The Greatest Rapper Of All Time

Yes I am thinking about doing a single elimination one vs one only the strong survive thread. And I want to see who makes it to the top. I would also like a partner to help step these match up's up.

These are the 64 rappers that I think any objective person would put in a GOAT position:

1. Rakim
2. Dre 3000
3. Kool G Rap
4. Scarface
5. Jay-Z
6. Pac
7. Cube
8. Chuck D
9. LL Cool J
10.Eminem
11.Common
12.Biggie
13.Redman
14.KRS-One
15.Big Daddy Kane
16.Snoop Dogg
17.Slick Rick
18.Gza
19.Ghostface
20.DMX
21.Black Thought
22.Big Pun
23.Guru
24.Ras Kass
25.K-Rino
26.Treach
27.DJ Quik
28.Canibus
29.Pharoahe Monch
30.Talib Kweli
31.Bun B
32.Lil Wayne ?
33.Raekwon
34.Nas
35.Jeru Da Damaja
36.Prodigy
37.Sticky Finaz
38.Del Tha Funkee
39.Cee Lo
40.MF Doom
41.Masta Ace
42.Kurupt
43.Killah Priest
44.Busta Rhymes
45.Ice-T
46.E-40
47.Mac Dre
48.Spice 1
49.Method Man
50.Jadakiss
51. Mega
52. Puba
53. Kool Keith
54. AZ
55. Q-Tip
56. Bizzy
57. Big Boi ?
58. Big L
59. Mos Def
60. Luda
61. T.I.
62. Heavy D
63. Tech N9ne
64. Too Short


Here's the 64?


Objectively who am I missing? Who needs to be taken off? And whose going to help? No politics, no sales. This is about talent with that mic device and the music. Words, delivery, flow, discog, or whatever you want to use for your measuring stick. Just overall talent vs talent.

To begin, Nas is missing.

Oh shit I thought I put Nas.

KRob86 wrote:

Oh shit I thought I put Nas.

I'm sure you can make a spot for him.

Wayne wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Oh shit I thought I put Nas.

I'm sure you can make a spot for him.

I guess...lol. I took Heavy D off.

KRob86 wrote:

Wayne wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Oh shit I thought I put Nas.

I'm sure you can make a spot for him.

I guess...lol. I took Heavy D off.

Either way KRob, this is a great idea for a thread.

i think Mos Def should be on there, i think Raekwon should be on there, Tech N9ne, Bizzy Bone, Krayzie Bone, Sean Price, Inspectah Deck, Killah Priest, Mac Mall, AZ, Cormega, Jadakiss, KOOL MOTHERFUCKING KEITH should have been a shoe in, Q-Tip, Ludacris, Grand Puba, Sadat X, Lil Fame or Billy Danze, Royca Da 5 9, O.C., AG, Lord Finesse (another shoe in), Big L, Tame One, Xzibit, MF DOOM, Aceyalone, Wise Intelligent, Brotha Lynch Hung, King Tee, Ice-T, Just Ice, B-REAL, Yukmouth, Paris, Kam, Andre Nickatina, MC Ren, TI, Juicy J, Z-Ro, Big Boi, Cee Lo, Vakill, Esham, Brother Ali, Twista, MC Breed, Jeru the Damaja


^^^might as well do 100, all of those have credentials and would win a matchup or so

100 sounds good to me also.

64. That is the number we should use.

Doom, Rae, Kool Keith, Lord Finesse, Big L, B-Real, Big Boi, AZ, Tech n9ne, Bizzy, Krayzie....these are obvious plus the others i mentioned

Slang Editorial wrote:

i think Mos Def should be on there, i think Raekwon should be on there, Tech N9ne, Bizzy Bone, Krayzie Bone, Sean Price, Inspectah Deck, Killah Priest, Mac Mall, AZ, Cormega, Jadakiss, KOOL MOTHERFUCKING KEITH should have been a shoe in, Q-Tip, Ludacris, Grand Puba, Sadat X, Lil Fame or Billy Danze, Royca Da 5 9, O.C., AG, Lord Finesse (another shoe in), Big L, Tame One, Xzibit, MF DOOM, Aceyalone, Wise Intelligent, Brotha Lynch Hung, King Tee, Ice-T, Just Ice, B-REAL, Yukmouth, Paris, Kam, Andre Nickatina, MC Ren, TI, Juicy J, Z-Ro, Big Boi, Cee Lo, Vakill, Esham, Brother Ali, Twista, MC Breed, Jeru the Damaja


^^^might as well do 100, all of those have credentials and would win a matchup or so

I feel you slang and you mention some contenders. But I did ask for you to be objective. Out of that entire list only Q-Tip, KP, Mos Def, and Cee Lo are truly contenders. The rest have never truly been considewred GOATS. I did not want to turn this into the name every fucking rapper contest. Only the heavyweights. And I already mentioned Ice T and Jeru.

And I guess if I mentioned Lil Wayne then I can see Luda, TI, and 50 Cent.

AZ, Cormega, Kool Keith, Q-Tip, Big L (if Pun is included...), Finesse, Xzibit, Doom, Heavy D, Big Boi, Cee-Lo, Krayzie, Bizzy, and Kool Moe Dee could be the 14 added to make it 64.

Kool Keith is a legend and GOAT!

Shaun wrote:

AZ, Cormega, Kool Keith, Q-Tip, Big L (if Pun is included...), Finesse, Xzibit, Doom, Heavy D, Big Boi, Cee-Lo, Krayzie, Bizzy, and Kool Moe Dee could be the 14 added to make it 64.

Bizzy and Krayzie? I mean really? Esecially Krayzie.

Fuck it, top 100 but I need help with these match up's and maybe create some sort of bracket.

A top 100 would not work for a bracket

Why not Bizzy and Krayzie? Bone Thugs have sold almost 40 million worldwide, and you have DMX, Pun, Ras Kass and Jeru up there who have not accomplished anywhere near what those two have.

KRob86 wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

i think Mos Def should be on there, i think Raekwon should be on there, Tech N9ne, Bizzy Bone, Krayzie Bone, Sean Price, Inspectah Deck, Killah Priest, Mac Mall, AZ, Cormega, Jadakiss, KOOL MOTHERFUCKING KEITH should have been a shoe in, Q-Tip, Ludacris, Grand Puba, Sadat X, Lil Fame or Billy Danze, Royca Da 5 9, O.C., AG, Lord Finesse (another shoe in), Big L, Tame One, Xzibit, MF DOOM, Aceyalone, Wise Intelligent, Brotha Lynch Hung, King Tee, Ice-T, Just Ice, B-REAL, Yukmouth, Paris, Kam, Andre Nickatina, MC Ren, TI, Juicy J, Z-Ro, Big Boi, Cee Lo, Vakill, Esham, Brother Ali, Twista, MC Breed, Jeru the Damaja


^^^might as well do 100, all of those have credentials and would win a matchup or so

I feel you slang and you mention some contenders. But I did ask for you to be objective. Out of that entire list only Q-Tip, KP, Mos Def, and Cee Lo are truly contenders. The rest have never truly been considewred GOATS. I did not want to turn this into the name every fucking rapper contest. Only the heavyweights. And I already mentioned Ice T and Jeru.

cmon how can you say KP qualifies but B-Real doesnt?? Raekwon doesnt?? yet you listed K-Rino who like 100 people have HEARD OF??? not saying he shouldnt be there b/c he should but your being really biased here too, Rae has gona platinum, Rino has gone Aluminum, B-Real, King Tee, DOOm have all outsold some of the people on your list and have garnered far more attention than guys like KP and Rino

also Kool Keith is a legend and has one of the best discogs of all time, and where is Finesse?? at one pt Finesse was considered to be near Rakim's level

and i agree Krayzie and Bizzy need to be here, and where Tech N9ne??? dude has shattered records for most independent records sold

dang if we are gonna do this i have to unignore kev.


u keep my name out yo mouth and ill do likewise, deal?

So here's the other 50?

51. Mega
52. Bro Ali
53. Kool Keith
54. AZ
55. Q-Tip
56. Bizzy
57. Krayzie
58. Cee Lo
59. Big Boi
60. Xzibit
61. Big L
62. Queen Latifah
63. MF Doom
64. Mos Def
65. Luda
66. T.I.
67. Killah Priest
68. Rebel Ins
69. Heavy D
70. C-Bo
71. Phonte
72. Pos
73. Puba
74. Kool Moe Dee
75. Finesse
76. OC
77. Royce
78. B-Real
79. Z-Ro
80. The Game
81. Keith Murray
82. Mc Serch
83. 50 Cent
84. King Tee
85. Ren
86. Bro Lynch
87. Twista
88. Yukmouth
89. Paris
90. Trugoy
91. Posdnuos
92. Esham
93. Wise Intellingent
94. Aceyalone
95. Buckshot
96. R.A. Rugged Man
97. Mc Eiht
98. Devin The Dude
99. Jadakiss
100.Mystikal

Well, if this is a greatest rapper thread this should be based on pure skill not accomplishments or accolades. If someone is a pure spitter that is raw they should be recognized. I have to agree someone like raekwon has no business in the convo... ghostface - yes - gza - yes - rae? no. ODB would get more consideration.

Phonte, Keith Murray, The Game, Bro Ali?

If we are going to do 100, just use our top 100 list. Make additions for groups based off that I think would be best IMO.

Slang Editorial wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

i think Mos Def should be on there, i think Raekwon should be on there, Tech N9ne, Bizzy Bone, Krayzie Bone, Sean Price, Inspectah Deck, Killah Priest, Mac Mall, AZ, Cormega, Jadakiss, KOOL MOTHERFUCKING KEITH should have been a shoe in, Q-Tip, Ludacris, Grand Puba, Sadat X, Lil Fame or Billy Danze, Royca Da 5 9, O.C., AG, Lord Finesse (another shoe in), Big L, Tame One, Xzibit, MF DOOM, Aceyalone, Wise Intelligent, Brotha Lynch Hung, King Tee, Ice-T, Just Ice, B-REAL, Yukmouth, Paris, Kam, Andre Nickatina, MC Ren, TI, Juicy J, Z-Ro, Big Boi, Cee Lo, Vakill, Esham, Brother Ali, Twista, MC Breed, Jeru the Damaja


^^^might as well do 100, all of those have credentials and would win a matchup or so

I feel you slang and you mention some contenders. But I did ask for you to be objective. Out of that entire list only Q-Tip, KP, Mos Def, and Cee Lo are truly contenders. The rest have never truly been considewred GOATS. I did not want to turn this into the name every fucking rapper contest. Only the heavyweights. And I already mentioned Ice T and Jeru.

cmon how can you say KP qualifies but B-Real doesnt?? Raekwon doesnt?? yet you listed K-Rino who like 100 people have HEARD OF??? not saying he shouldnt be there b/c he should but your being really biased here too, Rae has gona platinum, Rino has gone Aluminum, B-Real, King Tee, DOOm have all outsold some of the people on your list and have garnered far more attention than guys like KP and Rino

also Kool Keith is a legend and has one of the best discogs of all time, and where is Finesse?? at one pt Finesse was considered to be near Rakim's level

LOL...sales do not come into play on this. And I have never seen half these dudes on anybody's top 10 GOAT list. I know there are plenty of dope rappers but come man.

Steve Knight wrote:

If we are going to do 100, just use our top 100 list. Make additions for groups based off that I think would be best IMO.

That sounds like a good idea
match ups need to be random though... seeding would make it worthless IMO

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Phonte, Keith Murray, The Game, Bro Ali?

Well I figured since SLang was bringing up every rapper that ever rapped why not?...lol. I think Bro Ali, Photne and Game truly belongs though.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Steve Knight wrote:

If we are going to do 100, just use our top 100 list. Make additions for groups based off that I think would be best IMO.

That sounds like a good idea
match ups need to be random though... seeding would make it worthless IMO

Thats what I was thinking.

You either need to add or subtract a few nominees. A bracket with 100 will not work.

how the hell is Raekwon not going to be included, he is one of the most skilled MCs in terms of wordplay AND storytelling, and IS (and this is actually a fact) one of the only MCs to effortlessly go from first to third person narrative on the same track....yall are some straight haters

Raekwon DESTROYS Killah Priest, Phonte, Keith Murray, Posdonus, ODB, The Game and many many more you guys are throwing around

There's a reason dude is featured on everyones tracks

right now, in 2010, Raekwon is a better storyteller than Ghostface, period.

this is some straight ludicrous shit lol



how the hell are you going to say the "all i do is name drop and talk about being a blood" Game is better than Raekwon???? the fuck????


Game will tel you himself he's not fucking with Rae

Kp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>€€€ Rae u biased golden spoon

lmao @ Raekwon

I don't usually agree with KJ, but damn Slang, that sounds like some real stan fanboy shit right there.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

I don't usually agree with KJ, but damn Slang, that sounds like some real stan fanboy shit right there.

nothing i said about Rae's ability wasnt fact, he DOES have great wordplay, and his use of 1st and 3rd person together IS something he does, and he IS one of the only ones that does that

the other stuff i said about him being better than those other guys is my opinion, but IMO its not even close, any "objective list" usually rates Raekwon anywhere from 30-50 and for him to not be here is absolutely ridiculous to me

T. Myers wrote:

You either need to add or subtract a few nominees. A bracket with 100 will not work.

Why a top 100 won't work? And subtracting people will not be a problem. But what should be the cut off?

100 to 50 to 25

that's why

I don't consider Rae top 5 in the wu tang - so he is not top 50 - maybe top 100.. but nah.

How about just do 2?

Kool Keith and Soulja Boy

ive almost never not seen Rae on an published top 50 list...just saying, even so, top 100 would be a shoe-in

So take it back to top 50?

SIXTY FOUR, 64, 32+32, LXIV

Shaun wrote:

SIXTY FOUR, 64, 32+32, LXIV

Lol...I thought you were joking. So 64 is mathematical better.

Yeah 64 makes more sense math wise. It also has a nice ring to it.

50, 100, 64...no matter what you choose, Del belongs on that list. The fact that he wasn't mentioned out of 100+ is just a crime.

Grand Moff Myestro wrote:

50, 100, 64...no matter what you choose, Del belongs on that list. The fact that he wasn't mentioned out of 100+ is just a crime.

#38

Dumbass

T. Myers wrote:

Grand Moff Myestro wrote:

50, 100, 64...no matter what you choose, Del belongs on that list. The fact that he wasn't mentioned out of 100+ is just a crime.

#38

Totally missed it. My bad. I think the lack of Homosapien, or not simply calling him Del threw me off. Then again, it is almost bedtime and I'm tired.

That's deep and thought-provoking, but not deep. Haha!

Shaun wrote:

Dumbass

E.A.D. hooker.

Edit: And another thing. When you get to be my age, your eyesight will go bad too.

Edit again: ESPECIALLY if you masturbate even half of a half of a half of a half as much as I do.

I'm excited for this thread. Hopefully it works out.

Speaking of Half...haha!