Best Produced: East Bracket Day 2 (Matchup 7)

(7) LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out

vs.

(10) De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising

Marley Marl's production on Mama Said Knock You Out is great

Gotta go with Prince Paul.

Gotta go with De La Soul

LL

Marley in a complete BLOWOUT...lol..it's not even funny...those Prince Paul beats on that album are not even close to his best...Marley is killin him here...

Oh damn, this matchup is even tougher than Raising Hell vs OB4CL.

If you asked me which album I thought was better overall, I'd pick 3 Feet High & Rising. But Mama Said Knock You Out is the slightly better produced album. This was one of Marley's best albums, and LL's best album IMO.

LL

D.Powell wrote:

Marley in a complete BLOWOUT...lol..it's not even funny...those Prince Paul beats on that album are not even close to his best...Marley is killin him here...

A blowout? Man, you say that as if the De La album is wack or something. lol

WTF is this blowout you speak of? Prince Paul's production was sickly inventive on that album. Dude including every genre under the sun on his palette...even including Johnny Cash & Steely Dan! Who the fuck was using these types of samples in hip-hop back then? Thematically, shit had great concepts and was very unique, especially for it's time. It contained an incredible number of samples. Not saying Marley Marl's production ain't just as fly, but I definitely give Prince Paul the leg up on originality and ambition. I do feel it's better, but it's very close...no blowout at all.

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

I co-sign you Pounds. Granted, I did vote for LL, but that's only on the PRODUCTION tip.

Lyrically and overall, 3 Feet High is SUPERIOR to anything LL ever made IMO. It's among my 20 all time favs.

I don't see what Powell is saying at all. None of those albums he mentioned are as good as 3 Feet High. De La Soul Is Dead is the only one that comes close. I love The Grind Date, but it's more on the level of Stakes Is High than 3 Feet High.

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

I co-sign you Pounds. Granted, I did vote for LL, but that's only on the PRODUCTION tip.

Lyrically and overall, 3 Feet High is SUPERIOR to anything LL ever made IMO. It's among my 20 all time favs.

I don't see what Powell is saying at all. None of those albums he mentioned are as good as 3 Feet High. De La Soul Is Dead is the only one that comes close. I love The Grind Date, but it's more on the level of Stakes Is High than 3 Feet High.

3 Feet High And Rising is NOT superior to Radio nor Bigger And Deffer nor Mama Said Knock You Out KJ, you sound crazy with that shit my dude...lol
The Grind Date is my favorite De La Soul record, followed by De La Soul Is Dead......3 Feet High is not their best work IMO it's just the one that most non-fans think of first...

D.Powell wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

I co-sign you Pounds. Granted, I did vote for LL, but that's only on the PRODUCTION tip.

Lyrically and overall, 3 Feet High is SUPERIOR to anything LL ever made IMO. It's among my 20 all time favs.

I don't see what Powell is saying at all. None of those albums he mentioned are as good as 3 Feet High. De La Soul Is Dead is the only one that comes close. I love The Grind Date, but it's more on the level of Stakes Is High than 3 Feet High.

3 Feet High And Rising is NOT superior to Radio nor Bigger And Deffer nor Mama Said Knock You Out KJ, you sound crazy with that shit my dude...lol
The Grind Date is my favorite De La Soul record, followed by De La Soul Is Dead......3 Feet High is not their best work IMO it's just the one that most non-fans think of first...

damn Powell didnt expect to hear you say the Grind Date is your favorite De La album...in your words: "you sound like a Young'n right now"

but for real De La's first 4 albums are all classics IMO and Grind Date is near classic...personally my favorite from them is Buhloone Mindstate but im in the minority here...

but 3 Feet High is by far the most influential, the production was something completely new for the time (so i hear) andcompletely changed the way how albums were produced...For example, it was one of the first albums to have skits heavily featured throughout the album lacing it together, that is all part of production, not just the beats alone

all that said i still voted for Mama Said Knock You Out cuz thats probably my favorite album from Marley Marl

Slang I also like Buhloone Mindstate the most.

Yeah Buhloone Mind State is a sick effort from De La man, I like that one as well although I have 3 Feet High in front of it

But yeah man The Grind Date wins for me man...Dilla,9th Wonder,Madlib,JakeOne,Supa Dave, and their lyrics make that shit a CLASSIC for me man...it's just that sick to me and I have the forum (Norf and Pounds) for mentioning that joint to me...gotta give them thanks for that one man...my favorite De La effort!

^ Grind Date is a great album i just didnt think it was as good as their golden years in the early 90's but its miles better than there AOI albums...maybe it will eventually grow into Classic for me

"Rock Co Kane Flow" is fucking EPIC

[quote="Slang Editorial"]^ Grind Date is a great album i just didnt think it was as good as their golden years in the early 90's but its miles better than there AOI albums...maybe it will eventually grow into Classic for me

"Rock Co Kane Flow" is fucking EPIC[/quote

AGREED 1000% Slang, that shit just bangs your head completely off! lol

D.Powell wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

I co-sign you Pounds. Granted, I did vote for LL, but that's only on the PRODUCTION tip.

Lyrically and overall, 3 Feet High is SUPERIOR to anything LL ever made IMO. It's among my 20 all time favs.

I don't see what Powell is saying at all. None of those albums he mentioned are as good as 3 Feet High. De La Soul Is Dead is the only one that comes close. I love The Grind Date, but it's more on the level of Stakes Is High than 3 Feet High.

3 Feet High And Rising is NOT superior to Radio nor Bigger And Deffer nor Mama Said Knock You Out KJ, you sound crazy with that shit my dude...lol
The Grind Date is my favorite De La Soul record, followed by De La Soul Is Dead......3 Feet High is not their best work IMO it's just the one that most non-fans think of first...

Non-fans?? I've been a fan of De La since they first came out, so CLEARLY you didn't mean me dude.

IMO 3 Feet High IS their best work. There's no skip material on it. I like it better than all the LL records because I feel Posdanous and Dove had tremendous chemisty on that album, and I like Pos' lyricism more than LL's. I know you disagree with that, and that's fine with me. But that's just my opinion. I do respect LL though, and those three albums you mentioned are certainly classics.

Me Myself and I, Buddy, Eye Know, Ghetto Thang, Say No Go, The Magic Number, Jenifah Taught Me, Potholes In My Lawn, the list goes on and on with classic songs on that album.

The reason I voted for MSKYO is because of Marley's production like you mentioned, but I also dig Prince Paul production. I just dug Marley's effort more. As a whole though, I prefer 3 Feet High and Rising.

LL wins here. One of my favorite albums from Cool J.

KJ Styles wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I've got Marley in a complete blowout Alan, and easily too

Three Feet High and Rising is not my favorite De La Soul record...The Grind Date and De La Soul Is Dead are both better IMO and this is not Prince Paul's best work....his Stetsasonic and Gravediggaz and A Prince Among Thieves are all better to me...this is why I say it's a blowout man...

OK, not seeing it at all though. That is my favorite De La record though.

I co-sign you Pounds. Granted, I did vote for LL, but that's only on the PRODUCTION tip.

Lyrically and overall, 3 Feet High is SUPERIOR to anything LL ever made IMO. It's among my 20 all time favs.

I don't see what Powell is saying at all. None of those albums he mentioned are as good as 3 Feet High. De La Soul Is Dead is the only one that comes close. I love The Grind Date, but it's more on the level of Stakes Is High than 3 Feet High.

3 Feet High And Rising is NOT superior to Radio nor Bigger And Deffer nor Mama Said Knock You Out KJ, you sound crazy with that shit my dude...lol
The Grind Date is my favorite De La Soul record, followed by De La Soul Is Dead......3 Feet High is not their best work IMO it's just the one that most non-fans think of first...

Non-fans?? I've been a fan of De La since they first came out, so CLEARLY you didn't mean me dude.

IMO 3 Feet High IS their best work. There's no skip material on it. I like it better than all the LL records because I feel Posdanous and Dove had tremendous chemisty on that album, and I like Pos' lyricism more than LL's. I know you disagree with that, and that's fine with me. But that's just my opinion. I do respect LL though, and those three albums you mentioned are certainly classics.

Me Myself and I, Buddy, Eye Know, Ghetto Thang, Say No Go, The Magic Number, Jenifah Taught Me, Potholes In My Lawn, the list goes on and on with classic songs on that album.

The reason I voted for MSKYO is because of Marley's production like you mentioned, but I also dig Prince Paul production. I just dug Marley's effort more. As a whole though, I prefer 3 Feet High and Rising.

Cosign! Gotta say I like this De La record more than I like any LL record as well.

And why do the AOI albums get hated on jointly? "AOI: Bionix" is one of my favorites from De La.