic, Short was mediorce at best. I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity in the rap game but he wasn't anything special on the mic. He wasn't even considered one of the best MC's when he was in his prime. And the Master P comparison is fair because both guys managed to sell tons of records in their prime despite being limited on the mic. He might have been slightly better than P, but that's not saying much.
And DJ Quik and Das EFX (whom you named on your list) WERE known for their lyricism. Quik might be better known for production, but he's quite the MC at least flow wise. Das were known for their unique style.
And to SRP, Run had flow for days in his prime!
Its not a contradiction I sad Short is not "KNOWN" for his lyricism. So whatcha sayin?
And its obvious bias and just a limited view on dope rappers who do not fit your comfort zone. You are contradictive because you show luv to rappers like Just Ice, Buck Shot, Das Efx, Run Dmc, Phife, and others who are average on the mic but front on rappers from other coast. That is why I must call you out. Too Short is known for his dope rhymes mostly from his early work of course. Most real Short fans know this. We are not fans because he said bitch its the other shit he kicked that made as fans.
And Quik is never really ranked as a lyricist. Even though im by book he is for his lane. But I overstand he is not KNOWN for that.
And Wand what made you say talentless? I do not listen to any rappers that are talentless.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 8:36 pm
Talentless was a bad choice of a word, admittedly. That's why I said that entertaining people can arguably be a talent. Anyway...
I actually have all of Short's albums (solo studio albums at least), except for maybe the last couple, and I can't think of any song, especially his early work, where he shines lyrically. He's always been a great storyteller and he even dips into more respectable subject matter sometimes, but IMO, he's a poor "rapper".
And I co-sign Project Pat to the fullest. Simple but effective. I can't stand his last few albums, though.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 8:38 pm
And also, I think we should judge 80s rappers by 80s standards. Barely anybody in the 80s was lyrical in the sense that we commonly mean. And yes, I know there were SOME so lets not waste time naming them.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 8:40 pm
And Gucci was also a good pick. He has to be borderline retarded but I still don't mind his shit in the right setting. It's just good plain, ignant fun.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 8:59 pm
Wanduras wrote:
And Gucci was also a good pick. He has to be borderline retarded but I still don't mind his shit in the right setting. It's just good plain, ignant fun.
I've always admitted that the ONLY song I've can say I like by Gucci is "Wasted" and that was mainly because of the track.
To throw a pick in this one, I can say Young Jeezy is "entertaining but talentless".
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 9:03 pm
Project Pat is that dude
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 9:28 pm
Wanduras wrote:
Talentless was a bad choice of a word, admittedly. That's why I said that entertaining people can arguably be a talent. Anyway...
I actually have all of Short's albums (solo studio albums at least), except for maybe the last couple, and I can't think of any song, especially his early work, where he shines lyrically. He's always been a great storyteller and he even dips into more respectable subject matter sometimes, but IMO, he's a poor "rapper".
And I co-sign Project Pat to the fullest. Simple but effective. I can't stand his last few albums, though.
Well you must have a different outlook on lyricism. Or maybe you are judging his flow and style. If you are comparing Shorts lyricism to Nas of course he's a "poor" rapper. But when you look at Short for Short he had some dope dope rhymes. Obviously you are not listening really. Go listen to Paystyle & Rhymes and tell me Short is not kicking that shit. He's not fliping big words are solving the true story of the anit-christ but he is a good writer. Too Short is word for word one of the best fundamental rappers ever. He sucks now though and may be slowly killing his legacy.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 10:51 pm
KJ Styles wrote:
SyRuP Sippa wrote:
I have to go with Run DMC to start things up. I mean dudes have simple flows, corny lyrics, and simple beats and they practically just yell into the mic, but I still find them very entertaining and have all their albums. It just works together I guess for some energetic, feel good music for the most part. And the beats tend to hit hard and the topics are something most people can relate to so I dig that.
Run DMC shits on Too Short lyrically and flow wise. Just sayin.
I can't quite understand why you even said this. SRP didn't say anything about $hort in his post. My only guess is that you had to disprove him for saying Run DMC. There is no right or wrong answer here.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Mon 07 Nov 2011, 11:49 pm
Laced With Slang wrote:
Project Pat is that dude
ditto
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 12:11 am
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
Funny that you say all of that shit Kev, yet you named Short on your list of "dudes who have talent yet aren't known for their lyricism". You basically contradicted yourself with that one.
All I'm saying was that on the mic, Short was mediorce at best. I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity in the rap game but he wasn't anything special on the mic. He wasn't even considered one of the best MC's when he was in his prime. And the Master P comparison is fair because both guys managed to sell tons of records in their prime despite being limited on the mic. He might have been slightly better than P, but that's not saying much.
And DJ Quik and Das EFX (whom you named on your list) WERE known for their lyricism. Quik might be better known for production, but he's quite the MC at least flow wise. Das were known for their unique style.
And to SRP, Run had flow for days in his prime!
Its not a contradiction I sad Short is not "KNOWN" for his lyricism. So whatcha sayin?
And its obvious bias and just a limited view on dope rappers who do not fit your comfort zone. You are contradictive because you show luv to rappers like Just Ice, Buck Shot, Das Efx, Run Dmc, Phife, and others who are average on the mic but front on rappers from other coast. That is why I must call you out. Too Short is known for his dope rhymes mostly from his early work of course. Most real Short fans know this. We are not fans because he said bitch its the other shit he kicked that made as fans.
Phife is dope as fuck on the mic. Guys like you just aren't into ATCQ or smooth rap in general so you front on him. You do the exact same shit that you accuse me of, front on rappers from other coasts.
You front on any east coast rapper that isn't hardcore/gangsta. While I admit that most of my favorites are from the East Coast, there are MC's from the West, South, and Midwest that I absolutely love.
Phife at times outshined Q-Tip on the mic so he's definitely above average lyrically. Too Short definitely has memorable material that can be considered classic and he's a legend in the rap game, but he's not lyrical. All of those guys you named are better line for line lyricists than Short.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 12:21 am
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
Funny that you say all of that shit Kev, yet you named Short on your list of "dudes who have talent yet aren't known for their lyricism". You basically contradicted yourself with that one.
All I'm saying was that on the mic, Short was mediorce at best. I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity in the rap game but he wasn't anything special on the mic. He wasn't even considered one of the best MC's when he was in his prime. And the Master P comparison is fair because both guys managed to sell tons of records in their prime despite being limited on the mic. He might have been slightly better than P, but that's not saying much.
And DJ Quik and Das EFX (whom you named on your list) WERE known for their lyricism. Quik might be better known for production, but he's quite the MC at least flow wise. Das were known for their unique style.
And to SRP, Run had flow for days in his prime!
Its not a contradiction I sad Short is not "KNOWN" for his lyricism. So whatcha sayin?
And its obvious bias and just a limited view on dope rappers who do not fit your comfort zone. You are contradictive because you show luv to rappers like Just Ice, Buck Shot, Das Efx, Run Dmc, Phife, and others who are average on the mic but front on rappers from other coast. That is why I must call you out. Too Short is known for his dope rhymes mostly from his early work of course. Most real Short fans know this. We are not fans because he said bitch its the other shit he kicked that made as fans.
Phife is dope as fuck on the mic. Guys like you just aren't into ATCQ or smooth rap in general so you front on him. You do the exact same shit that you accuse me of, front on rappers from other coasts.
You front on any east coast rapper that isn't hardcore/gangsta. While I admit that most of my favorites are from the East Coast, there are MC's from the West, South, and Midwest that I absolutely love.
Phife at times outshined Q-Tip on the mic so he's definitely above average lyrically. Too Short definitely has memorable material that can be considered classic and he's a legend in the rap game, but he's not lyrical. All of those guys you named are better line for line lyricists than Short.
Phife is dope on the mic. I'm not saying he isn't. But you are saying Short isn't. I was just trying to open your eyes to how ignorant you are sounding. Phife is not a str8 up lyricist but he is lyrical but I know you see him as so much more than Short Dog. When Short Dog in his prime is the overall better rapper. And before you go off think about the word OVERALL.
Anyway I don't front on east coast acts I just see them for what they are and do not have the deeper connection you and others may have with some of the older east coast acts. I do not over hype their talent. I just get a kick out of how guys like you clown rappers from other areas for their skill then turn around and praise an average rapper from the east. Nothing more or less.
For example you just said every rapper on my list is better than Short. And I put Eazy on that list...more ignorance on your part. Or a lame attempt to short box with Tic Almighty.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 1:42 am
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
KJ Styles wrote:
I agree with you on Short. Dude is an terrible lyricist who's gotten by because of his pimp tales and you really don't have to have lyrics to sell records in the West (or at least you didn't back then). I like a few of his songs, but I've never liked him enough to buy any of his albums. He's basically the West Coast version of Master P.
Now that I read this even more because I only read the first two lines. I see how uninformed and ignorant you are. You did not have to have lyrics to sell on the east coast either. So what type of stupid bias ass comment was that. Comparing Master P to Short is very disrespectful and I can't let that ride. Especially when you go cum shot for so many half assed east coast rappers.
Funny that you say all of that shit Kev, yet you named Short on your list of "dudes who have talent yet aren't known for their lyricism". You basically contradicted yourself with that one.
All I'm saying was that on the mic, Short was mediorce at best. I respect what he's been able to accomplish and his longevity in the rap game but he wasn't anything special on the mic. He wasn't even considered one of the best MC's when he was in his prime. And the Master P comparison is fair because both guys managed to sell tons of records in their prime despite being limited on the mic. He might have been slightly better than P, but that's not saying much.
And DJ Quik and Das EFX (whom you named on your list) WERE known for their lyricism. Quik might be better known for production, but he's quite the MC at least flow wise. Das were known for their unique style.
And to SRP, Run had flow for days in his prime!
Its not a contradiction I sad Short is not "KNOWN" for his lyricism. So whatcha sayin?
And its obvious bias and just a limited view on dope rappers who do not fit your comfort zone. You are contradictive because you show luv to rappers like Just Ice, Buck Shot, Das Efx, Run Dmc, Phife, and others who are average on the mic but front on rappers from other coast. That is why I must call you out. Too Short is known for his dope rhymes mostly from his early work of course. Most real Short fans know this. We are not fans because he said bitch its the other shit he kicked that made as fans.
Phife is dope as fuck on the mic. Guys like you just aren't into ATCQ or smooth rap in general so you front on him. You do the exact same shit that you accuse me of, front on rappers from other coasts.
You front on any east coast rapper that isn't hardcore/gangsta. While I admit that most of my favorites are from the East Coast, there are MC's from the West, South, and Midwest that I absolutely love.
Phife at times outshined Q-Tip on the mic so he's definitely above average lyrically. Too Short definitely has memorable material that can be considered classic and he's a legend in the rap game, but he's not lyrical. All of those guys you named are better line for line lyricists than Short.
Phife is dope on the mic. I'm not saying he isn't. But you are saying Short isn't. I was just trying to open your eyes to how ignorant you are sounding. Phife is not a str8 up lyricist but he is lyrical but I know you see him as so much more than Short Dog. When Short Dog in his prime is the overall better rapper. And before you go off think about the word OVERALL.
Anyway I don't front on east coast acts I just see them for what they are and do not have the deeper connection you and others may have with some of the older east coast acts. I do not over hype their talent. I just get a kick out of how guys like you clown rappers from other areas for their skill then turn around and praise an average rapper from the east. Nothing more or less.
For example you just said every rapper on my list is better than Short. And I put Eazy on that list...more ignorance on your part. Or a lame attempt to short box with Tic Almighty.
LMAO @ Tic Almighty?? You're claiming to be God or some higher power now? GTFOHWTBS!!
And I didn't say every rapper on your original list was better than Short. I said the rappers you named on you most recent post to me were better lyricists than Short.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 3:32 pm
Just Ice, Buck Shot, Run, & Das?
Of course prime vs. prime I do not think they were overall better. They were better than him in some aspects but that works both ways.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 5:29 pm
Tic706 wrote:
Just Ice, Buck Shot, Run, & Das?
Of course prime vs. prime I do not think they were overall better. They were better than him in some aspects but that works both ways.
Yep, Yep, Yep, and Yep.
Run had flow for days in his prime, and Buck and Das EFX were far better line for line lyricists.
Honestly, I think this was a bad topic title. I don't think Short was completely void of talent, but lyrically I feel he's well below average. I can understand his appeal to some people, but overall he isn't really a standout MC. He wasn't even considered an elite rapper back in the 80's.
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 6:23 pm
I like the general civility of these posts. Jeezy is a really good pick
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 9:28 pm
KJ Styles wrote:
Tic706 wrote:
Just Ice, Buck Shot, Run, & Das?
Of course prime vs. prime I do not think they were overall better. They were better than him in some aspects but that works both ways.
Yep, Yep, Yep, and Yep.
Run had flow for days in his prime, and Buck and Das EFX were far better line for line lyricists.
Honestly, I think this was a bad topic title. I don't think Short was completely void of talent, but lyrically I feel he's well below average. I can understand his appeal to some people, but overall he isn't really a standout MC. He wasn't even considered an elite rapper back in the 80's.
Thats like saying the Jews were not considered outstanding citizens in Germany. Or Blacks were not considered the best in the 1600's. Get it?
Too Short was considered an "elite" rapper in my neck of the woods. I'm sure he was in Oakland and CA period also. So now you speak for the USA?
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Subject: Re: Entertaining But Talentless Tue 08 Nov 2011, 9:38 pm