100 Greatest List (update) 4

There are only 4 slots left in the top 100 and 15 slots in the top 50. What has happened is we have incorrectly voted a lot of peopl e in the top 100 and Neither that should have been top 50. This should prove a point to some that even with public voting from a non pop forum certain people being excluded or mis voted have now thrown off the polls. We all know there are not 15 more rappers not nominated yet that are truly top 50.

After we fill this Top 100 spot we are stuck at a standstill but I think we should revote for certain "Neithers" and "Top 100" that should have been in in the top 50 or top 100.

Top 50
1 Rakim
2 LL Cool J
3 Outkast
4.Kool G Rap
5.KRS-One/BDP
6.Run DMC
7.Ice Cube
8.NWA
9.Public Enemy
10.2Pac
11. Big Daddy Kane
12. Scarface
13. Nas
14. A Tribe Called Quest
15. Jay-Z
16. Notorious BIG
17. Geto Boys
18. Wu Tang Clan
19. Pete Rock and CL Smooth
20. Enimem
21. Common
22. UGK
23. GZA
24. Redman
25. Gang Starr
26. EPMD
27. De La Soul
28. Masta Ace
29. The Roots
30. Ghostface
31. DJ Quik
32. Pharoahe Monche/Organized Konfusion
33. Cypress Hill
34. Bone Thugs
35. Talib Kweli

Top 100
51. Ice-T
52. MC Lyte
53. Snoop Dogg
54. Slick Rick
55. Heavy D
56. Mobb Deep
57. Busta Rhymes
58. Naughty By Nature
59. Ludacris
60. Spice 1
61. Dmx
62. DJ Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince
63. Lord Finesse
64. Beastie Boys
65. Paris
66. Buckshot/Black Moon
67. 8Ball & MJG
68. Brand Nubian
69. Kool Keith
70. AZ
71. E-40
72. MF Doom
73. Xzibit
74. Kurupt/Dogg Pound
75. Canibus
76. Das EFX
77. Del Tha Funkee Homosapien
78. K-Rino
79. Onyx/Sticky Fingaz
80. Big Pun
81. Cee-Lo/Goodie Mob
82. Poor Righteous Teachers/Wise Intelligent
83. Killah Priest
84. Alkaholiks
85. Royce Da 5’9
86. T.I.
87. Method Man
88. Mos Def
89. M.O.P.
90. Jeru Da Damaja
91. Kool Moe Dee
92. O.C.
93. The Beatnuts
94. Immortal Technique
95. Boot Camp Click
96. Doug E Fresh

Nominated
Stestasonic
Too Short
Grandmaster Flash & Furious Five
Salt N Pepa
King Tee
2 Live Crew
3-6 Mafia
Jadakiss
Just Ice
Mystikal
Tech N9ne
Big L
Murs
Mantronix
Ras Kass
Master P/TRU
Heltah Skeltah
Cormega
House Of Pain/Everlast
Biz Markie
WC & The Maad Circle
Mac Dre
Esham
Chino XL
Cash Money Millionaries
Above The Law
Queen Latifah
The Fugees
Keith Murray
Kanye West
El-P/Company Flow
Dayton Family
Souls Of Mischeif
dead prez
Arrested Development
Outlawz
Slum Village
Lil Wayne
Fat Joe
Fat Boys
Twista

We could just go by the list I've been making with the point system, since it's more precise anyway. So, we don't really need to revote.

I haven't seen your list in awhile so I thought you were slacking or something. Can we get a update?

Not slacking, I have all the numbers worked out except for the last couple days of voting

In order:

The Roots 1.9
Ice Cube 1.89
Gang Starr 1.82
2Pac 1.79
KRS-One/BDP 1.78
Wu-Tang Clan 1.78
De La Soul 1.71
Ghostface Killah 1.71
Kool G Rap 1.58
Common 1.57
Masta Ace 1.56
A Tribe Called Quest 1.53
Big Daddy Kane 1.53
Cypress Hill 1.52
Redman 1.52
Eminem 1.5
Outkast 1.5
Run-DMC 1.5
Scarface 1.47
Rakim 1.45
EPMD 1.44
NWA 1.44
Nas 1.42
Pharoahe Monch/Organized Konfusion 1.41
Public Enemy 1.4
DJ Quik 1.39
LL Cool J 1.38
Talib Kweli 1.32
Notorious BIG 1.31
Method Man 1.3
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony 1.29
Brand Nubian 1.26
Geto Boys 1.24
UGK 1.21
Del tha Funkee Homosapien 1.17
Jay-Z 1.15
Mobb Deep 1.12
Cee-Lo/Goodie Mob 1.11
Slick Rick 1.11
Lord Finesse 1.06
Naughty By Nature/Treach 1
Pete Rock & CL Smooth 1
Jeru the Damaja 0.94
GZA 0.91
Beastie Boys 0.82
Big Pun 0.82
Ice T 0.81
DMX 0.8
Killah Priest 0.76
Mos Def 0.75
Kool Keith 0.72
Tha Alkaholiks 0.71
Eightball & MJG 0.7
Busta Rhymes 0.68
Buckshot/Black Moon 0.64
MF Doom 0.59
Kool Moe Dee 0.58
Onyx/Stick Fingaz 0.57
M.O.P. 0.56
The Beatnuts 0.55
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince/Will Smith 0.53
Too Short 0.52
Paris 0.5
Poor Righteous Teachers/Wise Intelligent 0.5
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five 0.47
Xzibit 0.47
Snoop Dogg 0.45
AZ 0.43
E-40 0.43
Tech N9ne 0.41
T.I. 0.4
Kurupt/Dogg Pound 0.38
Ludacris 0.37
Mac Dre 0.36
Cormega 0.33
Immortal Technique 0.33
Spice 1 0.32
K-Rino 0.3
MC Lyte 0.29
O.C. 0.25
WC & The Maad Circle 0.25
Das EFX 0.24
The Fugees 0.23
Canibus 0.2
El-P/Company Flow 0.2
Heavy D 0.19
Cash Money Millionaires 0.16
Big L 0.14
Mystikal 0.14
Salt N Pepa 0.11
Royce Da 5'9 0.1
Above the Law 0.07
Arrested Devlopment/Speech 0.07

Those are only artists with a positive final value. 93 right now. Those not included had a negative final value, and so clearly people don't want them included in the top 100.

I'd like to see a nomination for The Coup. I bet they'd easily make it.

And as KJ was saying yesterday....Whodini.

we need to stop suggesting top 100 rappers, our top 100 is pretty much full. we need some top 50 talent.

Steve wrote:

we need to stop suggesting top 100 rappers, our top 100 is pretty much full. we need some top 50 talent.

I think we've already exhausted the consensus top 50 artists. Unless you have some suggestions.

The Coup is top 50

The Coup, maybe, I don't know with the way the votes have been going. We definitely don't have 15 top 50 artists waiting to be voted on. The way the voting was done was sort of flawed in that regard, but that's what the point system corrects for, since it's not just going on which category had the highest point total. All we have to do is keep going with the polls, until it is clear that we have exhausted any top 100 candidate, which would probably still be quicker than going back and revoting on top 100 artists.

Well, either way, The Coup should be nominated for such an excellent and critically acclaimed body of work. I agree. We've exhausted "consensus" top 50 artists.

Ahh..Jason how many slots are availble with your system then? I need to know how many more I need to nominate. And can you seperate who's top 50 and top 100 with that point system?

KRob86 wrote:

Ahh..Jason how many slots are availble with your system then? I need to know how many more I need to nominate. And can you seperate who's top 50 and top 100 with that point system?

I would assume to keep nominating until you run out of artists. then the top 100 scores would get in. I don't think it would hurt for some people to get bumped if necesarry.

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T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Ahh..Jason how many slots are availble with your system then? I need to know how many more I need to nominate. And can you seperate who's top 50 and top 100 with that point system?

I would assume to keep nominating until you run out of artists. then the top 100 scores would get in. I don't think it would hurt for some people to get bumped if necesarry.

Yeah, keep nominating until it's clear we've run out of artists who are possibly top 100.

As far as separating who's top 50, and who's top 100, it does more than that, it ranks them all. I put the list in order by final value, so the Roots are our #1 artist. #50 right now is Mos Def. So, him and everyone above are top 50.

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Ahh..Jason how many slots are availble with your system then? I need to know how many more I need to nominate. And can you seperate who's top 50 and top 100 with that point system?

I would assume to keep nominating until you run out of artists. then the top 100 scores would get in. I don't think it would hurt for some people to get bumped if necesarry.

Yeah, keep nominating until it's clear we've run out of artists who are possibly top 100.

As far as separating who's top 50, and who's top 100, it does more than that, it ranks them all. I put the list in order by final value, so the Roots are our #1 artist. #50 right now is Mos Def. So, him and everyone above are top 50.

Oh hell yeah! Your system makes everything correct, glad you kept pushing for it. Ice T, NBN top 50 and others who should have made the list made it. Gangsta!

Some suggestions for artist we haven't covered yet:

Large Pro/Main Source
k-os
Atmosphere
Blackalicious/Gift of Gab
Jurassic 5
Aesop Rock
Little Brother
Ed O.G. & Da Bulldogs

PUTS should also be nominated. 8 albums over 4 stars if you include Om Years and American Men Volume 1.

Cise Starr wrote:

PUTS should also be nominated. 8 albums over 4 stars if you include Om Years and American Men Volume 1.

Agreed Cise, I think they could make the top 100.

Dwight wrote:

Cise Starr wrote:

PUTS should also be nominated. 8 albums over 4 stars if you include Om Years and American Men Volume 1.

Agreed Cise, I think they could make the top 100.

I was shooting for top 50.

How many groups can boast that many good albums besides the Roots, Wu (as a whole), and Public Enemy? Not to mention Thes One has two 5 star instrumental albums of his own. So that makes 10 amazing albums.

Personally they're in my top 50 too, but I was speaking about making top 100 with the forum. I know a few people dig them on here so maybe they'll get the spot.

Dwight wrote:

Personally they're in my top 50 too, but I was speaking about making top 100 with the forum. I know a few people dig them on here so maybe they'll get the spot.

Yeah they will probably get top 100 around here.

Cise Starr wrote:

Dwight wrote:

Cise Starr wrote:

PUTS should also be nominated. 8 albums over 4 stars if you include Om Years and American Men Volume 1.

Agreed Cise, I think they could make the top 100.

I was shooting for top 50.

How many groups can boast that many good albums besides the Roots, Wu (as a whole), and Public Enemy? Not to mention Thes One has two 5 star instrumental albums of his own. So that makes 10 amazing albums.

Personally, PUTS is top 100 IMO. They have a very solid career, but I wouldn't say any of their albums are groundbreaking like Roots, Wu or PE. I can't say I feel one is a classic...closest to it is Fun DMC IMO, but they are easily top 100 to me nowadays.

Alan wrote:

Personally, PUTS is top 100 IMO. They have a very solid career, but I wouldn't say any of their albums are groundbreaking like Roots, Wu or PE. I can't say I feel one is a classic...closest to it is Fun DMC IMO, but they are easily top 100 to me nowadays.

What they have been is consistent. You can't say the same for most groups.

O.S.T. is their only classic but they have several that are just a tier (or two) below classic level.

They might not be as groundbreaking as either of those groups but in terms of the amount of solid albums they have produced they are in the conversation. By the way have you heard all their albums?

Cise Starr wrote:

Alan wrote:

Personally, PUTS is top 100 IMO. They have a very solid career, but I wouldn't say any of their albums are groundbreaking like Roots, Wu or PE. I can't say I feel one is a classic...closest to it is Fun DMC IMO, but they are easily top 100 to me nowadays.

What they have been is consistent. You can't say the same for most groups.

O.S.T. is their only classic but they have several that are just a tier (or two) below classic level.

They might not be as groundbreaking as either of those groups but in terms of the amount of solid albums they have produced they are in the conversation. By the way have you heard all their albums?

I agree. Everything they release is quality. OST is about 4 stars to me...maybe 4.5. Fun DMC is nearly 5 stars with me. I feel Thes One upped his production game on there, which is why I feel it's better. Their rhyming is always solid.

I own:

The Next Step
Question In The Form Of An Answer
OST
Fun DMC

I plan to buy Stepfather after I get paid this weekend. None fall below 4 stars IMO.

Alan wrote:

I agree. Everything they release is quality. OST is about 4 stars to me...maybe 4.5. Fun DMC is nearly 5 stars with me. I feel Thes One upped his production game on there, which is why I feel it's better. Their rhyming is always solid.

I own:

The Next Step
Question In The Form Of An Answer
OST
Fun DMC

I plan to buy Stepfather after I get paid this weekend. None fall below 4 stars IMO.

I like Fun DMC a lot as well.

Stepfather is ridiculously good as well. A few dud tracks but mostly top shelf stuff.

You might not like American Men volume 1 but you should give the Om Years a listen if you get a chance.

Cise Starr wrote:

Alan wrote:

I agree. Everything they release is quality. OST is about 4 stars to me...maybe 4.5. Fun DMC is nearly 5 stars with me. I feel Thes One upped his production game on there, which is why I feel it's better. Their rhyming is always solid.

I own:

The Next Step
Question In The Form Of An Answer
OST
Fun DMC

I plan to buy Stepfather after I get paid this weekend. None fall below 4 stars IMO.

I like Fun DMC a lot as well.

Stepfather is ridiculously good as well. A few dud tracks but mostly top shelf stuff.

You might not like American Men volume 1 but you should give the Om Years a listen if you get a chance.

I guess Stepfather is that last official full-length I don't have (right?). I'll see what I think after I get that. Om Years and Or Stay Tuned may get bought up.

Alan wrote:

I guess Stepfather is that last official full-length I don't have (right?). I'll see what I think after I get that. Om Years and Or Stay Tuned may get bought up.

Yeah Stepfather is the last you don't have.

Om Years is a greatest hits/unreleased compilation.

Or Stay Tuned was quite good. Too bad it was such a short album.

Cise Starr wrote:

Alan wrote:

I guess Stepfather is that last official full-length I don't have (right?). I'll see what I think after I get that. Om Years and Or Stay Tuned may get bought up.

Yeah Stepfather is the last you don't have.

Om Years is a greatest hits/unreleased compilation.

Or Stay Tuned was quite good. Too bad it was such a short album.

Fug it. I just bought "Stepfather". I was waiting to make sure I got a pay check this week. But if I don't get it (been worrying about it), it will be a nice last gift I buy for myself for a while. lol