Little Brother preps possible FINAL album...

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.9245/title.phonte-hints-at-little-brother-hiatus

Damn...I know not alot of people here are fans of LB, but sucks this may be their last. Hope they get 9th on some production, for real.

I was laughing my ass off at that interview... Phonte is all like "what is there left to do" and I'm like HOW BOUT SELLING FUCKING RECORDS? HOW BOUT LIVING UP TO THE HYPE?

smhhh

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

I was laughing my ass off at that interview... Phonte is all like "what is there left to do" and I'm like HOW BOUT SELLING FUCKING RECORDS? HOW BOUT LIVING UP TO THE HYPE?

Little Brother has SURPASSED the hype. Well to be honest, they are underrated so there hasn't been much "hype" to begin with. I really do like these cats though. I've spun "The Minstrel Show", "The Listening", and "Chitlin Circuit 1.5" frequently over the last several months and feel that they're all classics. "Getback" as well as "And Justus for All" are bangers as well. The latter two albums would have been better with 9th producing them, but they were still hot nonetheless.

Phonte and Big Pooh are awesome lyricists, so I'll be coppin this for sure. I really dig their subject matter. They're like the ATCQ of the 21st century. I hope that 9th Wonder shows up on some tracks as well, but even if he doesn't I'm sure that this will be a dope album nonetheless. It does suck that this could be the last one, but if it is I'm sure they'll go out on a high note

As for them selling records, in order to do that in this day and age, you need GREAT PROMOTION and not many rappers, solo or group, have that nowadays. Most of the best MC's nowadays have trouble selling mass amounts of records. But regardless of how this joint sells, if it's in the same class as it's predecessors then I won't complain at all. Little Brother is AWESOME, fuck the haters!!!

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

Wow, that really shows how dumbed down american culture has become in recent years.

Not quite - there's plenty of mindless drivel - major and independent - yet some is popular and some is not - there is a talent possessed by Plies that LB never had...

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

ARE YOU FUCKIN SHITTIN ME? You're comparing LB to a talentless joke like Plies? You're fucking delusional!!

The reason Plies sells is the same reason why other bums like Lil Wayne, Souljah Boy, Young Jeezy, and the like sell, because they're COMMERCIAL! Talent DOES NOT sell nowadays usually, it's all about being marketable and having commercial material. Plies does nothing but rap about money, cars, cribs, hoes, and robbing people, and the young kids today like that shit so they cop it. It DOES NOT make Plies a better artist. Being on the same label doesn't mean dick! Record companies hype people that are commercial. Little Brother is not commercial, and has much deeper subject matter which doesn't appeal to today's youth and that's unfortunate because they're clearly more talented.

Don't confuse selling records with being dope, because that's complete and total BULLSHIT!

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Not quite - there's plenty of mindless drivel - major and independent - yet some is popular and some is not - there is a talent possessed by Plies that LB never had...

Talent like what? Talking about money, cars, cribs, and hoes? Like his generic ass Romper Room lyrics? Little Brother is A TRILLION TIMES more talented than Plies could ever DREAM of being!!! You're confusing bullshit commercialism with talent.

OK Kool John... - So explain to me why out of all the commercial rappers in the world... Plies and Jeezy sell records while guys like Ace Hood, Blood Raw, 2 Pistols don't.

I really want to know how you rationalize that... since they are all talentless...

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

OK Kool John... - So explain to me why out of all the commercial rappers in the world... Plies and Jeezy sell records while guys like Ace Hood, Blood Raw, 2 Pistols don't.

I really want to know how you rationalize that... since they are all talentless...

Jeezy was originally put on by Diddy (Boyz N The Hood) and then had a great production team behind him which allowed Thug Motivation to blow up the way it did. Not to mention big name guest stars like R Kelly, Jay Z, and Akon. That always helps.

As for Plies, the pop-bopper crowd loves songs like Shawty and Bust It Baby. Out of those others you mentioned, only Ace Hood really had any noteriety, and that's because he's down with DJ Khaled. He never had that breakout single though.

Both Jeezy and Plies are popular with the pop-bopper/female/under 18 crowd, which is why they're so successful.

Jeezy was not put out by Diddy... he blew up BEFORE Boyz N The Hood... so that is wrong on that part.

But you admit that Jeezy has better production than LB and is better respected than LB since Jay Z was on his album ...

And why does Plies sell RECORDS, not just ringtones or singles, but albums if he is just popular among the pop bopper crowd which does not buy records?

yeah, Jeezy had a buzz in the south before Diddy, and i think his feature with Gucci Mane was before Boyz N The Hood.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Jeezy was not put out by Diddy... he blew up BEFORE Boyz N The Hood... so that is wrong on that part.

But you admit that Jeezy has better production than LB and is better respected than LB since Jay Z was on his album ...

And why does Plies sell RECORDS, not just ringtones or singles, but albums if he is just popular among the pop bopper crowd which does not buy records?

I disagree about having better production. 9th Wonder was AWESOME! So what about Jigga being on Jeezy's album though, he was also on Rick Ross' debut.

And the pop-bopper crowd buys WAY MORE albums than the real hip-hop heads. At least in the East Coast. Most guys around here just pirate music, or have a friend buy it and burn them a copy.

LB will be missed as a group...regardless of how many records they did or didn't sell.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

That, sir, is simply an innacurate statement.

BET Hip-Hop Award nominations, ringtone commercials, guest spots, 106 & Park rotation from a channel that refused to air LB videos, etc... Plies got more promo than LB.

Not only that, they aren't even comparable in that context because they were never label mates. On the same label, yes. Label mates, no. LB got dropped before Plies ever released an album.

Just a clarification...

Yeah the east coast are a bunch of hypocrites who bitch constantly but do everything in their power to cannablize their culture. Well put, KJ.

While I disagree with you...yeah nevermind I just totally disagree with you.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Yeah the east coast are a bunch of hypocrites who bitch constantly but do everything in their power to cannablize their culture. Well put, KJ.

While I disagree with you...yeah nevermind I just totally disagree with you.

You really should clarify whether you're joking or not sometimes, Jeff...

Are there no bootleggers in Iowa or is that an east coast exclusive? Don't answer that if you're joking...

Sorry, Norf. I wasn't kidding so much as not really being fond of KJ's excuse making up there. I'm not a fan of Plies or Little Brother, but I don't really think that either side here is giving the other any credit. It's the same fued that seems to have been going on since Link started this forum, and it's kinda ridiculous. I know that you don't mean to take sides Norf, and you're just stating your opinion, but you have to understand the frustration of people that happen to like hip hop outside of a coast and time period.

Kopasetick wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

That, sir, is simply an innacurate statement.

BET Hip-Hop Award nominations, ringtone commercials, guest spots, 106 & Park rotation from a channel that refused to air LB videos, etc... Plies got more promo than LB.

Not only that, they aren't even comparable in that context because they were never label mates. On the same label, yes. Label mates, no. LB got dropped before Plies ever released an album.

Just a clarification...

Norf droppin knowledge as always

Kopasetick wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

That, sir, is simply an innacurate statement.

BET Hip-Hop Award nominations, ringtone commercials, guest spots, 106 & Park rotation from a channel that refused to air LB videos, etc... Plies got more promo than LB.

Not only that, they aren't even comparable in that context because they were never label mates. On the same label, yes. Label mates, no. LB got dropped before Plies ever released an album.

Just a clarification...

I never said they were label mates - I said they were on the same label - which they were - and I don't think Atlantic changed much in the year or two between that would warrant that even mattering.

Add to that the fact that all that "promo" you mention was a RESULT of Plies' hustle and popularity and not the CAUSE of it. You only get nominated for an award AFTER the fact, ringtone commercials AFTER your song becomes popular, guest spots AFTER you're a proven rapper that can sell. The only theory that may hold is that 106 and Park may have found it easier to rotate Plies than LB, but most of what you mentioned is not promo.

LMAO @ LB having THREE CLASSICS. LMAO.

Finally...

But seriously,

"yeah, Jeezy had a buzz in the south before Diddy, and i think his feature with Gucci Mane was before Boyz N The Hood."

Wasn't Jeezy's first big song 'Grey Goose' with Yo Gotti?

Quailty of music..

The Minstel Show>Plies/Jeezy whole career
The Listening>Plies/Jeezy whole career
The Chitlen Circuit>Plies/Jeezy whole career

J. Linker of 0nSlaught3r wrote:

Damn...I know not alot of people here are fans of LB, but sucks this may be their last. Hope they get 9th on some production, for real.

I hope this isnt their last album. Little Brother just continues to make good music. I didnt even list Get Back which was another good one.

Plies style of rap is in and for the ladies he's easy on the eyes...LB style of rap is not in mainstream wise and no major outlets are checking for them in a major way. That is the main reason Plies sales more than LB. Plus simplier tunes have always out sold more complex tunes in every genre. Nothing new about that.

KRob86 wrote:

Plies style of rap is in and for the ladies he's easy on the eyes...LB style of rap is not in mainstream wise and no major outlets are checking for them in a major way. That is the main reason Plies sales more than LB. Plus simplier tunes have always out sold more complex tunes in every genre. Nothing new about that.

Exactly. It's like putting Talib Kweli, Black Moon and Nelly on the same record label then being proud that Nelly out sold them.

KRob86 wrote:

Plies style of rap is in and for the ladies he's easy on the eyes...LB style of rap is not in mainstream wise and no major outlets are checking for them in a major way. That is the main reason Plies sales more than LB. Plus simplier tunes have always out sold more complex tunes in every genre. Nothing new about that.

Simply not true... because there were times when Talib and Black Moon sold well. People need to stop making so many excuses for their favorites when it comes to not selling... simply put - LB made an OK CD for their major label debut, marketed it like idiots and that is why they didn't sell.

lol Kevin and Vernon think Plies is "easy on the eyes". They're a couple of homos.

Steve wrote:

LMAO @ LB having THREE CLASSICS. LMAO.

You're just a fuckin hater. Plain and simple. I can't think of too many post-2000 MC's with better discogs.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Yeah the east coast are a bunch of hypocrites who bitch constantly but do everything in their power to cannablize their culture. Well put, KJ.

While I disagree with you...yeah nevermind I just totally disagree with you.

Eat a dick N3R0, you'll use ANY excuse to hate on the East Coast.

BTW dumbass, Little Brother is from the SOUTH! You're from Iowa so you have no idea what's going on in the East Coast.

KJ Styles wrote:

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Yeah the east coast are a bunch of hypocrites who bitch constantly but do everything in their power to cannablize their culture. Well put, KJ.

While I disagree with you...yeah nevermind I just totally disagree with you.

Eat a dick N3R0, you'll use ANY excuse to hate on the East Coast.

BTW dumbass, Little Brother is from the SOUTH!

LB is definitely from the southern hemisphere

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Little Brother was on the same label as Plies. Plies received the same promotion as LB - which was ZERO - yet plies has gone Gold each album and LB has not gone gold with all their albums combined... so save the excuses - they were on a major label they just failed to deliver...

That, sir, is simply an innacurate statement.

BET Hip-Hop Award nominations, ringtone commercials, guest spots, 106 & Park rotation from a channel that refused to air LB videos, etc... Plies got more promo than LB.

Not only that, they aren't even comparable in that context because they were never label mates. On the same label, yes. Label mates, no. LB got dropped before Plies ever released an album.

Just a clarification...

I never said they were label mates - I said they were on the same label - which they were - and I don't think Atlantic changed much in the year or two between that would warrant that even mattering.

Add to that the fact that all that "promo" you mention was a RESULT of Plies' hustle and popularity and not the CAUSE of it. You only get nominated for an award AFTER the fact, ringtone commercials AFTER your song becomes popular, guest spots AFTER you're a proven rapper that can sell. The only theory that may hold is that 106 and Park may have found it easier to rotate Plies than LB, but most of what you mentioned is not promo.

Little Brother was BANNED from BET because their music was deemed "too intelligent" for viewers. Fuckin cocksuckers! Plies is too unintelligent for ME!

Anyone that would bump "Definition of Real" rather than "The Minstrel Show" is NOT a real hip-hop fan!

Wow. That sucks. Little Brother is way underrated. It pisses me off that they wren't able to get as much exposure as some of these other fools. I'm still tripping about wben I heard BET wouldn't play their videos because their music was too intellectul.

That's some ol' bullshit!!

a.scott wrote:

Wow. That sucks. Little Brother is way underrated. It pisses me off that they wren't able to get as much exposure as some of these other fools. I'm still tripping about wben I heard BET wouldn't play their videos because their music was too intellectul.

That's some ol' bullshit!!

It really is some bullshit! I believe Kweli and Dead Prez are banned from that channel too. Ever since Bob Johnson sold it to Viacom, it's gone straight to hell. It's equally as wack as MTV.

a.scott wrote:

Wow. That sucks. Little Brother is way underrated. It pisses me off that they wren't able to get as much exposure as some of these other fools. I'm still tripping about wben I heard BET wouldn't play their videos because their music was too intellectul.

That's some ol' bullshit!!

I love you, A. Scott.

And yes, definitely sucks. I've been an LB fan for about 4 years now, I dig all of their material, with or without 9th (but prefered with 9th) hopefully they'll pull a Jay-Z.

L.B. has certainly been one of the dopest groups to hit the hip hop scene in a long time.

Little Brother is gay; homosexual, if you will

Shon wrote:

Little Brother is gay; homosexual, if you will

don't hate, shon, don't hate.


I really don't understand why people don't like LB. Saying their "gay, or homo" really isn't a good justification as to why they suck.
Anybody care to shed some light on that?.

I don't think they suck, I just can't really get down with the music. Sort of like Blue Scholars (except they suck).

I just put gay and homosexual to rile Kool John. You'll see

lol, im a hater cuz im not a fucking moron thinking LB has 3 classics? okay buddy. do you, but LB is AVERAGE. AVERAGE.



Let's repeat....AVERAGE.

Average?

Steve wrote:

lol, im a hater cuz im not a fucking moron thinking LB has 3 classics? okay buddy. do you, but LB is AVERAGE. AVERAGE.



Let's repeat....AVERAGE.

No Steve, your boy Royce is AVERAGE, LB is fuckin GREAT!

Royce is average...Little Brother is GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!! Okay tony the tiger, if you ever get done jocking the east coast, let me know. Linker doesn't count cuz they're from his area, but you guys...smfh.

Royce would be about to rape Big Pooh but he would stop because Pooh would like it.

...metaphorically speaking

Royce would punish Phonte. Seriously, Phonte is overrated as an MC. He's dope, but i don't see greatness. In all honesty, i don't see the huge divide separating Phonte and Big Pooh.

"Phonte is overrated as an MC. He's dope, but i don't see greatness. In all honesty, i don't see the huge divide separating Phonte and Big Pooh."

Niether do I. Perfect example, look at 'Traffic' from EMC's album.

...don't let Powell see you say that, though

T. Myers wrote:

Royce would punish Phonte. Seriously, Phonte is overrated as an MC. He's dope, but i don't see greatness. In all honesty, i don't see the huge divide separating Phonte and Big Pooh.

I only see the divide because Pooh sucks balls. In the ironic words of Phonte "That's why I love wack n----s. Thank's for making my shit sound so tight..." That's pretty much what LB consisted of -- one ok dude and one garbage dude that made the ok dude sound that much better. It's like the average looking chick that only hangs with ugly, fat chicks. lol Dude was tolerable on the debut, but I can't call anything he's on a classic outside of The Listening. I just vibed with that album on a level that almost never happens anymore. It wasn't necessarily their flows or lyrical prowess, but everything came together perfectly on that album, IMO. I've been calling Pooh garbage for years, though (which is why M. Smith and his many aliases came after me in the first place), and caught a lot of shit for it. I guess the hype had to cool off. Who knows...

Jeff, North Carolina is below the Mason-Dixon line. It's considered a southern territory by everyone outside of Iowa. Just an FYI... lol

T. Myers wrote:

Royce would punish Phonte. Seriously, Phonte is overrated as an MC. He's dope, but i don't see greatness. In all honesty, i don't see the huge divide separating Phonte and Big Pooh.

Both Phonte and Big Pooh are better than Royce. Y'all talk about Royce like he's a GOAT or something. He's like the 3rd best MC in Slaughterhouse! Budden and even Crooked I are better.

I agree with your last statement. That said, Royce murdalizes Phonte and Big Pooh.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Royce is average...Little Brother is GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!! Okay tony the tiger, if you ever get done jocking the east coast, let me know. Linker doesn't count cuz they're from his area, but you guys...smfh.

LB's not from the East Coast, dumbass!

Seriously though, I just don't see the greatness in Royce. If Street Hop turns out to be a great album, it'll ONLY be because Primo's producing it. Guru's an average to above average MC, and look at the magic they've made together!

Royce is on a level with guys like Cassidy and Fabolous. He spits memorable shit at times, but nothing mind blowing. Death Is Certain is like 3.75-4 stars at best. LB's first three albums all trump it, DIC's on par with Getback.