Interesting idea...

You guys wanna do this? This is a list of most of the major Independent heavyweights/underground superstars of the past 3 years. Please see the voting criteria below. I made a bracket up, are you guys interested? If so I'll do each bracket a day, but if not let me know and I won't.




North
1. Ghostface Killah
2. Kool Keith
3. Phonte
4. Gift of Gab
5. Evidence
6. Planet Asia
7. Insight
8. Blueprint
9. The Grouch
10. Skyzoo
11. Torae
12. Mr Lif
13. Jean Grae
14. Illogic
15. Immortal Technique
16. Vakill

Ghostface vs. Vakill
Kool Keith vs. Immortal Technique
Phonte vs. Illogic
Gift of Gab vs. Jean Grae
Evidence vs. Mr Lif
Planet Asia vs. Torae
Insight vs. Skyzoo
Blueprint vs. The Grouch

Overall Quality/Consistency/Impact of their Body of work over past 3 years: 50 pts
Total Career Work: 10 pts
Lyricism: 20 pts
Creativity/Originality: 10 pts
Consistency over 3 years: 10 pts

TIE BREAKERS/Tough Decisions: Use the year 2005.

Round 1/Group1- Best Indie MC of the Last Few Years Tourny

East

1. Slug
2. Murs
3. Devin the Dude
4. Pharoahe Monch
5. POS
6. Raw Poetic
7. Sage Francis
8. Supastition
9. Masta Ace
10. Joell Ortiz
11. Deacon
12. Oh No
13. Reef the Lost Cauze
14. Eligh
15. Z-Ro
16. Elzhi

Slug vs. Diverse
Murs vs. Substantial
Devin the Dude vs. Eligh
Pharoahe Monch vs. Reef the Lost Cauze
POS vs. Oh NO
Raw Poetic vs. Deacon
Sage Francis vs. Joell Ortiz
Supastition vs. Masta Ace

Overall Quality/Consistency/Impact of their Body of work over past 3 years: 50 pts
Total Career Work: 10 pts
Lyricism: 20 pts
Creativity/Originality: 10 pts
Consistency over 3 years: 10 pts

TIE BREAKERS/Tough Decisions: Use the year 2005.

South

1. Royce 59
2. Sean Price
3. Zumbi (Zion I)
4. GZA
5. Joe Budden
6. Apathy
7. C-Rayz Walz
8. Aesop Rock
9. Vordul Mega
10. Crooked I
11. Guilty Simpson
12. Buff1
13. Ill Bill
14. Pep Love
15. Akrobatik
16. Esham

Royce 59 vs. Pack FM
Sean Price vs. Akrobatik
Zumbi (Zion I) vs. Pep Love
GZA vs. Ill Bill
Joe Budden vs. Buff1
Apathy vs. Guilty Simpson
C-Rayz Walz vs. Crooked I
Aesop Rock vs. Vordul Mega

Overall Quality/Consistency/Impact of their Body of work over past 3 years: 50 pts
Total Career Work: 10 pts
Lyricism: 20 pts
Creativity/Originality: 10 pts
Consistency over 3 years: 10 pts

TIE BREAKERS/Tough Decisions: Use the year 2005.

West

1. Blu
2. Black Milk
3. One Be Lo
4. MF Doom
5. Tech N9ne
6. Louis Logic
7. AZ
8. Brother Ali
9. J-Live
10. MF Grimm
11. Reks
12. Cool Calm Pete
13. Rhymefest
14. EL-P
15. Killer Mike
16. Braille

Blu vs. Braille
Black Milk vs. John Robinson
One Be Lo vs. EL P
Mf Doom vs. Rhymefest
Tech N9ne vs. Cool Calm Pete
Louis Logic vs. Reks
AZ vs. MF Grimm
Brother Ali vs. J-Live

Overall Quality/Consistency/Impact of their Body of work over past 3 years: 50 pts
Total Career Work: 10 pts
Lyricism: 20 pts
Creativity/Originality: 10 pts
Consistency over 3 years: 10 pts

TIE BREAKERS/Tough Decisions: Use the year 2005.

Seems like a good idea. Ghostface is on Def Jam though, he's mainstream.

I spose...anyway I can find a way to start a fight with KJ is fine by me. Gotta love voting threads

I'm down.

sounds good to me

Good idea Steve.

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

I spose...anyway I can find a way to start a fight with KJ is fine by me. Gotta love voting threads

You're a jackass, but yeah I'm down to do this as well.

KJ if it weren't so easy to get you so pissed, I wouldn't do it. But you're just sensitive It's okay, a lot of girls like that in a guy.

yea I'm down, lets find out who the best indie rapper out there is!

LOL, Royce is a 1 seed! But yes, I like the idea

WHERE THE HELL IS ESHAM!?!?

He sucks.

But anways, Immortal Tech is too low of a seed.
Who the fuck is Diverse?
And some of these matchups are going to be hard as fuck

The people have spoken, I will start some time tomorrow.

Diverse? 1 Am? Are you still asleep my dude? SERIOUSLY?

Diverse is an odd inclusion, since he hasn't dropped an album since 2003. Perhaps he and Ghostface should be replaced. It's up to Steve though.

Elzhi & Aceyalone would be worthy replacements.

okay, but if i take out GFK, then i gotta re-do the whole thing if i put in say an elzhi, have to re-do all the seeds and brackets. i can replace diverse with aceyalone and pack FM with esham to make everyone happy

Obviously, it's up to you what you do with the brackets, I only mentioned it because Ghost isn't an independent/underground rapper at all, and that's what this is supposed to be about. Granted, some of these other guys have released albums on majors, but mostly have worked with independent labels, so it makes sense to include them, but Ghost has been exclusively a major label rapper his whole career.

Props for getting Raw Poetic in there.

In terms of the west, Thes One and Double K (PUTS) are also possibilities. Overall, the list looks good.

yeah, oversight on my part, but i dont think GFK is popular enough around here to severely mess up the underground feel.

I suspect Ghost is more popular here than you think, he's in the top 10 in the top 100 list we've been voting on.

Yo momma, shon.

Where's

Haystak
Z-Ro
Killer Mike
Cormega

the fact that Blu is a 1 seed is ridiculous

other than that i like it

what has cormega released in the last 3 years kev? no point with haystak, hes not going to lose no matter what seed i put him at. i will put in z-ro and killer mike, i am removing substantial, diverse, pack fm, and john robinson. i am removing aceyalone and putting elzhi in ahead of him. he will have a low seed, all these guys will, but its too much work re-doing all the seeding.