Kanye sold out a while ago...but I can't see anybody defending this

Soulja Boy is the GOAT. Any record he blessed will go triple diamond.

He ain't selling out... just like KRS didn't sell out...

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

He ain't selling out... just like KRS didn't sell out...

:?:

KRS would never resort to such pop-boppery.

Now I have not read the article due to it being blocked at work so forgive me if I do not have the facts straight. But if it is about Ye producing a trk with him and vice versa what is sell out about that? Ye is a producer so now he is suppose to turn down artists? Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming. I think we use that word sell out to quick like classic.

KRob86 wrote:

Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming.

Wow. You're really expecting the best out of this collab, aren't you Kev? I'm not expecting anything but commercial garbage, personally. I don't think Soulja Boy will ever be looked at as a respected hip-hop artist. It's too late for him.

This is sort of a thing I struggle with on the "Top Producers" thread/polls. Some of these big time producers just sell out and produce for so many wack emcees/artists, that I feel it tarnishes their legacy/reputation in the game. Hence the reason cats like Timbaland will never reach my top 50 due to lack of replay value from pop-bopping garbage (even though he's objectively one of the best from a production standpoint).

Soulja boy represents everything wrong with rap and I think even you would admit that man...that'd be like a slave working with his slavemaster and trying to justify that, you just can't. There are PLENTY of other young artists out there worth grooming, sometimes you just gotta cut your losses and cut your dead weight.

Steve wrote:

Soulja boy represents everything wrong with rap and I think even you would admit that man...that'd be like a slave working with his slavemaster and trying to justify that, you just can't. There are PLENTY of other young artists out there worth grooming, sometimes you just gotta cut your losses and cut your dead weight.

Exactly, why would Kanye waste his time if he was doing it for artistic credibility? He's obviously just doing it for the dough (sellout)...

"“Soulja Boy is fresh as hell and is actually the true meaning of what hip-hop is supposed to be,” he blogged at the time. “He came from the ’hood, made his own beats, made up a new saying, new sound, and a new dance with one song. If that ain’t hip-hop, then what is?”"

Shaun wrote:

"“Soulja Boy is fresh as hell and is actually the true meaning of what hip-hop is supposed to be,” he blogged at the time. “He came from the ’hood, made his own beats, made up a new saying, new sound, and a new dance with one song. If that ain’t hip-hop, then what is?”"

Kanye is falling the fuck off. WTF? Soulja Boy obviously represents the true meaning of pop music even by Kanye's criteria.

If you guys still think Kanye and Jay-Z, etc. aren't making pop music you havent been paying attention.

Alan wrote:

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

He ain't selling out... just like KRS didn't sell out...

:?:

KRS would never resort to such pop-boppery.

Nope, I never saw KRS biggin up Souljah Boy

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming.

Wow. You're really expecting the best out of this collab, aren't you Kev? I'm not expecting anything but commercial garbage, personally. I don't think Soulja Boy will ever be looked at as a respected hip-hop artist. It's too late for him.

This is sort of a thing I struggle with on the "Top Producers" thread/polls. Some of these big time producers just sell out and produce for so many wack emcees/artists, that I feel it tarnishes their legacy/reputation in the game. Hence the reason cats like Timbaland will never reach my top 50 due to lack of replay value from pop-bopping garbage (even though he's objectively one of the best from a production standpoint).

I understand what you're saying Alan, and I certainly don't agree with what Kanye said. But the thing about producers is that they'll do tracks with ANYONE whom it's profitable to do them with. So you can't fault Kanye and Timberland for making beats for wack MC's.

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming.

Wow. You're really expecting the best out of this collab, aren't you Kev? I'm not expecting anything but commercial garbage, personally. I don't think Soulja Boy will ever be looked at as a respected hip-hop artist. It's too late for him.

This is sort of a thing I struggle with on the "Top Producers" thread/polls. Some of these big time producers just sell out and produce for so many wack emcees/artists, that I feel it tarnishes their legacy/reputation in the game. Hence the reason cats like Timbaland will never reach my top 50 due to lack of replay value from pop-bopping garbage (even though he's objectively one of the best from a production standpoint).

I understand what you're saying Alan, and I certainly don't agree with what Kanye said. But the thing about producers is that they'll do tracks with ANYONE whom it's profitable to do them with. So you can't fault Kanye and Timberland for making beats for wack MC's.

I don't fault them, really. They have to make a living. They just don't make my top 50 for the reasons I listed.

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming.

Wow. You're really expecting the best out of this collab, aren't you Kev? I'm not expecting anything but commercial garbage, personally. I don't think Soulja Boy will ever be looked at as a respected hip-hop artist. It's too late for him.

This is sort of a thing I struggle with on the "Top Producers" thread/polls. Some of these big time producers just sell out and produce for so many wack emcees/artists, that I feel it tarnishes their legacy/reputation in the game. Hence the reason cats like Timbaland will never reach my top 50 due to lack of replay value from pop-bopping garbage (even though he's objectively one of the best from a production standpoint).

I said nothing about expecting the best out of it did I? I just don't care enough to label the man a sell out for producing trks for artists. We can't expect Ye to feel the way we feel about Soulja Boy. Plus I use to really hate on the young cat but I had to realize he is not for my generation of hip hop and he is not my only representation of the art so him and his fans can go fuck themselves in a corner somewhere. Ye has always been the crossover and aslong as he is not swag surfin in the video with Soulja Boy I could care less about a beat.

Like I said - if KRS One bigged up Soulja Boy and welcomed him to hip-hop and said he was hip-hop - then Kanye ain't doing much worse by exchanging tracks. Soulja Boy is a resourceful producer and I think with Kanye's touch the track might be cool.

Let's face it, this being Kanye has a lot to do with some of the hate.

KRob86 wrote:

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Soulja Boy is a producer and if the trk Ye gets from him is not on some dance move pop body shit but it's just a bangin beat I see nothing wrong with that. How do we expect rap to grow if the truly talented artist do not show some luv to the rookie artists who may need grooming.

Wow. You're really expecting the best out of this collab, aren't you Kev? I'm not expecting anything but commercial garbage, personally. I don't think Soulja Boy will ever be looked at as a respected hip-hop artist. It's too late for him.

This is sort of a thing I struggle with on the "Top Producers" thread/polls. Some of these big time producers just sell out and produce for so many wack emcees/artists, that I feel it tarnishes their legacy/reputation in the game. Hence the reason cats like Timbaland will never reach my top 50 due to lack of replay value from pop-bopping garbage (even though he's objectively one of the best from a production standpoint).

I said nothing about expecting the best out of it did I? I just don't care enough to label the man a sell out for producing trks for artists. We can't expect Ye to feel the way we feel about Soulja Boy. Plus I use to really hate on the young cat but I had to realize he is not for my generation of hip hop and he is not my only representation of the art so him and his fans can go fuck themselves in a corner somewhere. Ye has always been the crossover and aslong as he is not swag surfin in the video with Soulja Boy I could care less about a beat.

Fair enough. When I said you were expecting the best, I thought you were thinking it would be a banger or something because of all that grooming the rookies talk. To me, Kanye has always been a sell-out anyway, so this doesn't make me lose that much more respect for him.

Are you serious SRP? For one, KRS didn't rhyme on a Soulja Boy cd, and Soulja Boy didn't rhyme on his so that's a HUGE difference. Two, everyone expects this shit from Kanye so there's not a big deal being made...imagine if Rakim or someone else was doing it, there would be way more hate, so you're wrong there too.

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

Like I said - if KRS One bigged up Soulja Boy and welcomed him to hip-hop and said he was hip-hop - then Kanye ain't doing much worse by exchanging tracks. Soulja Boy is a resourceful producer and I think with Kanye's touch the track might be cool.

Let's face it, this being Kanye has a lot to do with some of the hate.

Soulja Boy is "resourceful" SRP??? are you serious man?? you may as well say talented in the next sentence man..lol

Soulja Boy IMO is disgusting....plain and simple...kinda a mixture of shit and puke in one small bowl..

Y'all can talk as much shit about him as you want - but point is your boy KRS co-signed him. And here is why I think it's a double standard. Y'all are quick to justify, excuse, ignore that, but criticize ye. It's stupid. So what if KRS didn't record a track with him? He spend a full fucking 30 minute show next to him giving him more hip-hop cred than a kanye beat will ever give him - which is worse?

If he did a show with him that's definitely fucked up, but there are still two factors. One, KRS is the teacha, whether you like him or not. He has a history of schoolin' youngins and old heads alike, so for him to reach out is a logical move, one he has always done. Two, Kanye ain't never done that shit, and Kanye has always been about his pockets, fuck hip-hop to him. Three, Kanye will make money off a Soulja Boy beat, and vice verse, KRS ain't never tried to profit off of him.

That just strengthens my point dude - Kanye can do little to give "cred" to Soulja Boy - in the eyes of most fans they are in the same book - mainstream rappers. Like you said, Kanye already sold out so what's the big deal?

People acting like he did something bad, KRS "reaching out" to soulja boy to try to be relevant, get sales, etc. is 1000000000X TIMES more worser as far as this hip-hop shit goes.

Alan wrote:

Kanye is falling the fuck off. WTF? Soulja Boy obviously represents the true meaning of pop music even by Kanye's criteria.

Falling...? lol

Kopasetick wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kanye is falling the fuck off. WTF? Soulja Boy obviously represents the true meaning of pop music even by Kanye's criteria.

Falling...? lol

I guess I was implying he's losing it with that type of logic. Not actually that extreme, but I found at least 3/4 of quote to be stupid.

Alan wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kanye is falling the fuck off. WTF? Soulja Boy obviously represents the true meaning of pop music even by Kanye's criteria.

Falling...? lol

I guess I was implying he's losing it with that type of logic. Not actually that extreme, but I found at least 3/4 of quote to be stupid.

Nah, I was saying he already fell. lol

He's done falling. He hit the ground already.

Kopasetick wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kanye is falling the fuck off. WTF? Soulja Boy obviously represents the true meaning of pop music even by Kanye's criteria.

Falling...? lol

I guess I was implying he's losing it with that type of logic. Not actually that extreme, but I found at least 3/4 of quote to be stupid.

Nah, I was saying he already fell. lol

He's done falling. He hit the ground already.

LMAO!! Gotcha.

Ye has not fell off but he has slipped. More popular you get the more naysayers and cheerleaders you get but us in between just watch the show.

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

That just strengthens my point dude - Kanye can do little to give "cred" to Soulja Boy - in the eyes of most fans they are in the same book - mainstream rappers. Like you said, Kanye already sold out so what's the big deal?

People acting like he did something bad, KRS "reaching out" to soulja boy to try to be relevant, get sales, etc. is 1000000000X TIMES more worser as far as this hip-hop shit goes.

The difference between what KRS did and what Kanye did was that KRS was just being cordial.

Not many artists are gonna go up to another cat and be like "your shit is wack" even if they think it is. Why? Because they don't want the negative publicity. Some don't give a fuck, but most just wanna keep the peace within the hip-hop community. The only time KRS has ever publicly dissed an artist was when he kicked PM Dawn offstage, whom most people disliked anyway.

In Kanye's case though, he was basically saying that Souljah Boy is one of the best artists in the game. Not in so many words, but pretty much. That said, I can't say that I'm surprised to hear that from Kanye because he's a crossover artist anyway.

KJ Styles wrote:

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

That just strengthens my point dude - Kanye can do little to give "cred" to Soulja Boy - in the eyes of most fans they are in the same book - mainstream rappers. Like you said, Kanye already sold out so what's the big deal?

People acting like he did something bad, KRS "reaching out" to soulja boy to try to be relevant, get sales, etc. is 1000000000X TIMES more worser as far as this hip-hop shit goes.

The difference between what KRS did and what Kanye did was that KRS was just being cordial.

Not many artists are gonna go up to another cat and be like "your shit is wack" even if they think it is. Why? Because they don't want the negative publicity. Some don't give a fuck, but most just wanna keep the peace within the hip-hop community. The only time KRS has ever publicly dissed an artist was when he kicked PM Dawn offstage, whom most people disliked anyway.

In Kanye's case though, he was basically saying that Souljah Boy is one of the best artists in the game. Not in so many words, but pretty much. That said, I can't say that I'm surprised to hear that from Kanye because he's a crossover artist anyway.

Like I said KJ, make all the excuses you want, but KRS-One holding his tongue and being nice and all that you claim he did is him selling out just as much as anyone else.

this is an SMD moment

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

That just strengthens my point dude - Kanye can do little to give "cred" to Soulja Boy - in the eyes of most fans they are in the same book - mainstream rappers. Like you said, Kanye already sold out so what's the big deal?

People acting like he did something bad, KRS "reaching out" to soulja boy to try to be relevant, get sales, etc. is 1000000000X TIMES more worser as far as this hip-hop shit goes.

The difference between what KRS did and what Kanye did was that KRS was just being cordial.

Not many artists are gonna go up to another cat and be like "your shit is wack" even if they think it is. Why? Because they don't want the negative publicity. Some don't give a fuck, but most just wanna keep the peace within the hip-hop community. The only time KRS has ever publicly dissed an artist was when he kicked PM Dawn offstage, whom most people disliked anyway.

In Kanye's case though, he was basically saying that Souljah Boy is one of the best artists in the game. Not in so many words, but pretty much. That said, I can't say that I'm surprised to hear that from Kanye because he's a crossover artist anyway.

Like I said KJ, make all the excuses you want, but KRS-One holding his tongue and being nice and all that you claim he did is him selling out just as much as anyone else.

So you expect KRS to be like "Fuck you, your shit is wack"? He's not that type of dude. Most MC's aren't!

I don't see how he sold out! He didn't do a track with him. All he did was welcome him to hip-hop, which is the gentleman thing to do.

I'm sure that many MC's think Souljah Boy is wack, but other than the GZA, nobody has came out and said it.

Like I said man, we can choose, key word, choose to paint these things any which way we want. When it's one guy we can say all sorts of derogatory things, when its another we can paint it as gentlemanly thing to do, but I just choose to treat everybody equally.

I don't consider KRS a sell out for what he did - I don't consider Kanye a sell out for what he did.

What was kanye supposed to do? Say "hell no I ain't producing shit for you, you are wack?" and people read way too much into Kanye's comments about Soulja Boy - he was doing what KRS did, except he wasn't forced into it.

The difference is that Kanye actually LIKES Souljah Boy's music and thinks he's dope. KRS was just being nice.

I actually LIKE Kanye. Other than 808's and Heartbreak I thought his albums were dope. But this is a sellout move because he really digs Souljah Boy. If he didn't, then he wouldn't have released that statement to the media, let alone want him to produce tracks on his next album.

What's more fake? Actually liking some and working with them? Or just pretending to do so for the media and attention?

The Real Real Jeru wrote:

What's more fake? Actually liking some and working with them? Or just pretending to do so for the media and attention?

He never worked with Souljah Boy, he was just being cordial because they were in the same venue. Chances are, Souljah Boy is a KRS fan so Kris was saying wassup and setting an positive example for hip-hop veterans.

He didn't do it for the media or attention. If he cared about that then he would have performed a track with him.

You dislike KRS, so that's why you threw his name out there.

No, I threw KRS out there because he is an example of an artist who gave Soulja Boy 1000X more credibility than Kanye, and yet people want to treat the two differently. In the interview Soulja Boy said he never really bumped KRS music or something to that effect - his old school was 50 Cent In Da Club.

"I'm sure that many MC's think Souljah Boy is wack, but other than the GZA, nobody has came out and said it."

...Ice-T? lol

KJ Styles wrote:

Souljah Boy is a KRS fan...

He probably has no idea who the man is just like he thought Ice-T did "Fuck The Police".

Anybody cordial to the dude that said "Big ups to the slave masters" gets a big ol fuck you sell out bitch from me. KRS included. I'm not being sardonic, I'm being serious.

that's a good point nero, but i am 99% sure they did their thing before SB made those comments.

IMO, Kayne fell off a long time ago. His second cd was dope, but after that I couldn't mess with him anymore.

Kanye West was definitely AFTER and I have no idea about the KRS timeline though. Still, fuck Souljah Boi's ignorant ass.