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PostSubject: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Thu 15 Dec 2011, 11:43 pm

I have been thinking about rappers/grps that at some point in time I thought were going to either be high on my fav list and/or bigger in the rap game. But they never or so far have lived up to the high standards they may have once set. I'm interesting in seeing some of you guys picks. Of course I already have plenty in mind.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Thu 15 Dec 2011, 11:58 pm

That's easy...Blu. Below The Heavens is one of my favorite albums ever, but CRAC and Johnon&Jonson sucked. And everything else has been average or below average. The only other thing I liked was HerFavoriteColour and I don't even think it was 20 minutes long...
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 12:02 am

Most of these artist I was buying anything they put out most of the time blindly. Even after a few mis-steps and delays I stayed loyal to a lot of these artist. Now I will not buy anything from them blindly and some not at all.

Mr. Mike
Beanie Sigel
Cormega
Dead Prez
Dogg Pound
Haystak
Outlawz
Fiend
Point Blank
E-40
Do or Die
Mack 10

Those are some that I was really into at some point. I still have hope for Mega, Dead Prez, and Point Blank.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 12:29 am

Beanie's "The Solution" wasn't good to me at all. I didn't hear any Fiend after the 2 No Limit joints. Did Born & Raised turn you off of Mega or was it before that, Kev?
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:18 am

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Beanie's "The Solution" wasn't good to me at all. I didn't hear any Fiend after the 2 No Limit joints. Did Born & Raised turn you off of Mega or was it before that, Kev?

Born & Rasied was the one. But even before that he dropped two unofficial projects that were not all that prior. Those Legal Hustle and Who Am I? projects. He kinda did what Dead Prez did and dropped that one 1st great album and nothing has compared since. I like True Meaning that was a good follow up. Testament was good but was his old unreleased album. Born & Raised was very lack luster especially in the beat department. And rhyme wise on most songs he seemed to be just winging it. I do like maybe 3-4 trks on it but thats it.

Dead Prez gave me some hope with the mixtape/album they dropped last year with Green Lantern. But none of their albums have even came semi near to that 1st one.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:20 am

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That's easy...Blu. Below The Heavens is one of my favorite albums ever, but CRAC and Johnon&Jonson sucked. And everything else has been average or below average. The only other thing I liked was HerFavoriteColour and I don't even think it was 20 minutes long...

Blu is a helluva pick. I was in buy whatever from him mode after hearing BTH but he never dropped an official album after that. I kept hearing mixed reviews about the J&J & CRAC album and avoided those. He is on some other shit now that I do not want to hear from him. Good pick.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:30 am

I like J&J better than BTH. I couldn't not say it...

I would put Nine in this category. His first two albums are personal classics (Cloud 9 is quite official I think) but his later shit just doesn't work at all.

Murs also. After EOTB and 3:16 I had pretty huge expectations. I can honestly say that Felt 3 and Grand Caravan Re the only other albums I can listen to from him.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:40 am

David Banner.... love the guy no homo pause rewind and forward.... but when he dropped certified and greatest story ever told he dropped from my blind buy list and has still not recovered... his new song swag is the shit but then he dropped yao ming with lil wayne and 2 chainz and that song is his usual garbage hot and messy
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:42 am

Mobb Deep
Keith Murray

I guess just about every act that used to be the shit. Isn't that the trend in hip-hop anyway?
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:47 am

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Mobb Deep
Keith Murray

I guess just about every act that used to be the shit. Isn't that the trend in hip-hop anyway?

yeeeeepppp....

but I think it's a given with most anyone who was big in the 1990s... they just aren't making the same music....
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 1:43 pm

I gotta add 8Ball solo wise to my list. I thought he could make my top 20 at one point. Nope.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 2:03 pm

Mobb Deep??? C'Mon Son! GTFOHWTBS!

They may have fell off, but in their prime they were easily an elite group.

As for my picks....

Canibus- His story is pretty well documented. But now he goes out and disses J. Cole after Cole gave him props and called him one of his favorites. That was idiotic on his part because a Cole fan might have been like "Lemme check Canibus out" but now he fucked that up. SMH!

Jadakiss- I love the guy, but he hasn't lived up to his "Top 5 Dead Or Alive" moniker. He still has a shot but the window is closing.

Mic Geronimo- I thought after Masta I.C. and Wherever You Are that he might have had a chance to blow up, but he never did.

Xzibit- He made a bigger name for himself pimpin rides than he did in his rap career. I like his first 3 albums and I thought after Restless he was on the verge of becoming one of rap's elite but he fell off.

Papoose- Never dropped a solo album and pretty much fell off the map after Remy Ma's incarceration. It's a shame, he really had potential to blow up.

Field Mob- As DTP imploded, so did their relevance.

BG- Has far more talent than Lil Wayne (and probably Juve too) but never really broke through the glass ceiling.



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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 2:06 pm

Mos Def.

He would have been a top motherfucking 5 emcee for me but since he released "The New Danger" and "True Magic"...

I hope he sounds better on the new Black Star album if they actually release it.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 2:10 pm

Real good examples/picks KJ & Xcel. If Mos Def was more consistant I would him the same high regard I hold Talib.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 4:38 pm

That's exactly my point, KJ.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 4:47 pm

Young Buck-I love Buck but i really thought he was destined to be bigger than he is.

Ray Cash-COD was dope and then nothing really.

Chamillionaire-he had all the talent, opportunity, and momentum, and then he was an afterthought.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

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That's exactly my point, KJ.

I thought the point of this was to talk about people who never reached their full potential. Mobb Deep did reach theirs, they just didn't stay on top.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 5:45 pm

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That's exactly my point, KJ.

I thought the point of this was to talk about people who never reached their full potential. Mobb Deep did reach theirs, they just didn't stay on top.

I think his point is if they would have reached their full potential they would have stayed on top but they didn't.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 6:01 pm

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That's exactly my point, KJ.

I thought the point of this was to talk about people who never reached their full potential. Mobb Deep did reach theirs, they just didn't stay on top.

I think his point is if they would have reached their full potential they would have stayed on top but they didn't.

I understand that, but that wasn't really the point of this thread.

To expand on that though, I believe that they dropped the ball when they released Blood Money and signed with G-Unit. Now that they're off of that now they have an opportunity to bounce back. I doubt they'll ever release anything on par with Infamous or Hell On Earth but if they can release another 4+ star album, it could help them return to relevancy and prominence.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 7:32 pm

Jay-Z
Kanye West
Nas
Common
BG
Juvenile
Fat Joe
Snoop
Game
Ice Cube
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Method Man
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:47 pm

I cosign with Beanie Sigel, Canibus, Keith Murray, and Xzibit. You know, at one time I did think Memphis Bleek was going to be a huge deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Fri 16 Dec 2011, 11:59 pm

Mobb Deep has put out more garbage than quality. Period.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 12:05 am

parker lewis wrote:
Mobb Deep has put out more garbage than quality. Period.

Naw, gotta disagree with this one Parker. The Infamous, Hell On Earth, Murda Muzik, and the underrated Amerikaz Nightmare, with a very slight nod to Infamy, this is more quality than garbage right here.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 1:37 am

Canibus is a perfect example.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 3:05 am

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Jay-Z
Kanye West
Nas
Common
BG
Juvenile
Fat Joe
Snoop
Game
Ice Cube
TI
Method Man
Ghostface

This is a bullshit list right here!

The majority of the guys you listed not only lived up to expectations, but EXCEEDED them.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 3:06 am

Wayne wrote:
parker lewis wrote:
Mobb Deep has put out more garbage than quality. Period.

Naw, gotta disagree with this one Parker. The Infamous, Hell On Earth, Murda Muzik, and the underrated Amerikaz Nightmare, with a very slight nod to Infamy, this is more quality than garbage right here.

Wayne is correct
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 11:14 am

Uh, yeah. Jay-Z definitely lived up to expectations on Watch The Throne and Bp3. All the artists I named have dropped some really wack shit and therefore have not lived up to the expectations I personally set for them. I am consistent with my ratings my dude and my reasons are my own, so think what you want but at least I'm not in here saying an album I just gave a 4 to is by a "boring but talented" artist.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 12:21 pm

parker lewis wrote:
Mobb Deep has put out more garbage than quality. Period.

you must have them confused with Slaine or something...cause you sound completely crazy right there.....

they have a pretty strong overall discography IN MY OPINION


Juvenile Hell-average
The Infamous-Classic
Hell On Earth-Classic
Murda Muzik-Classic
Infamy-above average
Amerikaz Nightmare-above average
Blood Money-WACK
The Safe Is Cracked-above average
Free Agents:The Mixtape-above average

haven't heard Black Cocaine yet and I know they have another self titled effort on the way soon as well......but that overall disocgraphy is strong IN MY OPINION....I know that it blows Slaine's through the water.....he has nothing in his career as strong as The Infamous or Hell On Earth IN MY OPINION
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 2:49 pm

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Uh, yeah. Jay-Z definitely lived up to expectations on Watch The Throne and Bp3. All the artists I named have dropped some really wack shit and therefore have not lived up to the expectations I personally set for them. I am consistent with my ratings my dude and my reasons are my own, so think what you want but at least I'm not in here saying an album I just gave a 4 to is by a "boring but talented" artist.

So none of the artists you like have ever dropped anything wack? That's a damn lie for sure Cornfed.

Just chalk it up to saying you're not feeling those artists (which is unrelated to this topic) and leave it at that. But Jay-Z, Kayne, Nas, Common, Game, Ice Cube, TI, and Ghostface have EASILY dropped more quality than garbage.

And as I explained to you before. I wrote that about Yelawolf PRIOR to hearing Radioactive. Before that I thought he was boring.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 5:00 pm

I would say that Kanye's progression has gotten away from what I liked about his first two albums.

You guys are pretty tolerant of Mobb's albums. Infamous and Hell on Earth are the only ones I care to listen to.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sat 17 Dec 2011, 5:27 pm

I think Murda Musik is great (albeit not classic) and Infamy is average. Otherwise I agree with Powell's Mobb Deep ratings.
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sun 18 Dec 2011, 4:05 pm

Jadakiss is pretty much the poster boy for this particular thread because he's actually trying (Drake & Wayne collabo? smh)...

Blu...eh... Below The Heavens is gonna be the album he's measured by for the rest of his life. Even if he got back with Exile, that would fall short in the eyes of fans too. Dude simply can't win. J&J was doo-doo...CRAC capitalized off of his buzz, but it was ultimately forgettable. Replay value is something that lacks in the new era of rap music...
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sun 18 Dec 2011, 9:27 pm

i agree Jadakiss is the end all be all of this thread, lol, the alpha and omega
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sun 18 Dec 2011, 10:03 pm

I agreee with Jada also even though I never viewed him in a fav sense. But Styles P on the otehr hand I was own his bandwagon for a minute. Add him also.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Sun 18 Dec 2011, 11:13 pm

The only reason I would say that P doesn't qualify is because, despite quality releases, he lacks mass appeal. Jada was clearly the standout of the group (peep his old freestyles...crazy in their day) and people were expecting him to go for self and blow the fuck up. While he achieved some moderate success, he never really hit that next level. I think the red tape that Puffy made him and his group cut through is part of the reason as well...
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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Mon 19 Dec 2011, 4:02 pm

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The only reason I would say that P doesn't qualify is because, despite quality releases, he lacks mass appeal. Jada was clearly the standout of the group (peep his old freestyles...crazy in their day) and people were expecting him to go for self and blow the fuck up. While he achieved some moderate success, he never really hit that next level. I think the red tape that Puffy made him and his group cut through is part of the reason as well...

I hear that. But the point of this thread was not only about rappers who had mass appeal potential. Its about any rapper you were really following or feeling that may not have met your personal expectations music quality or career wise.

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PostSubject: Re: Uh, Well!..............Never Mind.   Mon 19 Dec 2011, 6:04 pm

KJ I know this is impossible for you to understand, but Nas and Jay-Z have been dropping wack shit for a minute, whereas the artists I continue to check for may have fallen off at times, but redeem themselves.
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