GOAT Day 2 Round Three: Ice Cube vs. Pharoahe Monch (Bracket 2)

vs.

Cube

PM. Bump his stuff more.

O'Shea Jackson

Cube. Props to Pharoahe for always making it far into these things, though.

Cube.

Shaun wrote:

Cube. Props to Pharoahe for always making it far into these things, though.

Fa' real!

Yes, that's me voting for Cube too.

Cube, sorry to see Monch go tho.

Monch

CUBE

Ice Cube

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

It was close, but Cube is better overall I think

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

Mofo did you just really try to compare Monche to Cube voice and discog wise??? I mean Slang you are the ultimate STAN...fa real.

Monch may have the betta flow and may be betta lyrically when you judge lyricism off punchlines and bigger vocab. But Cube lyrics mean waaaaaaay more than almost any of Pharoahe's lyrics. Do not ever dare to compare these two like that. I would just rather you say I prefer Monche. You really tried thugh lil homie...lol.

yeah discog wize is a joke even counting organized konfusion

Cube

Cube.

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

Mofo did you just really try to compare Monche to Cube voice and discog wise??? I mean Slang you are the ultimate STAN...fa real.

Monch may have the betta flow and may be betta lyrically when you judge lyricism off punchlines and bigger vocab. But Cube lyrics mean waaaaaaay more than almost any of Pharoahe's lyrics. Do not ever dare to compare these two like that. I would just rather you say I prefer Monche. You really tried thugh lil homie...lol.

lets see here

Organized Kofusion - 5 stars
Stress - 5 stars
Internal Affairs - 4.75-5
Desire - AT LEAST 4, id give it like 4.25

not that i take discog into much concisderation but even if you do Pharoahe's is ridiculous

and not to mention he never wastes a verse, his guest spots are always either the best or one of the best verses on whatever album he's featured on

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

Crack is bad for you Slang! Stop using it.

Monch, better quality control.

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

Mofo did you just really try to compare Monche to Cube voice and discog wise??? I mean Slang you are the ultimate STAN...fa real.

Monch may have the betta flow and may be betta lyrically when you judge lyricism off punchlines and bigger vocab. But Cube lyrics mean waaaaaaay more than almost any of Pharoahe's lyrics. Do not ever dare to compare these two like that. I would just rather you say I prefer Monche. You really tried thugh lil homie...lol.

It may be just a difference of opinion, but i consider this to be subject matter not lyricism. Explain to me why Cube can't say the same thing but do it with the lyrical precision of Monch?

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

LOL


this is your Blueprint 3 and Phonte moment right here Slang....hey it's all good to see you actually have an opinion that everyone else may not agree with...glad to see you finally stand up something, and something OTHER than the WU-TANG CLAN! Wow, what's today's date??? this is a hip-hop moment I will never forget...lol

Phonte is doodoo

[quote="T. Myers"]

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Monch, and i dont see how you can vote otherwise based on talent.

Monch has the better voice, and flow, and is better lyrically.

Monch also has 3 arguable classics, like Cube does, Cuba may have 4, but even people who compare catalogs its about a wash. Monch should win this easily when you're talking about MC skills

Mofo did you just really try to compare Monche to Cube voice and discog wise??? I mean Slang you are the ultimate STAN...fa real.

Monch may have the betta flow and may be betta lyrically when you judge lyricism off punchlines and bigger vocab. But Cube lyrics mean waaaaaaay more than almost any of Pharoahe's lyrics. Do not ever dare to compare these two like that. I would just rather you say I prefer Monche. You really tried thugh lil homie...lol.

It may be just a difference of opinion, but i consider this to be subject matter not lyricism. Explain to me why Cube can't say the same thing but do it with the lyrical precision of Monch?[/quote]

I really dont understand the part I put in bold. But I will answer to my best comprehension of it. Subject matter is lyricism to me. To make your subject valid the contents betta make sense. Cube is not a lyrical mic battling punchline rapper like Pharoahe is. Now I do know that Phar has good-great subject matter also so I am not blind to his talents. I just think Cube does it better and more often. I am always going to root for the common man's rapper over the more complex emcee vocab or methaphor wise.

"I am always going to root for the common man's rapper over the more complex emcee vocab or methaphor wise."

If you would've said that 3 years ago, a bunch of arguments would've been avoided.

Kev, the question was why can't an mc be complex like a Monch while still having the deep thoughtful subject matter like Ice Cube. Why can't Cube keep his subject matter while doing it with Monch's skill?

Shaun wrote:

Phonte is doodoo

LOL

Here's the deal.

Monch is without question the better MC when it comes to wordplay, but Cube has dropped more classic material song and album wise.

I don't fault anyone for voting for Monch, but I voted for Cube because he's dropped more dopeness overall IMO. I don't see how anyone can fault someone for doing so.

T. Myers wrote:

Kev, the question was why can't an mc be complex like a Monch while still having the deep thoughtful subject matter like Ice Cube. Why can't Cube keep his subject matter while doing it with Monch's skill?

I feel you. Like KRino for example he's more complex with the subject matter. And Monche is also. But Cube lyricism in his prime was better than Monche lyrical style either way to me.

And I guess you'll have to ask Cube that 2nd question...lol.

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Kev, the question was why can't an mc be complex like a Monch while still having the deep thoughtful subject matter like Ice Cube. Why can't Cube keep his subject matter while doing it with Monch's skill?

I feel you. Like KRino for example he's more complex with the subject matter. And Monche is also. But Cube lyricism in his prime was better than Monche lyrical style either way to me.

And I guess you'll have to ask Cube that 2nd question...lol.

LOL, that's not needed. Cube's #5 on my list so he's obviously doing something right.

easily cube, any other vote has got to be playin "devil's advocate"

Monch

Mr. Jackson

Cube