Top 10 Greatest (East) #15

Heavy D

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LMAO @ Heavy D cracking a top 10.

LMAO @ you still even being here.

You really need to start listening to more east coast rap if you think heavy d has any place in a top 10.


so what is your east coast top 10 there fly boy, especially with 3 spots already taken up by nas, jay-z and biggie.

Biggie Smalls
Jay-Z
Nas
Treach
Heavy D
KRS-One
Kane
LL Cool J
Redman
Talib Kweli


There it is...so Heavy D gets in over Pharoahe Monch with no recent work (no album in FIFTEEN YEARS), gets in over Rakim, gets in over Black Thought, in over all of the wu-tang solos, etc. and he has ZERO classic albums. what a joke. you probably just like him cuz hes a fat fuck like you.

Like it matters who I list because it's all just my personal fav's, if I made an objective list Heavy D would not be in the top 10 but this is who I prefer:

Nas
Jay-Z
Treach
Biggie Smalls
Heavy D
Kane
KRS-One
Redman
LL Cool J
Ghostface Killah/Talib Kweli

It's a no go for me...

Neither

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Steve wrote:

LMAO @ Heavy D cracking a top 10.

Dude's got a lot more diversity than most NY emcees, and has all the skills to back it up. Whether it's a message track, a pop track, a crossover track, or straight up boom bap, dude shines all the time. He may not have a consensus classic, but he's got plenty more classic songs than many golden age greats from the east. And as you know Steve, this is all a matter of opinion. We're not trying to make Rolling Stone's top 10 here.

Like I said Pounds, the East is WAAAY too stacked. Plus, he has these two things working against him:

NO, NONE, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH classic albums. And we're talking top ten in a region with KRS, Rakim, Slick Rick, LL, G Rap, etc., etc.

NO albums since 1994. He should be disqualified for that alone.

I like Heavy D a lot, but he's not in my Top 10 in the East. He'd probably make my Top 20 though.

Heavy D's last full-fledged rap album was in 1999, not 1994. He also released an album last year, though reggae was the dominant style there (with some Hip-Hop influence, like a lot of modern reggae). From 1987-1999 is a longer span of album work than Talib Kweli has at this point, and much longer than Biggie, so why should he be disqualified? Because he didn't die, he just explored another genre? That's plenty of work to judge.

Steve wrote:

Like I said Pounds, the East is WAAAY too stacked. Plus, he has these two things working against him:

NO, NONE, ZERO, ZIP, ZILCH classic albums. And we're talking top ten in a region with KRS, Rakim, Slick Rick, LL, G Rap, etc., etc.

NO albums since 1994. He should be disqualified for that alone.

I agree. The East has way too many great artists to actually complain about somebody picking Heavy D or not.

No classic albums...I already mentioned that. But when we talk about classic songs, he does not come close to lacking in that category.

And he's got albums after 1994, and they are good...

My rankings:

1987: Living Large <--- 4 stars
1989: Big Tyme <--- 4 stars
1991: Peaceful Journey <--- 4.5 stars
1992: Blue Funk <--- 4.75 stars (only bad cut is "Girl" IMO)
1994: Nuttin' But Love <--- 4.25 stars
1997: Waterbed Hev <--- 3.75 stars
1999: Heavy <--- 4 stars
2008: Vibes <--- N/A still need to check out

All but the last one are "hip-hop" albums. The 97-99 one's are solo.

Sorry, one 4 star (debatable) album dropped TEN years ago.

And LOL @ classic songs. who cares about that category? classic albums are ALL classic songs, or the majority. a dude with NO classic albums does not belong top 10.

Steve wrote:

Sorry, one 4 star (debatable) album dropped TEN years ago.

And LOL @ classic songs. who cares about that category? classic albums are ALL classic songs, or the majority. a dude with NO classic albums does not belong top 10.

Who cares about classic songs? Classic albums are not all classic songs IMO. They may all be great, but they aren't all classics that will stand the true test of time.

Regardless, it is a personal choice, and I happen to bump Heavy D more than most east coast artists...enough to easily give him the top 10 nod.

Moreover, even if he has no consensus classics, both "Peaceful Journey" & "Blue Funk" are personal classics to me since I play them so damn much. Again, all personal preference....the way I always intend to vote.

Steve wrote:

a dude with NO classic albums does not belong top 10.

While I agree with very little I've seen within this thread, I do agree with Steve here...

Heavy D is a highly skilled rapper (I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here that thinks Nuttin' But Love is a classic), but I'm not sure that bringing up anything he's done since '94 helps his case because, IMO, Waterbed Hev is wack and Heavy is decent at best (haven't heard Vibes).

I see your point and agree with you on the other stuff though, Jason.

Jason wrote:

Heavy D's last full-fledged rap album was in 1999, not 1994. He also released an album last year, though reggae was the dominant style there (with some Hip-Hop influence, like a lot of modern reggae). From 1987-1999 is a longer span of album work than Talib Kweli has at this point, and much longer than Biggie, so why should he be disqualified? Because he didn't die, he just explored another genre? That's plenty of work to judge.

well fucknuts boy george queer, i also said he has no classic albums and that alone precludes him from the top 10, as well as his inactivity for so long. not to mention there is a skill thing, and talib is much, much, much more skilled than heavy d.

Kopasetick wrote:

Steve wrote:

a dude with NO classic albums does not belong top 10.

While I agree with very little I've seen within this thread, I do agree with Steve here...

Heavy D is a highly skilled rapper (I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here that thinks Nuttin' But Love is a classic), but I'm not sure that bringing up anything he's done since '94 helps his case because, IMO, Waterbed Hev is wack and Heavy is decent at best (haven't heard Vibes).

I see your point and agree with you on the other stuff though, Jason.

Well, personally, he does have 2 classics to me (which is why I voted the way I did).

I definitely dig both of his solo albums. I can see the in the 3.5 star range, but definitely no lower (IMO of course).

Steve wrote:

well fucknuts boy george queer, i also said he has no classic albums and that alone precludes him from the top 10

LOL - Do you know what personal opinion even means? Do you think every person should have the same top 10? Mathematics, statistics and consensus opinion doesn't make a person like a rapper more unless you're a follower. But hey, if the shoe fits, right Steve?

Steve wrote:

Jason wrote:

Heavy D's last full-fledged rap album was in 1999, not 1994. He also released an album last year, though reggae was the dominant style there (with some Hip-Hop influence, like a lot of modern reggae). From 1987-1999 is a longer span of album work than Talib Kweli has at this point, and much longer than Biggie, so why should he be disqualified? Because he didn't die, he just explored another genre? That's plenty of work to judge.

well fucknuts boy george queer, i also said he has no classic albums and that alone precludes him from the top 10, as well as his inactivity for so long. not to mention there is a skill thing, and talib is much, much, much more skilled than heavy d.

You threw another bitch fit, got shit clearly wrong, and the only points you have left are simply opinion. Just let people vote without your little outbursts.

Um, no, the point still stands he hasn't released an album for ten, and a good one in what, 15-17 years? Like Norm says you pointing out the random albums he released does nothing to help his standing. Another FACT (get it through your head picasso) is that he has ZERO classics. ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. I have quite a few PERSONAL (I love channeling my inner kool john) classics, that doesn't make them classics. I'm just responding to you, since you took it in hand to respond to me, and choose to edit your post after you probably googled some shit; why not include it in your original post. You also chose to respond to my tertiary reasoning, while a good debate tactic when one cannot respond, unfortunately for your fruity ass i can.

Jason wrote:

Steve wrote:

Jason wrote:

Heavy D's last full-fledged rap album was in 1999, not 1994. He also released an album last year, though reggae was the dominant style there (with some Hip-Hop influence, like a lot of modern reggae). From 1987-1999 is a longer span of album work than Talib Kweli has at this point, and much longer than Biggie, so why should he be disqualified? Because he didn't die, he just explored another genre? That's plenty of work to judge.

well fucknuts boy george queer, i also said he has no classic albums and that alone precludes him from the top 10, as well as his inactivity for so long. not to mention there is a skill thing, and talib is much, much, much more skilled than heavy d.

You threw another bitch fit, got shit clearly wrong, and the only points you have left are simply opinion. Just let people vote without your little outbursts.

Yeah, what do you expect? He has little clue about Heavy D's career, so when someone points it out, he obviously goes on the offense so he looks like less of a fool...

Steve wrote:

Um, no, the point still stands he hasn't released an album for ten, and a good one in what, 15-17 years? Like Norm says you pointing out the random albums he released does nothing to help his standing. Another FACT (get it through your head picasso) is that he has ZERO classics. ZERO. ZIP. ZILCH. I have quite a few PERSONAL (I love channeling my inner kool john) classics, that doesn't make them classics. I'm just responding to you, since you took it in hand to respond to me, and choose to edit your post after you probably googled some shit; why not include it in your original post. You also chose to respond to my tertiary reasoning, while a good debate tactic when one cannot respond, unfortunately for your fruity ass i can.

There are no facts in music. Only consensus opinion. And that's not what these votes are about for some (if not most) people here. I have little faith you'll actually understand this concept though.

LMAO! you other clowns didnt know it either until jason googled it. nobody had said a thing prior, had they? youre the one looking like a fool putting heavy d in your top 10 for the east. once again your little minneapolis "hiphop" (i use the term loosley for the drivel you listen to) loving ass can get away with that shit on here, but talk to anybody listening longer than 5 years (oh wait, that doesnt matter does it baby bubba? WRONG again) and they would laugh at you and take nothing else you say seriously. 12 neithers and 2 top 10s is pretty convincing there buddy boy.

Steve wrote:

LMAO! you other clowns didnt know it either until jason googled it. nobody had said a thing prior, had they? youre the one looking like a fool putting heavy d in your top 10 for the east. once again your little minneapolis "hiphop" (i use the term loosley for the drivel you listen to) loving ass can get away with that shit on here, but talk to anybody listening longer than 5 years (oh wait, that doesnt matter does it baby bubba? WRONG again) and they would laugh at you and take nothing else you say seriously. 12 neithers and 2 top 10s is pretty convincing there buddy boy.

I own hard copies of every Heavy D album minus "Vibes".

And Steve, be assured I don't respect a thing you say either. Sometimes I'm tickled by these ridiculous debates. I just want to see what stupid thing you'll type next. Proceed...

And no one cares about your opinion on Heavy D anyway; you can't accurately gauge him since you weren't even LISTENING TO HIPHOP when his last album dropped.

Vibes is a reggae album so it's not even applicable here.

No way Heavy is even top 25 for me on the east just cause as much as I like him and respect him I just don't find him that skilled in the emcee side of things.

His last two albums had some hits and some dope songs, but as a whole are just OK. His earlier shit is dope and consistent but even then he wasn't considered top ten.

Not top ten and to me not even close.

neither, at least only 2 people voted him in