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PostSubject: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 2:43 pm

State who you give credit to and why?

I ain't buying the just-ice story without FACTS.


I lean towards Melle Mel personally... to give birth to the roots... and schoolly d to really make it his own... and ice T for making it mainstream...
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 3:21 pm

I actually agree with you. Melle Mel (along with Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five) was the TRUE pioneer of gangsta rap.

The Message is my favorite song of all time. That song did for gangsta/reality rap what MLK did for Civil Rights.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 3:26 pm

The Message is indeed a top ten GOAT single/song/etc.

And of course Flash and the Furious Five get credit as well, but I think Melle Mel was the main emcee putting it out there.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 4:17 pm

I think Melle Mel set the standards or structure for gangsta rap talking about how hard it is in the streets. But the person to actually start talking about killing, dealing, pimping, etc etc it in 1st person view was Schooly D and Ice-T with honorable mention to Too Short and Just Ice.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 6:51 pm

The Message is NOT gangsta rap and never has been considered as such...it was the first song though that had "political" over tones...kinda like Public Enemy before Public Enemy

as far as gangsta rap well that goes out to Schoolly D and Just-Ice as the actual pioneers...Ice-T did bring out more to the mainstream, but if you know your history on Ice-T he originally was a "friendly" rock styled emcee wearing metal chains hanging from his jeans and appearing in movies..like Breakin and Breakin 2...he was an actor...gangsta rap from him started appearing after Just-Ice and Schoolly D had already done it...he is credited for bringing it to the mainstream because he was a larger artist than both of them where at the time due to appearing in those movies...and also doing the Colors soundtrack...
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 9:15 pm

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The Message is NOT gangsta rap and never has been considered as such...it was the first song though that had "political" over tones...kinda like Public Enemy before Public Enemy

The Message is REALITY rap, which in basically what gangsta rap is. The song is a vivid description of street life and most gangsta rappers cite that song as an influence on their style. It's clearly responsible for the expansion of reality/gangsta rap.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 9:16 pm

I STARTED THIS GANGSTER SHIT, AND THIS IS THE MOTHAFUCKING THANKS I GET.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 9:20 pm

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D.Powell wrote:
The Message is NOT gangsta rap and never has been considered as such...it was the first song though that had "political" over tones...kinda like Public Enemy before Public Enemy

The Message is REALITY rap, which in basically what gangsta rap is. The song is a vivid description of street life and most gangsta rappers cite that song as an influence on their style. It's clearly responsible for the expansion of reality/gangsta rap.

Gotta cosign KJ on this one... The Message is as real as it gets.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 15 Dec 2009, 11:59 pm

Just-Ice was the first to do a whole album with straight gangster rap, but obviously without The Message there would be no Just-Ice.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:40 am

Schooly D, Just, and Ice T all dropped their debut in 86 to my knowledge so who says who was first? Can't go by release date.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:46 am

Powell is right...Schoolly D and Just-Ice. Ice T was indeed rockin' chains and spikes and rockin' out on some rock/Run DMC/Egyptian Lover hybrid type of bullshit at first. There are sound bites and footage out there if you look for it. He moved out west (he's from Jersey) and got caught up in the scene. Stop drinking the kool aid. He's about as gangsta (and western) as Tupac...and I don't mean that in a positive way. Or...is he a pimp? I'm confused...

There's absolutely nothing gangsta about "The Message"...

You guys are grabbing at straws with this gangsta/reality bullshit. The two aren't synonymous. The Fresh Prince was a "reality" rapper too...

Making something mainstream doesn't make you an originator. Word to Elvis. You're just showing someone else's creation to more people. Ask Chuck Berry...

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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:56 am

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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:58 am

The Just Ice shit is just NYC revisionist bullshit... It was Schoolly who made the first gangsta rap record.. Ice T who made it mainstream shortly there after... and I still consider Melle Mel a big influence on gansgta rap regardless of how we label it. Just-Ice came out with a hardcore record around the same time, but it wasn't gangster rap like Schoolly or Ice were making.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 1:39 am

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The Just Ice shit is just NYC revisionist bullshit... It was Schoolly who made the first gangsta rap record.. Ice T who made it mainstream shortly there after... and I still consider Melle Mel a big influence on gansgta rap regardless of how we label it. Just-Ice came out with a hardcore record around the same time, but it wasn't gangster rap like Schoolly or Ice were making.

No, I agree with you, but the guys that were there before rappers were even making records point to him, so, I'm not so sure how revisionist it is. There were a lot of firsts that weren't officially recorded due to it just being some "in the park" type of shit, but chronologically speaking, the stories and the accounts from people that were there show all the arrows pointing back to him and Schoolly.

If I were just naming a name, I'd say Schoolly and only Schoolly...but I wasn't rappin' in the NY parks back in the 70's, I was begging for breast milk. So, I have to go with people that say they were there and saw it themselves...

Oh, and to Ice-T's credit, "Colors" did hit big in '88 (or was it '87?), so he did get an early start, but Schoolly recorded his self titled debut -- you know, the joint with the classic P.S.K. What Does It Mean?" (Park Side Killas) -- in '85 and released it in '86....thus predating anything gangsta that was released by Ice-Tracy.

Just-Ice also debuted in '86. The album, Back To The Old School" even contains a track called "Gangster of Hip Hop"...again predating Tracy...

Tracy would debut in '87 with Rhyme Pays (dope album, btw)...after ditching the s&m garments and picking up the hairspray.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 1:45 am

Oh, definitely. Ice even acknowledges hearing PSK before dropping 6' N The Mornin' - though he claims he already had the song recorded by then... not too sure about that.

And I like you can't really say whether Just-Ice was doing it before he put it on wax. In fact I wouldn't rule out it developing separately at the same time as an option.

I point to Schoolly D as the first just because, like you said, he is the first to put it to record. That and Schoolly was always more focused on the gangster than Just-Ice was. Maybe it was the Mantronix influence, who knows.

Ice T is probably the first Game...if you really think about it... but being the first I'll give him a pass...
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 11:18 am

We can't count out Too Short either as far as one of the orignators of the harder subject matter in rhymes. To my knowledge they say he was dropping undaground pimp/street shit since 1983 in Oakland. Of course NY was the first to get major record deals/label attention so it may seem someone from that area was first. I think Short never gets mentioned because he doesn't really push the gangsta image like the others.

I also think Schooly D if we had to chose one would be the one who deserves the most credit though. But Ice-T deserves it for bringing it to the mainstream.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:22 pm

Bunny Man wrote:
The Just Ice shit is just NYC revisionist bullshit... It was Schoolly who made the first gangsta rap record.. Ice T who made it mainstream shortly there after... and I still consider Melle Mel a big influence on gansgta rap regardless of how we label it. Just-Ice came out with a hardcore record around the same time, but it wasn't gangster rap like Schoolly or Ice were making.













Two records released by Just-Ice one in 1986 and one in 1987...both calling himself a GANGSTA of hip-hop music....get it right SRP because you just don't know man, so you make comments on stuff you have no clue about...this is PROOF man

for the record Schoolly D came out in 1985 so he is the original pioneer along with Short Dogg out west and Just-Ice came next and just added to the entire concept....and after him came Ice-T and N.W.A....all in that order!


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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 12:31 pm

Actually the single for 6 N The Morning was released in 1986 too... so get your facts right too Powell.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 1:54 pm

U got your info from wiki..LMAO!

I'm going to copy and paste that bullshit...they call BDP a Gangsta hip-hop group too...I guess Criminal Minded will do that to people but those who actually know will tell that BDP is not a Gangsta hip-hop recording group....stop getting your "facts" from wiki man okay??

just admit you don't know and move on my dude...hey I don't know much about Nickatina either and I ADMIT IT...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangsta_rap


there is the copy of the wiki answers about Gangsta Rap....
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 1:56 pm

Please Pedro don't use that as your only source of info ever again...and if you have another source then please tell me who told you about mid 80's hip-hop and the climate of that time period??
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 3:12 pm




lol...early Ice-T...before he was "gangsta"....lol...watch after 2:29 seconds of this video!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 5:03 pm

Actually Powell, I get most of my info on the west coast old school rap scene here:

http://www.westcoastpioneers.com/

you should check it out.

Somehow, I fail to see how the source of my information or the fact Ice-T wasn't always a gangster rapper change the fact 6 N The Morning was released as a b-side in 1986?
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 5:42 pm

of course you fail to see things Pedro...your going off what someone else wrote while I remember from what I witnessed....

the only I'm saying about what you've written is that

1. Melle Mel has NEVER been associated with the gangsta rap genre to my knowledge, I've never heard that mentioned before man

2.Schoolly D-P.S.K. What Does It Mean? has always been referred to as the ORIGINAL gangsta rap record...recorded in 1985, by a brother outta Philly

3.Just-Ice was always recognized as a continuation of what Schoolly started but he just added a NY flavor to it....

4.Ice-T in terms of the gangsta genre really took over and got that running AFTER Schoolly D and Just-Ice were already immersed in it...just like 6 N The Morning was released in 1986 as a single so was Just-Ice's entire first album Back To The Old School....


you just like to either get "facts" from others or create your own facts Pedro...this is how you have always been man...it's all good my dude!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 5:57 pm

"We can't count out Too Short either as far as one of the orignators of the harder subject matter in rhymes. To my knowledge they say he was dropping undaground pimp/street shit since 1983 in Oakland. Of course NY was the first to get major record deals/label attention so it may seem someone from that area was first. I think Short never gets mentioned because he doesn't really push the gangsta image like the others. "

I wouldn't count Short Dog in this conversation. "Don't Stop Rappin'" was barely a pimp tape, anyways.

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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Wed 16 Dec 2009, 6:57 pm

Considering you are saying anything substantially different than what I said I assume you're just arguing for the sake of arguing Powell and let it be. Hit up that site - learn something if you are so inclined.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Fri 01 Jan 2010, 10:46 pm

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The Message is NOT gangsta rap and never has been considered as such...it was the first song though that had "political" over tones...kinda like Public Enemy before Public Enemy

as far as gangsta rap well that goes out to Schoolly D and Just-Ice as the actual pioneers...Ice-T did bring out more to the mainstream, but if you know your history on Ice-T he originally was a "friendly" rock styled emcee wearing metal chains hanging from his jeans and appearing in movies..like Breakin and Breakin 2...he was an actor...gangsta rap from him started appearing after Just-Ice and Schoolly D had already done it...he is credited for bringing it to the mainstream because he was a larger artist than both of them where at the time due to appearing in those movies...and also doing the Colors soundtrack...

Ice-T was at a club one night rapping and some movie producers askd him to be in Breakin' 2. Something happened to the actor they hired and had to scoop Ice-T at the last moment. Ice-T admitted the way they had him dress was ridiculous. Ice-T never rocked gear like that it was fuckin' Hollywood tryna falsify the image of rappers as usual. Ice-T took gangsta rap to new levels. With him there was no confusion. When you first heard Just-Ice or Schooly they didn't seem like gangsta rappers. In reality they are as close to Gangsta rap as Reakwon and Ghostface. They seem more like street rappers. Especially Just-Ice since he mixes things up with Rastafarian swagger and Hebrew Israelite knowlege.

Schooly D was an actor for real. He even admitted that shit was an act. Even though he did grow up in the ghetto. Schooly D don't even like being called that name anymore. In a later interview Schooly D had very gay mannerisms. Schooly was a weak-ass rapper. Nothing he did is remotely rememberable. He got the King Of New York soundtrack and he botched that up. Compare Ice-T's New Jack Hustler to Schooly's King Of NewYork! Most people don't even remember KON or even heard of it. And why in the hell would they have a rapper from Philly creating a song called King Of NewYork anyway? Thats Hollywood for ya'.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 11:28 am

LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:13 pm

Everyone knows that whether Ice-T was "tricked" into wearing those chains or not this is still the way he first appeared to the general public and will always be how is he remembered in terms of his first major appearances

he is also credited with introducing "gangsta" hip-hop on a mainstream level due to his appearances in those movies wearing those chains....they helped give him the most exposure to help propel "gangsta" hip-hop to the suburbs

but when it comes to who DID "gangsta" hip-hop first well then Schoolly D and Just-Ice beat him to it...plain and simple...if you listen to 6 In The Morning...the way that Ice is spitting on that track, sounds very much like Schoolly on PSK.What Does It Mean??

their ryhme cadences are similiar on those tracks....PSK dropped in 1985...6 In The Morning dropped in 1986

the fact that Schoolly D did a song called King Of New York and he was in fact from Philly is because he was at the time the one most associated with "gangsta" rap and that was in fact a gangsta movie...it had nothing to do with the fact of him being from Philly...he was just doing what he was asked for a movie soundtrack...that's all there
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:16 pm

KRob86 wrote:
LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 12:44 pm

Good point Powell, Schooly was the obvious choice for that song since the picks were very very slim for that time frame. Also I agree about the similiaity of 6 N Da Morning and PSK beat wise.

ICe T makes Just Ice look like Kurtis Blow.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 1:16 pm

KRob86 wrote:
Good point Powell, Schooly was the obvious choice for that song since the picks were very very slim for that time frame. Also I agree about the similiaity of 6 N Da Morning and PSK beat wise.

ICe T makes Just Ice look like Kurtis Blow.


LOL...lyrically Ice-T was not the most lyrical cat Kev...come on now..Just-Ice lyrically was better than Ice-T stop that Kurtis Blow stuff...because Kurtis was just straight elementary man...lol

Just-Ice was spitting with KRS-One and holding his own....he was very decent on the mic man...but he had a short career for the most part and moderate success, whereareas Ice-T had waaay more success and impact then him...I'm only talking lyrically when I say that Just-Ice is better than him...as an overall artist Ice-T is kicking his ass...but on the mic device Just-Ice would kill him man...come on Kev..lol
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 1:35 pm

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KRob86 wrote:
Good point Powell, Schooly was the obvious choice for that song since the picks were very very slim for that time frame. Also I agree about the similiaity of 6 N Da Morning and PSK beat wise.

ICe T makes Just Ice look like Kurtis Blow.


LOL...lyrically Ice-T was not the most lyrical cat Kev...come on now..Just-Ice lyrically was better than Ice-T stop that Kurtis Blow stuff...because Kurtis was just straight elementary man...lol

Just-Ice was spitting with KRS-One and holding his own....he was very decent on the mic man...but he had a short career for the most part and moderate success, whereareas Ice-T had waaay more success and impact then him...I'm only talking lyrically when I say that Just-Ice is better than him...as an overall artist Ice-T is kicking his ass...but on the mic device Just-Ice would kill him man...come on Kev..lol

I agree that Just Ice was dope as fuck, but Ice-T was better IMO.

As for Kurtis Blow, he wasn't the best lyricist but he did have some classic songs. The Breaks would make my Top 100 easily.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 1:54 pm

That's what I said KJ, that Ice-T as an artist is kickin Just-Ice's ass......I said lyrically though I'm going with Just-Ice...lyrically only I'm going with Just-Ice...but as an overall artist meaning who made better songs...who had bigger impact, who is clearly the better overall ARTIST...then I'm going with Ice-T too my dude!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 5:48 pm

Damn I hate being late.........gotta go with Powell AD/ED on this one......while "The Message" was REALITY it wasn't all that "gangsta" IMO (Fresh,Wild, Fly And Bold was more "gangsta")........what separates "The Message" from "PSK" and the like is its positive tone........and while Ice-T is a much more well-rounded artist than Just-Ice in a REAL MC fight Just-Ice would slay Ice-T. That's my take on it anyways.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 8:31 pm

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LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!

LOL...I don't think so Powell. Both are tight but you're exaggerating that gap quite a bit IMO. Ice-T is a better lyricist than you give him credit for. I'd have to give him the leg-up lyrically.


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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 8:34 pm

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ICe T makes Just Ice look like Kurtis Blow.

I sort of agree with this...in a way. Ice-T's edge was way harder and more sincere that Just-Ice even on JI's 2nd album. You can barely call his debut gangsta with those beats from Mantronik....at least when compared to Rhyme Pays and especially any album that followed by Ice-T. Ice-T's confidence and badassness is like lyrical murder. lol
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 11:07 pm

I think Grandmaster Caz can take Kurtis Blow in a battle.

And speaking of Schooly D, check out thoes videoes at the bottom of the "Schooly D is dope..." thread. Total dopeness.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 11:38 pm

Obviously you fools haven't heard Ice T on Analogue Brothers. Dude would kill Just-Ice.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Mon 01 Feb 2010, 11:58 pm

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LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!

LOL...I don't think so Powell. Both are tight but you're exaggerating that gap quite a bit IMO. Ice-T is a better lyricist than you give him credit for. I'd have to give him the leg-up lyrically.


Ice-T as an ARTIST is better than Just-Ice but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would melt Ice-T man...it's not even close...Ice-T is not a battle emcee...that's just not his forte man...he's a pimp...he's a mack...and he's a "gangsta" but battling should be left to the battlers and Just-Ice is a battle styled emcee and he would kill Ice-T in that aspect IN MY OPINION!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 12:33 am

Powell, seriously, listen to Anologue Brothers, then have this conversation.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 12:41 am

once again, being a better battle MC does not necessarily make them a better lyricist
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 2:09 am

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There's absolutely nothing gangsta about "The Message"...

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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 2:11 am

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ICe T makes Just Ice look like Kurtis Blow.

Indeed.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 2:11 am

As for the topic, I vote Schooly D/Ice-T
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 8:21 am

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once again, being a better battle MC does not necessarily make them a better lyricist


Ummm Slang this was geared towards who would win in a battle lyric for lyric and that's where Just-Ice is smothering Ice-T IMO...but again IMO Ice-T was NEVER a lyrical emcee...NEVER...he made some really great songs throughout his career and has had some exceptional wives...but LYRICALLY no one ever confused him with a real spitter..not even once...Just-Ice on the other hand has been known as a pure spitter....the comparisons you've heard to Kurtis Blow was just Kev being funny (I hope) but let's remember in Kev's mind Rakim is not a lyrical genius....need I say more?? LMAO!


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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 8:23 am

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Powell, seriously, listen to Anologue Brothers, then have this conversation.

I've heard it Jeffrey..years ago and thought it was decent but not as dope as your acting like it was IN MY OPINION!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 7:53 pm

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KRob86 wrote:
LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!

LOL...I don't think so Powell. Both are tight but you're exaggerating that gap quite a bit IMO. Ice-T is a better lyricist than you give him credit for. I'd have to give him the leg-up lyrically.


Ice-T as an ARTIST is better than Just-Ice but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would melt Ice-T man...it's not even close...Ice-T is not a battle emcee...that's just not his forte man...he's a pimp...he's a mack...and he's a "gangsta" but battling should be left to the battlers and Just-Ice is a battle styled emcee and he would kill Ice-T in that aspect IN MY OPINION!

Oh, I'm picking up what you're putting down. My ears still tell me Ice-T is more than just a pimp or a mack or a gangsta. Lyrically I find him more impressive than Just-Ice to a very slight degree...and I love both....Just-Ice's first 2 albums are definitely classics IMO. Not all of his work captures his flow at it's peak (Ice-T)....it is more about attitude and the "overall artist" in him...I agree. Just-Ice may be more of a battle emcee, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily better.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 7:54 pm

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Obviously you fools haven't heard Ice T on Analogue Brothers. Dude would kill Just-Ice.

Great example of Ice-T's impeccable flow...

That is a great album.
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 8:02 pm

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D.Powell wrote:
Alan wrote:
D.Powell wrote:
KRob86 wrote:
LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!

LOL...I don't think so Powell. Both are tight but you're exaggerating that gap quite a bit IMO. Ice-T is a better lyricist than you give him credit for. I'd have to give him the leg-up lyrically.


Ice-T as an ARTIST is better than Just-Ice but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would melt Ice-T man...it's not even close...Ice-T is not a battle emcee...that's just not his forte man...he's a pimp...he's a mack...and he's a "gangsta" but battling should be left to the battlers and Just-Ice is a battle styled emcee and he would kill Ice-T in that aspect IN MY OPINION!

Oh, I'm picking up what you're putting down. My ears still tell me Ice-T is more than just a pimp or a mack or a gangsta. Lyrically I find him more impressive than Just-Ice to a very slight degree...and I love both....Just-Ice's first 2 albums are definitely classics IMO. Not all of his work captures his flow at it's peak (Ice-T)....it is more about attitude and the "overall artist" in him...I agree. Just-Ice may be more of a battle emcee, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily better.


I NEVER said Just-Ice was better Pounds...where did I say that?? I said Ice-T is a BETTER artist than Just-Ice OVERALL...what that means in my opinion is that he makes/has made better material than Just-Ice...however I do think that Just-Ice is more lyrical and would take Ice-T in a battle but this is all speculation unless they actually battle right?? so this is just my opinion on each emcee man!
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PostSubject: Re: Who Invented Gangster Rap?   Tue 02 Feb 2010, 8:37 pm

D.Powell wrote:
Alan wrote:
D.Powell wrote:
Alan wrote:
D.Powell wrote:
KRob86 wrote:
LOL...good points Trotter and I agree with most of it. Ice T was the first to completely embrace the gangsta/street rap persona with the most overall talent. On the mic to me he beats anything Schooly or Just ever spit.


And Kev although I will admit that Ice-T had way more memorable songs he could not fuck with Just-Ice LYRICALLY on the mic in anyway,shape,form or fashion IMO


He made more memorable and possibly better songs, but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would've killed his ass IMO!

LOL...I don't think so Powell. Both are tight but you're exaggerating that gap quite a bit IMO. Ice-T is a better lyricist than you give him credit for. I'd have to give him the leg-up lyrically.


Ice-T as an ARTIST is better than Just-Ice but LYRICALLY Just-Ice would melt Ice-T man...it's not even close...Ice-T is not a battle emcee...that's just not his forte man...he's a pimp...he's a mack...and he's a "gangsta" but battling should be left to the battlers and Just-Ice is a battle styled emcee and he would kill Ice-T in that aspect IN MY OPINION!

Oh, I'm picking up what you're putting down. My ears still tell me Ice-T is more than just a pimp or a mack or a gangsta. Lyrically I find him more impressive than Just-Ice to a very slight degree...and I love both....Just-Ice's first 2 albums are definitely classics IMO. Not all of his work captures his flow at it's peak (Ice-T)....it is more about attitude and the "overall artist" in him...I agree. Just-Ice may be more of a battle emcee, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily better.


I NEVER said Just-Ice was better Pounds...where did I say that?? I said Ice-T is a BETTER artist than Just-Ice OVERALL...what that means in my opinion is that he makes/has made better material than Just-Ice...however I do think that Just-Ice is more lyrical and would take Ice-T in a battle but this is all speculation unless they actually battle right?? so this is just my opinion on each emcee man!

LOL...I know Powell. I'm not confused by what you're saying. I'm just saying the gap of lyrical ability between the two is about as wide as a dime is thick - just my opinion. Maybe both of our viewpoints are a bit skewed...
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