Who's the better MC?

Who ya got? Do either have any memorable verses?

Masta Killa is the least memorable and least important Wu MC

From Masta Killa, I would say his verses on Da Mystery Of Chessboxin, Snakes, Triumph, Assassination Day, Wu-Gambinos, and Winter Warz immediately come to mind. For U-God, Knuckleheadz, Da Mystery Of Chessboxin, Black Jesus, Triumph, those come to mind.

Steve wrote:

Masta Killa is the least memorable and least important Wu MC

i like both, but i like U-God more. I think hes more of a natural MC if that makes sense. He has some crazy verses that so many people just seem to forget.

Slang Editorial wrote:

i like both, but i like U-God more. I think hes more of a natural MC if that makes sense. He has some crazy verses that so many people just seem to forget.

Now, I do agree that he has a lot of crazy verses, no doubt about that, but lyrically, I feel Masta is better.

show me a Masta Killa verse that comes remotely close to this lyrically:


The rap scar is on rap chrome
Put it on seal it on, we're silicone
Spark it on your Talkathon
This rap phenomenon, to word is bond to the arms
Hit me on the hip and horns, rap chaperone
Scars tone, bar clones, war tones, raw tones
Blowin out the door, bones but
Your rap's fraudulent, float in these rap quarter inches
Reinforced with suspense, be on your rap sword defense
These microphone professional, sensational
Fully operational, I got NIGGAZ here to play with you
You know the steez you know my whole program
Brothers from the No-Lands, all we want is the G's
guns and grams, livin fat like the Hoffa
Mafia, sippin eatin pastas
Layin in the house tellin the seeds about the sagas
Before we got Germanic and thoughts got sporadic
We grabbed golden tablets and quick guarded the Abbots
Slugs hit the belly put tones into the telly
Sucker tried to knock me out the box like skelly
I smoke the weed dreams I drop top two degrees
Honeydips spendin G's on nails and hair weave
The crime boss, takin no loss, excessive force
We can play the A-Train, back of the iron horse


^ that wordplay is ridiculous

I prefer Masta Killa...

Slang Editorial wrote:

show me a Masta Killa verse that comes remotely close to this lyrically:


The rap scar is on rap chrome
Put it on seal it on, we're silicone
Spark it on your Talkathon
This rap phenomenon, to word is bond to the arms
Hit me on the hip and horns, rap chaperone
Scars tone, bar clones, war tones, raw tones
Blowin out the door, bones but
Your rap's fraudulent, float in these rap quarter inches
Reinforced with suspense, be on your rap sword defense
These microphone professional, sensational
Fully operational, I got NIGGAZ here to play with you
You know the steez you know my whole program
Brothers from the No-Lands, all we want is the G's
guns and grams, livin fat like the Hoffa
Mafia, sippin eatin pastas
Layin in the house tellin the seeds about the sagas
Before we got Germanic and thoughts got sporadic
We grabbed golden tablets and quick guarded the Abbots
Slugs hit the belly put tones into the telly
Sucker tried to knock me out the box like skelly
I smoke the weed dreams I drop top two degrees
Honeydips spendin G's on nails and hair weave
The crime boss, takin no loss, excessive force
We can play the A-Train, back of the iron horse


^ that wordplay is ridiculous

That is one of his best verses, and while I'm at it, I can offer some friendly competition in the form of Masta's verse from "Snakes":

Do the knowledge to a bunny named Trigga
Bad rude boy from the land of Jamaica
With visions to venture, to the U.S.
To receive the gold that he couldn't acheive
in his country, even though he sold mad weed
for the next man, who was the Don of the clan
Niggaz actin like they got the block locked
Like I can't sling drug raps and eat food
But I be the rudest, bad boy steppin gun totin
Shots lash out like a violent explosion
at the bunny, who tries to stop my production
Intervene the scene and slow up the CREAM
None of that black, East New York, gun talk
Niggaz I extort from Baltic to Boardwalk
Memories of injuries wounds and burns
Walkin through the streets of Medina I stand firm
Cause I know this, which means I can hold mine down
without a doubt, niggaz who front, get snuffed out
Justice must be born there's no escape
cause a snake can't be reformed so I wait
Comin in the name to proclaim your fame for protection
and you don't know no fuckin lessons?

Or this, Slang:

hose down the place
No shots to the face
Elite Special force no religion style faith
The meltin' pot boil gun shot drama soil
Gamble when I scramble handle hot pots of oil
Man handle brain killin' erect my hidden
Streets may be potent put your 9-6 bid in
Vampire Curse disperse on each verse
Swim in black water, act slaughter through my earth
You're hit by my element Great Wall of China
Mountain Peak hold the globe like vagina
Measure on my mic stand, molecule and strand
Finger rollin' rhythm ride the horse one hand
Golden Eye, Spy vs. Spy, guilty of suspicion
Chess boxer, mic in dead body position
40 oz. Ciga-art, three verse invented
divine universal black man representin'
Similar the pure, rhyme blowin out the pore
Battery in the back, keep it charged for the raw
I'm bred type thorough, pistol lyro gun hero
renaissance rebel shadow boxin your barrel
Fully woven Beethoven, hit you on a humble
hard enough to hurt you, chastise my rap styles
Lock down, for this curfew

gametheory91 wrote:

I prefer Masta Killa...

So do I.

or this verse for that matter:

I hose down the place
No shots to the face
Elite Special force no religion style faith
The meltin' pot boil gun shot drama soil
Gamble when I scramble handle hot pots of oil
Man handle brain killin' erect my hidden
Streets may be potent put your 9-6 bid in
Vampire Curse disperse on each verse
Swim in black water, act slaughter through my earth
You're hit by my element Great Wall of China
Mountain Peak hold the globe like vagina
Measure on my mic stand, molecule and strand
Finger rollin' rhythm ride the horse one hand
Golden Eye, Spy vs. Spy, guilty of suspicion
Chess boxer, mic in dead body position
40 oz. Ciga-art, three verse invented
divine universal black man representin'
Similar the pure, rhyme blowin out the pore
Battery in the back, keep it charged for the raw
I'm bred type thorough, pistol lyro gun hero
renaissance rebel shadow boxin your barrel
Fully woven Beethoven, hit you on a humble
hard enough to hurt you, chastise my rap styles
Lock down, for this curfew



in terms of technical skill, Masta cant even see U-God

Slang Editorial wrote:

or this verse for that matter:

I hose down the place
No shots to the face
Elite Special force no religion style faith
The meltin' pot boil gun shot drama soil
Gamble when I scramble handle hot pots of oil
Man handle brain killin' erect my hidden
Streets may be potent put your 9-6 bid in
Vampire Curse disperse on each verse
Swim in black water, act slaughter through my earth
You're hit by my element Great Wall of China
Mountain Peak hold the globe like vagina
Measure on my mic stand, molecule and strand
Finger rollin' rhythm ride the horse one hand
Golden Eye, Spy vs. Spy, guilty of suspicion
Chess boxer, mic in dead body position
40 oz. Ciga-art, three verse invented
divine universal black man representin'
Similar the pure, rhyme blowin out the pore
Battery in the back, keep it charged for the raw
I'm bred type thorough, pistol lyro gun hero
renaissance rebel shadow boxin your barrel
Fully woven Beethoven, hit you on a humble
hard enough to hurt you, chastise my rap styles
Lock down, for this curfew



in terms of technical skill, Masta cant even see U-God

Another great choice, the classic verse from "Black Jesus".

@ Slang stealin' my shine

this might be my favorite Masta Killa verse but i still dont see it being as good lyrically or technically as U-God's bests:

On behalf of the Wu-Tang Clan I'll display
the Hong Kong, Shaolin King Kong poems
Slaps niggaz in half from Kwan'tan
Ten tigers scratch like Allah math, the Hell's Wind Staff
Watch the eight diagram strike the diaphragm
Pierced lung minute from tongue double-edged
sound the drum, here I come as predicted
Holdin the raw seal, all heads kneel
7th Degree black mic skill is ill, listen to the guns holler
Swallow the shell, East New York terrorist
Break fool to this, madness, crazy low-hand
grabs the mic stand, smooth as water
Spat Seven Seas you've not yet mastered
Breathe and lungs wheeze, Earth kills
I'm wreckin MC's, blood spills, meadow is round
The piercin sound of silence deafens ears
Fires fears, wood sharp eagle claw tears
tree from bark, hard to maintain control
When you leakin I stand with the strength of Jobe
and hold pressure that'll bust your head, while I'm teachin
civilization, one havin Knowledge
Wisdom Understanding, culture refinement
Knowledge savage in pursuit of happiness
Thunderous mantis, all chant this

From Da Mystery Of Chessboxin:

U-God

Raw I'ma give it to ya, with no trivia
Raw like cocaine straight from Bolivia
My hip-hop will rock and shock the nation
like the Emancipation Proclamation
Weak MC's approach with slang that's dead
you might as well run into the wall and bang your head
I'm pushin' force, my force your doubtin'
I'm makin' devils cower to the Caucus Mountains

Masta Killa

Homicide's illegal and death is the penalty
What justifies the homicide, when he dies?
In his own iniquity it's the
Master of the Mantis Rapture comin at cha
We have an APB on an MC Killer
Looks like the work of a Master
Evidence indicates that's it's stature
Merciless like a terrorist hard to capture
The flow, changes like a chameleon
Plays like a friend, and stabs you like a dagger
This technique attacks the immune system
Disguised like a lie paralyzin the victim
You scream, as it enters your bloodstream
Erupts your brain from the pain these thoughts contain
Novin on a bunny with the speed of a centipede
and injure - ANY MOTHERFUCKIN CONTENDER

heres another one of my fav. U-God moments



I make mean lean when I pump my spunk
And hands of chump, of machine gun funk
I bliss, like the fist, of the mantis
Those who oppose get dropped and hit the canvas
With rigormor', I hit you in the core and
Pop your legs well in the figure four
You can't stop the force when the blood is coursin
Extortion, I'm comin like the headless horseman
Enforcin, tortureous slang from a fortune
Swordsman, throw your rap corpse in coffins
Don't pop glocks at me then cop a plea
A hundred thousand leagues beneath the sea
Deep depths makes rappers salted
Weak rappers asses I cracks my foot, off in
Lay down them lines with them hard hits
And I'm harmin, bombin, with heavy bombardments
Pushin, poetry, like weed by the pounds
Underground railroad rza track lay it down
I'm hard as pavement, you gaze from amazement
Knock you in the head you wonder where the days went
It's golden bangles, microphone getting strangled
Five-star general, scars you want to angle
Bizarre thriller, war scar for a killer
Sheisty mic device got my hand-piece throbbin
Slice mics precise on down to ice carvings

Slang Editorial wrote:

heres another one of my fav. U-God moments



I make mean lean when I pump my spunk
And hands of chump, of machine gun funk
I bliss, like the fist, of the mantis
Those who oppose get dropped and hit the canvas
With rigormor', I hit you in the core and
Pop your legs well in the figure four
You can't stop the force when the blood is coursin
Extortion, I'm comin like the headless horseman
Enforcin, tortureous slang from a fortune
Swordsman, throw your rap corpse in coffins
Don't pop glocks at me then cop a plea
A hundred thousand leagues beneath the sea
Deep depths makes rappers salted
Weak rappers asses I cracks my foot, off in
Lay down them lines with them hard hits
And I'm harmin, bombin, with heavy bombardments
Pushin, poetry, like weed by the pounds
Underground railroad rza track lay it down
I'm hard as pavement, you gaze from amazement
Knock you in the head you wonder where the days went
It's golden bangles, microphone getting strangled
Five-star general, scars you want to angle
Bizarre thriller, war scar for a killer
Sheisty mic device got my hand-piece throbbin
Slice mics precise on down to ice carvings

Another great choice.

Masta Killa for the most part is more my speed. While he does not have a attention grabbing voice, flow, or personality his wordplay and almost spoken word delivery works. He seems to know his role well and does a good job of not over playing his natural boundaries.

KRob86 wrote:

Masta Killa for the most part is more my speed. While he does not have a attention grabbing voice, flow, or personality his wordplay and almost spoken word delivery works. He seems to know his role well and does a good job of not over playing his natural boundaries.

Very good points here.

Wayne wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Masta Killa for the most part is more my speed. While he does not have a attention grabbing voice, flow, or personality his wordplay and almost spoken word delivery works. He seems to know his role well and does a good job of not over playing his natural boundaries.

Very good points here.

I agree. I'd say they're about even, in my opinion. Though U-God is probably a little more memorable because he has a distinct voice, and usually leaves me with the "what the hell is he talking about?" feeling.

Some U-God verses I like, that never seem to get mentioned.

Cypress Hill - Killa Hill Ni**as
SWV - Anything (remix) -- though this one is rather short

I'll give U-God a slight edge.

Masta Killa DESTROYS U-God easily.

No Said Date is light years better than any LP U-God ever dropped.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Masta Killa DESTROYS U-God easily.

[quote="Eastern Rap Pro"]Masta Killa DESTROYS U-God easily.

No Said Date is light years better than any LP U-God ever dropped. [/quote]

Really KJ? In what area?

Storytelling: U-God
Lyricism: Push
Wordplay: U-God
Flow: U-God
Delivery: U-God

Umm...am I missing something? There is a reason Masta Killa is the least featured rapper on Wu-Tang Group albums. There is a reason he is the ONLY Wu-Tang rapper to not get a solo in the 90's. There is a reason he is the lowest selling Wu rapper of the whole nine. Am I missing something here?

Steve wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Masta Killa DESTROYS U-God easily.

No Said Date is light years better than any LP U-God ever dropped.

Really KJ? In what area?

Storytelling: U-God
Lyricism: Push
Wordplay: U-God
Flow: U-God
Delivery: U-God

Umm...am I missing something? There is a reason Masta Killa is the least featured rapper on Wu-Tang Group albums. There is a reason he is the ONLY Wu-Tang rapper to not get a solo in the 90's. There is a reason he is the lowest selling Wu rapper of the whole nine. Am I missing something here?

I don't agree with any of that. U-God sounds good when rhymin with Wu-Tang, but he's wack on his own. The reason MK is the most under the radar MC is because he was the last one to join the group, not because he's the least talented. I haven't been impressed with anything U-God has spit solo. Masta Killa's has rarely if ever spit a wack verse, so for me he gets the win.

As far as I'm concerned both of these emcees outside of Cappadonna are 2 of the weakest emcees in the entire WU, so I'm inclined to say neither but lyrically I think Masta "Slang" Killa is just a little bit better than U-God overall, although I think U-God has the better voice...so I'll go with "Slang" on this one

Ok so between the 2 artists, who has the best solo album? I think that answer will answer this question IMO

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

The reason MK is the most under the radar MC is because he was the last one to join the group, not because he's the least talented. Masta Killa's has rarely if ever spit a wack verse, so for me he gets the win.

Cosign.

Highsmith wrote:

Ok so between the 2 artists, who has the best solo album? I think that answer will answer this question IMO

Masta Killa.

So what album would that be Wayne? No Said Date?

Highsmith wrote:

So what album would that be Wayne? No Said Date?

Exactly.

What's your rating Wayne and anyone else can give their opinion.

Highsmith wrote:

What's your rating Wayne and anyone else can give their opinion.

Right now I have No Said Date at 4.5 stars.

No Said Date is 4.5 stars IMO

Another CD to add to my list. I keep telling y'all that you are going to get me in trouble...lol

Highsmith wrote:

Another CD to add to my list. I keep telling y'all that you are going to get me in trouble...lol

Lol.

i think basing it on who has the best solo album might be the single DUMBEST way to determine who the better MC is, lmfao. I cosign Steve completely in this thread. On group albums U-God is absolutely destroying Masta Killa.

basing it on the solo album logic would mean that:

1) Master P is a better MC than Bun B since he has a more consensus better solo album

2) people would argue that No Way Out is better than any Canibus album, so hmm lets see that must make Puff Daddy the better MC than Canibus, strike 2

3) Enta Da Stage is better than any solo album by Sean Price, so hmm Buckshot must be the better MC, strike 3

thats the dumbest argument ive ever seen

Slang just sonned every one of you, and nobody answered my questions or said where Masta is better either...

Steve wrote:

Slang just sonned every one of you, and nobody answered my questions or said where Masta is better either...

It's not that serious, lol.

I prefer Masta Killa myself. To me he always seemed like a lesser GZA. I could've gone either way at one point but MK's solos are superior. That was the tie breaker for me.

I understand what you're saying Slang but you also have to hold those lackluster solos by U-God against him.

It's like asking who's the better runner. The guy who's only good at the relay or the guy who can do relay and run other types of races?

TheHazardous wrote:

I prefer Masta Killa myself. To me he always seemed like a lesser GZA.

Cosign.

Basically...lol In group settings, most people shine but if they can't shine on their solos that shows their true colors. See Memphis Bleek. Thanks Slang for being so concerned about what I said though...lol

Highsmith wrote:

Basically...lol In group settings, most people shine but if they can't shine on their solos that shows their true colors. See Memphis Bleek. Thanks Slang for being so concerned about what I said though...lol

And with or without the ROC, Bleek will still be Bleek.

You just gave me an idea for another thread Highsmith!

TheHazardous wrote:

I prefer Masta Killa myself. To me he always seemed like a lesser GZA. I could've gone either way at one point but MK's solos are superior. That was the tie breaker for me.

I understand what you're saying Slang but you also have to hold those lackluster solos by U-God against him.

It's like asking who's the better runner. The guy who's only good at the relay or the guy who can do relay and run other types of races?

lackluster solos?

Golden Arms Redemption and Dopium are 4 star albums to me, GAR is closer to 4.25, Mr. Xcitement is wack but if you're comparing their 2 best, then you only look at those 2 since MK only has 2 solos

No Said Date is like 4.5 but Made in Brooklyn is only about 3.5-3.75

i dont really see a big gap there, i spn GAR just as much as No Said Date and they are both top 20 Wu albums to me. and in terms of the MC's on their respective solos, U-God shows more versatility especially in the storytelling department.

also, if U-God is better in most categories of MCing then he is the better mc.





theres a reason he has his own hat, lmao

GAR was one of the most poorly received albums ever... it is very average to me. When you compare two emcees with limited bodies of work, the one with the best solo is the logical choice as the better one IMO. Masta Killa easily.

I heard GAR and it didn't do nothing for me. It was the first wu-solo to disappoint me. No Said Date is the number 4 premiere wu-solo for me. (1-3): Liquid Swords, Cuban Linx, Ironman. I heard Dopium was good so I'll give that one a shot but you can have Mr. Xcitement. Maybe I'll give GAR another chance one day. But I hope that gives you a better understanding of my perspective.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

GAR was one of the most poorly received albums ever...

Cosign.

I honestly don't understand the hate GAR has received over the years. There are some absolute bangers on the album. I co-sign Slang's ratings for GAR and Dopium.

T. Myers wrote:

I honestly don't understand the hate GAR has received over the years. There are some absolute bangers on the album. I co-sign Slang's ratings for GAR and Dopium.

Rumble>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>