Relapse

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Where's 4.5 on this poll?

It was good. Took me a while to get into it. I give it a 4.0

His rapping on this album is very good, but it feels much less spontaneous and natural than on his first 3 Aftermath albums. It comes off as very formulaic. It's also just kind of pathetic that he's nearing 40, and is still reduced to spitting this immature shit, no matter how well he does it.

Dre's production is of course preferable to Eminem handling production duties, but I think Dre's style has gotten sort of stale and predictable. It works, but it doesn't sound fresh at all, and it doesn't really elevate the album.

So, I'd say 3.5. Good album, but flawed.

it's no brooklynati that's for sure eh jason? too bad eminem cant rap as well as them and dre cant produce as well. fucking looney toon.

Eminem and Dre clearly have much more skill, but that doesn't mean every piece of music they make is going to be automatically superior. Right now, they're both spinning their wheels, rehashing stuff they've done much better before. So no, this album is no Brooklynati to me.

Oops KJ...

Who gave it 5.0?

I actually agree with you Jason that was a good sum up but I still give it 4.0 because it was a good album.

Steve gave it a 5.0 lol

Justin Linker wrote:

Steve gave it a 5.0 lol

It's definitely not a classic IMO as Em's first two albums were clearly better, but it's dope nonetheless.

I agree, KJ. Can't touch SSLP/MMLP

KJ Styles wrote:

Justin Linker wrote:

Steve gave it a 5.0 lol

It's definitely not a classic IMO as Em's first two albums were clearly better, but it's dope nonetheless.

thats stupid fucking logic, but that logic nobody can have more than 1 classic or 2? so your lover nas cant? come on now.

Nobody, except possibly a few top artists, having more than 1 or 2 classics is perfectly reasonable to me, that should be a very reserved label. In fact, while there are some artists involved in groups and having solo careers, who may pass 1 or 2 classic album between solo and group projects combined (I'm think Ice Cube, Scarface), I don't know if any one artistic entity has more than 2 true classics.

Steve wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Justin Linker wrote:

Steve gave it a 5.0 lol

It's definitely not a classic IMO as Em's first two albums were clearly better, but it's dope nonetheless.

thats stupid fucking logic, but that logic nobody can have more than 1 classic or 2? so your lover nas cant? come on now.

Well your lover 2Pac has 4 classics according to you, so tell that bullshit story walking. I never said that someone can't have more than 2 classics. I can think of several that do.

How is that stupid logic? You're the ONLY person I know (on or offline) that feels that Relapse is a classic. In my opinion, it's not.

I can't stand the songs We Made You, My Mom, and Insane. I skip them whenever I spin that album hence I don't feel it's a classic. I can bang every single song on MMLP and SSLP without skipping, hence they are classics IMO. Plain and simple.

Who do you think has more than 2 classics?

Jason wrote:

Who do you think has more than 2 classics?

Public Enemy
Rakim
KRS-One
Nas (most won't agree, but IMO he does)
Run DMC
A Tribe Called Quest
The Roots
Ice Cube
Outkast
Ghostface Killah (see Nas)
Scarface
LL Cool J
Gangstarr

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. Same with Ice Cube, only if NWA is counted. The rest, I disagree with.

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. The rest, I disagree with.

So you don't think Yo Bumrush The Show, Let The Rhythm Hit Em, Do You Want More, Southernplayalistic, and People's Instinctive Travels are classics?

KJ Styles wrote:

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. The rest, I disagree with.

So you don't think Yo Bumrush The Show, Let The Rhythm Hit Em, Do You Want More, Southernplayalistic, and People's Instinctive Travels are classics?

No, great albums. But, in all the cases, except Let the Rhythm Hit Em, I see those as stepping stones to classic albums, where they just had a little further to go, and the next albums were sufficiently superior to say those ones aren't quite classic.

Jason wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. The rest, I disagree with.

So you don't think Yo Bumrush The Show, Let The Rhythm Hit Em, Do You Want More, Southernplayalistic, and People's Instinctive Travels are classics?

No, great albums. But, in all the cases, except Let the Rhythm Hit Em, I see those as stepping stones to classic albums, where they just had a little further to go, and the next albums were sufficiently superior to say those ones aren't quite classic.

I actually prefer Southernplayalistic to ATLiens, but I agree with you in the cases of the other debuts that I named.

That said, I stand by my opinion that all those albums I named are classics because all the songs on them are superb and can be played without skipping.

Just like Off The Wall by Michael Jackson is a classic IMO, it isn't as good as Thriller but it's still a classic.

Jason Face and Cube only have one classic solo album to you? Which ones?

No, I think Face and Cube each have 2 classic solo albums. Amerikkka's Most Wanted and Death Certificate for Cube. The Diary & the Fix for Scarface. I don't think they have more than 2 without including group albums, though.

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. Same with Ice Cube, only if NWA is counted. The rest, I disagree with.

your crazy man LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out, Radio
Scarface - Diary, Mr Scarface is Back
Ghostface - Ironman, Supreme Clientele
Nas - Illmatic....is the only 5 star album from him, but IWW, Lost Tapes, and Stillmatic are all around 4.5

EDIT: you said more than 2 classics my bad i thought you said at least 2 classics, disregard this

Slang Editorial wrote:

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. Same with Ice Cube, only if NWA is counted. The rest, I disagree with.

your crazy man LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out, Radio
Scarface - Diary, Mr Scarface is Back
Ghostface - Ironman, Supreme Clientele
Nas - Illmatic....is the only 5 star album from him, but IWW, Lost Tapes, and Stillmatic are all around 4.5

I agree with 2 for each. I was saying they don't have more than 2.

i give Relapse a 4.25 btw

yea Jason i edited my post my bad lol

I see the edit, no problem.

Subjectively Face has 4 solo classics but objectively I say 3 mos def. Cube for me has 3 solo classics also but 2 if I am being objective.

You might be right about Scarface. Personally, Mr. Scarface is Back has never hit me like that, but looking at it more objectively, it probably should be considered a classic.

Slang Editorial wrote:

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. Same with Ice Cube, only if NWA is counted. The rest, I disagree with.

your crazy man LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out, Radio
Scarface - Diary, Mr Scarface is Back
Ghostface - Ironman, Supreme Clientele
Nas - Illmatic....is the only 5 star album from him, but IWW, Lost Tapes, and Stillmatic are all around 4.5

EDIT: you said more than 2 classics my bad i thought you said at least 2 classics, disregard this

Bigger and Deffer and The Fix are classics too IMO

Am I the only one who thinks Cube's "The Predator" is 5/5 classic?

Justin Linker wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks Cube's "The Predator" is 5/5 classic?

Kev thinks it's classic too, and I have a friend who has it in his Top 20. It's a dope album for sure but to me it's 4.5/5

3.5

Just didn't do anything for me. Dope the first couple times, then unmemorable.

Kool John at times you struggle so mightily. You used flawed logic for your anti-classic stance. You say Eminem has two albums which are better. Okay, sure. So you think Nas has what, 4 classics? 2 of the 4 must be better than the other 2, so those other 2 can't be classics by your logic, right?

Also, Stillmatic can't be a classic, and a lot of your other favorites can't be, because you have said before you skip at least one, if not two tracks on Stillmatic. You can't have it both ways, so which is it?

Steve wrote:

Kool John at times you struggle so mightily. You used flawed logic for your anti-classic stance. You say Eminem has two albums which are better. Okay, sure. So you think Nas has what, 4 classics? 2 of the 4 must be better than the other 2, so those other 2 can't be classics by your logic, right?

Also, Stillmatic can't be a classic, and a lot of your other favorites can't be, because you have said before you skip at least one, if not two tracks on Stillmatic. You can't have it both ways, so which is it?

How the fuck is my logic flawed???? I CLEARLY stated why I feel Relapse is not a classic. It has 3 tracks on it that I clearly can't stand. I can spin the SSLP and MMLP without skipping a track.

As for Stillmatic, the only track I have always skipped on it is "Braveheart Party", but the reissue of the album doesn't even have Braveheart Party on it. Therefore it's a classic IMO.

Sure, I occasionally skip tracks on albums BUT it's not because those songs are wack, it's just that at times I'm in the mood to hear certain tracks more than others. Take Lost Tapes for example. I sometimes skip "Everybody's Crazy" but I can stand to listen to it. I can't stand to listen to "My Mom" or "We Made You" on Relapse though.

Illmatic is without question Nas' best album, but I can listen to It Was Written, The Lost Tapes, and Stillmatic without skipping a track. Just like Thriller is Michael Jackson's best album, but I can listen to Off The Wall and Bad without skipping a track as well.

If you feel that Relapse is a classic, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion but in my opinion it's not. I hope everything I just said clears things up for you. If not, then I don't know what to tell you.

"Am I the only one who thinks Cube's "The Predator" is 5/5 classic?"

The Predator is better than AMW by a hair, IMO. It has 3 of my favorite Cube tracks in "Now I Gotta Wet 'Cha", "The Predator", and "Check Yo Self"

BTW, I give Relapse around a 4.25

solid 3...i rescind my 2.9999 rating-

nothing mind blowing-nothing out of his element- to quote myself,

"Im just puzzled as to how he became clean.....then made this, like it was supposed to be the eye opener, the breath of fresh air? A potential sequel is around the corner...whether he's on drugs or not during its creation will.....well, not really make a difference at all.."

...and according to the poll, my 3 rating's not in the minority...

yes, 6/19, or less than 1/3 voted that way, mostly to piss me off. way less than a majority

Man anybody rating this album 3.0 or below are either

1. Never a fan or real listener of Em.
2. Expected to much from his "comeback"
3. Keep comparing it to his older material
4. Just fucking stupid.

KRob86 wrote:

Man anybody rating this album 3.0 or below are either

1. Never a fan or real listener of Em.
2. Expected to much from his "comeback"
3. Keep comparing it to his older material
4. Just fucking stupid.

Co-Sign! Fuck the haters. Relapse is EASILY one of the best albums of 2009.

KRob86 wrote:

Man anybody rating this album 3.0 or below are either

1. Never a fan or real listener of Em.
2. Expected to much from his "comeback"
3. Keep comparing it to his older material
4. Just fucking stupid.

1. Yeah, OK, ive never had the ability to get away from his releases, he drops an album-everybody has a listen sooner or later...he's not exactly on some "underground shit"
2. Well, goddamn, hype says otherwise
3. He's like a caterpillar with wings, not yet a butterfly...he doesnt stray far from mom/wife/celebrity/everyone else bashing and generally sticks with the same formula...not necessarily a bad thing either- a more mature eminem? or just digs deeper and delivers differently?
4.No...not stupid.

***again,not blind bashing it either, just not ready to sacrifice the white bitch to King Kong over it like the rest of yous...***
..3 different threads about one album...classic

Jason wrote:

Interesting. I could see Run-DMC, KRS-One if you count BDP and his solo work. Maybe Gangstarr, but I'd lean towards no. Scarface only if you count the Geto Boys stuff also. Same with Ice Cube, only if NWA is counted. The rest, I disagree with.

You're buggin'...

Oh, and 3.5 for Relapse, IMO guys.