J-Zone Has Shitty Taste In Music, Still Remains Dope Producer

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The last two? Just fucking wow.

He's always had terrible tastes in music but who cares, his beats are fucking great.

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Haterex wrote:: He's always had terrible tastes in music but who cares, his beats are fucking great.

lol, that was my point, exactly. Some people seem to think that just because an artist is dope, their tastes must be superior to every one else's and it doesn't work that way.

"Because somebody disagreeing with popular opinion ain’t being a “hater” …its called "having an opinion"

lol. People need to get that into their head.

Last edited by Jason on Mon 14 Jun 2010, 3:24 pm; edited 2 times in total

I agree about It Was Written, it is better than Illmatic lyrically.

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Damn, this guy is on CRACK!!

The only one of those opinions that I could see as even close to legit is him liking ATCQ's albums in decending order. While I don't share that opinion, I'm in agreement that the first 3 ATCQ albums are all classics, and they'd all make my Top 50 of all time.

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Jason wrote:: I agree about It Was Written.

Yeah, your loony ass would. No way is that album better than Illmatic lyrically.

The reason It Was Written isn't equal to, or better than, Illmatic as an overall album is that the production is vastly inferior and much less consistent, plus there is this whole idea of artifice in the perspective, subject matter and style Nas adopted, so its perceived as less legit and real than Illmatic. But you line the lyrics up side by side, look at the technical proficiency, and I'd take It Was Written as well. There's nothing on Illmatic as conceptually developed and well executed as "I Gave You Power" and just in general, Nas' imagery is as strong as ever, but there's a little more fluidity in how he's constructing his lyrics, and a more consistent internal narrative to the songs. His storytelling skill is on full display on It Was Written, more than on Illmatic. He's also more diverse as a writer.

People have this whole complex when it comes to Illmatic, like it's the album form manifestation of Jesus Christ, so I don't expect people to agree, but whatever. It's not so crazy. In fact, I don't see what's so crazy about most of what J-Zone's saying, not that I agree with them all.

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Jason wrote:: The reason It Was Written isn't equal to, or better than, Illmatic as an overall album is that the production is vastly inferior and much less consistent, plus there is this whole idea of artifice in the perspective, subject matter and style Nas adopted, so its perceived as less legit and real than Illmatic. But you line the lyrics up side by side, look at the technical proficiency, and I'd take It Was Written as well. There's nothing on Illmatic as conceptually developed and well executed as "I Gave You Power" and just in general, Nas' imagery is as strong as ever, but there's a little more fluidity in how he's constructing his lyrics, and a more consistent internal narrative to the songs. He's also more diverse as a writer.

I'm a fan of It Was Written and consider it a classic as well. However, Illmatic has higher highs, and is chock full of 5 star tracks.

I Gave You Power is an excellent concept song and dope lyrically. But I'd take It Ain't Hard To Tell, The World Is Yours, NY State Of Mind, and One Love over it. The best song on IWW is The Message IMO. Songs like Watch Them N****s, Suspect, Black Girl Lost, and Shootouts bring the album down. They aren't wack songs by any means BUT they're the reason why many people don't consider IWW a classic.

It SUCKS that they took Silent Murder off the reprint of the album. They should have taken one of the aforementioned three songs off instead. Silent Murder was a fuckin BANGER!!!!

Bottom line. Illmatic is like MJ's Thriller, and It Was Written is more like MJ's Bad. Both are classics, but it's easy to see which is better.

Was Silent Murder ever on the cd version? I thought it was only one the tape.

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It was a murder
Jake just hit the corner people swarming
Three in the morning I jumped out my cab like "Fuck,
niggaz is buck," mega bloodshed, the tapes red
I heard some bird whisper, "Yo he should have ducked"
I puffed the lilla, just before I hit the scene for rilla
I'm all high it's late I'm looking down at the fella
Shit's pushed in, ambulance placed him on some cushion
His mom's had a stare I wouldn't dare second look when I murk
It hurt, kind of took it as a brief reminder
that the street's designed to stop your life, plot
The beast in time yeah, cell to cell suspect ass bunny you fell
First time locked in crime stop my mind blocks the frail
Bursting blasting at your forty cal shell, split your dry cell
My bunnies never snitch why tell
We roll with no regrets, destiny's, fifty's and equities
Queens'll be the death of me

The way he paints a scene here is excellent. And this is one of the songs that supposedly brings the album down. It's hard to separate the lyrics from everything else, and that everything else is why the album is considered inferior to Illmatic, and is inferior to Illmatic, but remember that what we're talking about here is just lyrics. Not that the songs are better. Not that the album is better. That when you line the lyrics up side-by-side, that It Was Written is a more accomplished album.

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T. Myers wrote:: Was Silent Murder ever on the cd version? I thought it was only one the tape.

You're right. I was still buying tapes at that time. When my cassette broke I copped the CD and Silent Murder wasn't on it.

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Jason wrote:: It was a murder
Jake just hit the corner people swarming
Three in the morning I jumped out my cab like "Fuck,
niggaz is buck," mega bloodshed, the tapes red
I heard some bird whisper, "Yo he should have ducked"
I puffed the lilla, just before I hit the scene for rilla
I'm all high it's late I'm looking down at the fella
Shit's pushed in, ambulance placed him on some cushion
His mom's had a stare I wouldn't dare second look when I murk
It hurt, kind of took it as a brief reminder
that the street's designed to stop your life, plot
The beast in time yeah, cell to cell suspect ass bunny you fell
First time locked in crime stop my mind blocks the frail
Bursting blasting at your forty cal shell, split your dry cell
My bunnies never snitch why tell
We roll with no regrets, destiny's, fifty's and equities
Queens'll be the death of me

The way he paints a scene here is excellent. And this is one of the songs that supposedly brings the album down.

Just goes to show you how amazing Nasir Jones is.

That's a great verse, but it doesn't compare to shit like.....

Be havin dreams that I'ma gangster -- drinkin Moets, holdin Tecs
Makin sure the cash came correct then I stepped
Investments in stocks, sewein up the blocks
to sell rocks, winnin gunfights with mega cops
But just a n***a, walking with his finger on the trigger
Make enough figures until my pockets get bigger
I ain't the type of brother made for you to start testin
Give me a Smith and Wessun I'll have niggaz undressin
Thinkin of cash flow, buddah and shelter
Whenever frustrated I'ma hijack Delta
In the P.J.'s, my blend tape plays, bullets are strays
Young bitches is grazed each block is like a maze
full of black rats trapped, plus the Island is packed
From what I hear in all the stories when my peoples come back, black
I'm livin where the nights is jet black
The fiends fight to get crack I just max, I dream I can sit back
and lamp like Capone, with drug scripts sewn
Or the legal luxury life, rings flooded with stones, homes
I got so many rhymes I don't think I'm too sane
Life is parallel to Hell but I must maintain
and be prosperous, though we live dangerous
cops could just arrest me, blamin us, we're held like hostages
It's only right that I was born to use mics
and the stuff that I write, is even tougher than dice
I'm takin rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow
My rhymin is a vitamin, Hell without a capsule
The smooth criminal on beat breaks
Never put me in your box if your shit eats tapes
The city never sleeps, full of villians and creeps
That's where I learned to do my hustle had to scuffle with freaks
I'ma addict for sneakers, twenties of buddah and bitches with beepers
In the streets I can greet ya, about blunts I teach ya
Inhale deep like the words of my breath
I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
I lay puzzle as I backtrack to earlier times
Nothing's equivalent, to the new york state of mind

KJ Styles wrote:

Jason wrote:: It was a murder
Jake just hit the corner people swarming
Three in the morning I jumped out my cab like "Fuck,
niggaz is buck," mega bloodshed, the tapes red
I heard some bird whisper, "Yo he should have ducked"
I puffed the lilla, just before I hit the scene for rilla
I'm all high it's late I'm looking down at the fella
Shit's pushed in, ambulance placed him on some cushion
His mom's had a stare I wouldn't dare second look when I murk
It hurt, kind of took it as a brief reminder
that the street's designed to stop your life, plot
The beast in time yeah, cell to cell suspect ass bunny you fell
First time locked in crime stop my mind blocks the frail
Bursting blasting at your forty cal shell, split your dry cell
My bunnies never snitch why tell
We roll with no regrets, destiny's, fifty's and equities
Queens'll be the death of me

The way he paints a scene here is excellent. And this is one of the songs that supposedly brings the album down.

Just goes to show you how amazing Nasir Jones is.

That's a great verse, but it doesn't compare to shit like.....

Be havin dreams that I'ma gangster -- drinkin Moets, holdin Tecs
Makin sure the cash came correct then I stepped
Investments in stocks, sewein up the blocks
to sell rocks, winnin gunfights with mega cops
But just a n***a, walking with his finger on the trigger
Make enough figures until my pockets get bigger
I ain't the type of brother made for you to start testin
Give me a Smith and Wessun I'll have niggaz undressin
Thinkin of cash flow, buddah and shelter
Whenever frustrated I'ma hijack Delta
In the P.J.'s, my blend tape plays, bullets are strays
Young bitches is grazed each block is like a maze
full of black rats trapped, plus the Island is packed
From what I hear in all the stories when my peoples come back, black
I'm livin where the nights is jet black
The fiends fight to get crack I just max, I dream I can sit back
and lamp like Capone, with drug scripts sewn
Or the legal luxury life, rings flooded with stones, homes
I got so many rhymes I don't think I'm too sane
Life is parallel to Hell but I must maintain
and be prosperous, though we live dangerous
cops could just arrest me, blamin us, we're held like hostages
It's only right that I was born to use mics
and the stuff that I write, is even tougher than dice
I'm takin rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow
My rhymin is a vitamin, Hell without a capsule
The smooth criminal on beat breaks
Never put me in your box if your shit eats tapes
The city never sleeps, full of villians and creeps
That's where I learned to do my hustle had to scuffle with freaks
I'ma addict for sneakers, twenties of buddah and bitches with beepers
In the streets I can greet ya, about blunts I teach ya
Inhale deep like the words of my breath
I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
I lay puzzle as I backtrack to earlier times
Nothing's equivalent, to the new york state of mind

That verse is less impressive to me. The "Suspect" verse I posted isn't even the best on the album, maybe not even one of the best, but in a shorter span he painted a whole murder scene, in full panorama, from his reaction, to the emotion of the mom, the lookers on, and then he took that out to a broader point. He basically said the same thing about the way the city operates, and how he's forced to approach it to survive, but in a much more efficient way, painting a scene to make it more real and evocative.

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Of course you think it's less impressive because YOU posted it. But that NY State Of Mind verse is far superior IMO. Both verses paint pictures, but the verse I posted personifies life in the hood.

And the verse I posted isn't the best on Illmatic either, just went with the first related verse that came to my head.

I think it's less impressive because I'm less impressed with how he got across his point, and that's pretty consistent when comparing the two albums.

"Shootouts" and "Suspect"?!?!?!

really KJ????

both those tracks are dope as fuck

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Slang Editorial wrote:: "Shootouts" and "Suspect"?!?!?!

really KJ????

both those tracks are dope as fuck

Read my above post again. I never said that they weren't dope, but they're not among the best tracks on IWW, nor are they as good as any of the tracks on Illmatic IMO.

NERO just flummoxed J didn't have HAYSTACK orBone Thugs on his list

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Dang! Trotter wrote:: NERO just flummoxed J didn't have HAYSTACK orBone Thugs on his list

Look, I like J-Zone, and the whole reason I started this thread was to parody another thread on this very website, but clearly no one got it (except one person who shall remain nameless). The list was real, and my feelings on it are real, but the point clearly wasn't gotten.