Best Album Of 2004 Pre List

Updated:

One Monkey
4th Dimensional Rocketships
D12 World
College Dropout
Chilltown New York
The Grind Date
In Thugz We Trust
Tha Carter
Amerikaz Nightmare
New Testament
To The 5 Boroughs
RBG
E & A
Life of Joseph W Mcvey
Long Hot Summer
Soul Machine
RULE
Beautiful Struggle
Madvillainy
Legal Hustle
Straight Outta Cashville
Hit List
No Said Date
MM..Food
Kamikaze
Pretty Toney Album
Purple Haze
Street's Disciple
Connected
Red Light
Tipping Point
Urban Legend
Portrait Of A Whiteboy
Death Is Certain
Blue Scholars
Starchild
The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory
Murs 3:16
The New Prescription
Coup de Theatre
Ronald Dregan
Kiss of Death
Alpha & Omega
Legacy of Blood
Diesel Truckers
Blue Scholars
Theophany
Vengeance Is Mine
Champion
Neighborhood Watch
Penny For Your Thoughts
Soul Survivor II
Fear No Evil
Mirror Music
Waterworld
DC2
Overcast!
To Tha X-Treme
This Week
Joyful Rebellion
Encore
Die, Rugged Man, Die
The Art Of Dying
What's Wrong With Bill?

Other albums to consider:

Cryptic One - The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory (needs to be on list but won't get many votes)
Dizzee Rascal - Showtime (I like it but nobody else does)
Blue Scholars - Blue Scholars (you know Tran wants this in the discussion)
Ill Bill - What's Wrong With Bill? (needs to be on the list IMO)
K-Rino - Fear No Evil (should get some votes, it's quite nice)
Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood (should get votes)
Murs & 9th Wonder - 3:16 (you know this will get votes)
R.A. The Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die (will get votes for sure)
Royce da 5'9" - Death Is Certain (will get votes)
Jadakiss - Kiss of Death (kiss stans on here will vote)


EDIT: SOME MORE THAT COULD WORK

Devin The Dude - To Tha X-Treme
Illogic - Celestial Clockwork
Saul Williams - Saul Williams
k-os - Joyful Rebellion
Insight - The Blast Radius
Leak Bros - Waterworld
O.C. - Starchild
Oh No - The Disrupt
Pete Rock - Soul Survivor II
Busdriver - Cosmic Cleavage
Haiku D'Etat - Coup de Theatre
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
N*E*R*D - Fly or Die
Oktober - Projekt: Building
Necro - The Pre-Fix For Death
7L & Esoteric - DC2
Dilated Peoples - Neighborhood Watch
Sabac - Sabacolypse
Kool Keith - Diesel Truckers
Q-Unique - Vengeance Is Mine
Outerspace - Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Outerspace



not sayin I'd vote for all these albums just more to choose from

JMT, Ill Bill, R.A., Q-Unique are some of the best in 04, I'd say. Jadakiss, Leak Bros & Murs are all excellent, too

Half wrote:

Other albums to consider:

Cryptic One - The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory (needs to be on list but won't get many votes)
Dizzee Rascal - Showtime (I like it but nobody else does)
Blue Scholars - Blue Scholars (you know Tran wants this in the discussion)
Ill Bill - What's Wrong With Bill? (needs to be on the list IMO)
K-Rino - Fear No Evil (should get some votes, it's quite nice)
Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood (should get votes)
Murs & 9th Wonder - 3:16 (you know this will get votes)
R.A. The Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die (will get votes for sure)
Royce da 5'9" - Death Is Certain (will get votes)
Jadakiss - Kiss of Death (kiss stans on here will vote)


EDIT: SOME MORE THAT COULD WORK

Devin The Dude - To Tha X-Treme
Illogic - Celestial Clockwork
Saul Williams - Saul Williams
k-os - Joyful Rebellion
Insight - The Blast Radius
Leak Bros - Waterworld
O.C. - Starchild
Oh No - The Disrupt
Pete Rock - Soul Survivor II
Busdriver - Cosmic Cleavage
Haiku D'Etat - Coup de Theatre
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
N*E*R*D - Fly or Die
Oktober - Projekt: Building
Necro - The Pre-Fix For Death
7L & Esoteric - DC2
Dilated Peoples - Neighborhood Watch
Sabac - Sabacolypse
Kool Keith - Diesel Truckers
Q-Unique - Vengeance Is Mine
Outerspace - Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Outerspace



not sayin I'd vote for all these albums just more to choose from

definite co-sign to the bold, and might as well throw in Encore. I mean, Nastradamus was in the '99 tourney.

College Dropout and The Tipping Point look like winners from the list so far. I would throw in Madvllainy as well although I prefer MM...Food. Two of my personal favs that prob won't get far are Purple Haze (Cam's best IMO) and Kiss of Death (Kiss' best IMO). This is a good year from the list so far. I prob won't need to vote default very much at all.

Also...
Atmosphere - Overcast!

Yeah but I think Kevin's getting a little tired of this shit. I'd say take what we can get out of him at this point. (re: lundquist)

I'm good with whatever honestly. Though Rugged Man's inclusion is a must imo.

parker lewis wrote:

Yeah but I think Kevin's getting a little tired of this shit. I'd say take what we can get out of him at this point. (re: lundquist)

Ding ding!....But na its not that i'm necessarily tired of it. Just seems not many participate anymore. So why waste my time with all these albums that will not make it far anyway?

But I see with this year 64 is a must. I cosign a lot listed so far. And like Wand I won't be default voting much this year.

I co-sign:
Royce
JMT
Ill Bill
Jadakiss
K-Os
Devin

Cosign a good portion of Half's list(s)

Dude, Kev, eliminate half the list you posted because it's at least half trash and post this ish. I would literally take John Cena's My Time Is Now (which dropped this year) over 95% of that. Make it easier on ya:


Cryptic One - The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory
Blue Scholars - Blue Scholars
Ill Bill - What's Wrong With Bill?
K-Rino - Fear No Evil
Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood
R.A. The Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die
Royce da 5'9" - Death Is Certain
Illogic - Celestial Clockwork
Leak Bros - Waterworld
Haiku D'Etat - Coup de Theatre
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
Necro - The Pre-Fix For Death
7L & Esoteric - DC2
Dilated Peoples - Neighborhood Watch
Sabac - Sabacolypse
Kool Keith - Diesel Truckers
Q-Unique - Vengeance Is Mine
Outerspace - Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Outerspace

Specifically, Ill Bill, Sabac, Leak Bros, Illogic, Royce, & Cryptic One, which I all have at 5 stars.

And for the millionth time, if you actually seeded albums then people would vote more, instead you make it easy for us to assume you let your bias dictate which albums go against which. Oh and if half the forum heard more than 5 hip hop albums post 2000 more people would vote.

Here's some stuff nobody else would vote for, probably:

Masta Ace-Long Hot Summer
Hip Hop Forever 2 (Jazzy Jeff)
Wordsworth-Mirror Music
Jean Grae-This Week (maybe Trotter?)
Heiruspecs-A Tiger Dancing
Hangar 18-Multi-Platinum Debut Album
Megalon-A Penny For Your Thoughts (Trotter will fucking kill you in your sleep if you don't include this)
Brother Ali-Champion (How has this not been mentioned yet???)
Pastor Troy-By Any Means Necessary
MC Breed-The New Prescription
Project Deadman
Bizzy Bone: Alpha & Omega
Haystak: Portrait Of A Whiteboy (Terry, SRP)
Vordul Mega: Revolution of Yung Haviks (another classic IMO)
Goretex: The Art Of Dying (this would get votes)
Blockhead: Music By Cavelight (so dope, should get votes but no one listens to instrumentals)
El-P: Collecting The Kid
J-Zone: Job Ain't Nuthin But Work
Louis Logic & J Love-Odd Couple
Lil Wyte: Phinally Phamous


I think that's all I got...

N3R0N0N wrote:

Dude, Kev, eliminate half the list you posted because it's at least half trash and post this ish. I would literally take John Cena's My Time Is Now (which dropped this year) over 95% of that. Make it easier on ya:


Cryptic One - The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory
Blue Scholars - Blue Scholars
Ill Bill - What's Wrong With Bill?
K-Rino - Fear No Evil
Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood
R.A. The Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die
Royce da 5'9" - Death Is Certain
Illogic - Celestial Clockwork
Leak Bros - Waterworld
Haiku D'Etat - Coup de Theatre
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
Necro - The Pre-Fix For Death
7L & Esoteric - DC2
Dilated Peoples - Neighborhood Watch
Sabac - Sabacolypse
Kool Keith - Diesel Truckers
Q-Unique - Vengeance Is Mine
Outerspace - Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Outerspace

Specifically, Ill Bill, Sabac, Leak Bros, Illogic, Royce, & Cryptic One, which I all have at 5 stars.

And for the millionth time, if you actually seeded albums then people would vote more, instead you make it easy for us to assume you let your bias dictate which albums go against which. Oh and if half the forum heard more than 5 hip hop albums post 2000 more people would vote.

Here's some stuff nobody else would vote for, probably:

Masta Ace-Long Hot Summer
Hip Hop Forever 2 (Jazzy Jeff)
Wordsworth-Mirror Music
Jean Grae-This Week (maybe Trotter?)
Heiruspecs-A Tiger Dancing
Hangar 18-Multi-Platinum Debut Album
Megalon-A Penny For Your Thoughts (Trotter will fucking kill you in your sleep if you don't include this)
Brother Ali-Champion (How has this not been mentioned yet???)
Pastor Troy-By Any Means Necessary
MC Breed-The New Prescription
Project Deadman
Bizzy Bone: Alpha & Omega
Haystak: Portrait Of A Whiteboy (Terry, SRP)
Vordul Mega: Revolution of Yung Haviks (another classic IMO)
Goretex: The Art Of Dying (this would get votes)
Blockhead: Music By Cavelight (so dope, should get votes but no one listens to instrumentals)
El-P: Collecting The Kid
J-Zone: Job Ain't Nuthin But Work
Louis Logic & J Love-Odd Couple
Lil Wyte: Phinally Phamous


I think that's all I got...

Sure more filler. But I cosign these i highlighted.

Well Long Hot Summer was on Kev's initial list, and of course people will vote for that. From Jeff's extras I co-sign Blockhead, Bro Ali, Goretex, and Megalon. Not saying the rest of his are bad picks I just haven't heard them personally.

I'd throw a vote out for Mirror Music and Megalon, too

I also co-sign Lund's suggestion to put Encore in. It's Eminem.

Fuck yeah it was, my bad Kev.

I forgot all about Megalon & Rodan.

Didn't Rodan drop the year after?

Nah, 04 pretty sure

parker lewis wrote:

Nah, 04 pretty sure

You are correct sir.

http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/rodan_f1/theophany___the_book_of_elevations/

I Co-Sign all of the ones in bold:

Half wrote:

Other albums to consider:

Cryptic One - The Anti-Mobius Strip Theory (needs to be on list but won't get many votes)
Dizzee Rascal - Showtime (I like it but nobody else does)
Blue Scholars - Blue Scholars (you know Tran wants this in the discussion)
Ill Bill - What's Wrong With Bill? (needs to be on the list IMO)
K-Rino - Fear No Evil (should get some votes, it's quite nice)
Jedi Mind Tricks - Legacy of Blood (should get votes)
Murs & 9th Wonder - 3:16 (you know this will get votes)
R.A. The Rugged Man - Die, Rugged Man, Die (will get votes for sure)
Royce da 5'9" - Death Is Certain (will get votes)
Jadakiss - Kiss of Death (kiss stans on here will vote)


EDIT: SOME MORE THAT COULD WORK

Devin The Dude - To Tha X-Treme
Illogic - Celestial Clockwork
Saul Williams - Saul Williams
k-os - Joyful Rebellion
Insight - The Blast Radius
Leak Bros - Waterworld
O.C. - Starchild
Oh No - The Disrupt
Pete Rock - Soul Survivor II
Busdriver - Cosmic Cleavage
Haiku D'Etat - Coup de Theatre
Handsome Boy Modeling School - White People
N*E*R*D - Fly or Die
Oktober - Projekt: Building
Necro - The Pre-Fix For Death
7L & Esoteric - DC2
Dilated Peoples - Neighborhood Watch
Sabac - Sabacolypse
Kool Keith - Diesel Truckers
Q-Unique - Vengeance Is Mine
Outerspace - Jedi Mind Tricks Presents Outerspace



not sayin I'd vote for all these albums just more to choose from

also:

Mac Dre - Ronald Dregan: Dreganomics
Mac Dre - Genie of the Lamp
Megalon
Rodan
Viktor Vaughn - Venomous Villain

List updated w/ 64 albums. I just hope mofo's are around to actually vote. If not I will cut this thing down to 32 during the 1st round.

I don't think we need 64 - people are nominating some really fringe stuff.

SteveT wrote:

I don't think we need 64 - people are nominating some really fringe stuff.

I agree. But it is what it is. Like I said I have no problem narrowing this down to a tight 32.

2004 was a suck asshole kinda year in hip-hop music history......I know all of the "hey man post 2000 hip-hop was the best" dick suckers are going to be pissed off at that comment but hey who cares my opinion is my damn opinion....oh and on the ones I haven't heard as long as I have heard one of the listed albums then I will be voting BY DEFAULT in big bold capital letters....those who don't like it can close their eyes when they see my vote......lol

Again, listen to these albums and then you can talk.

Also, Kev, hilarious how you malign Steve when he's gone then take the first opportunity to agree with him when he's back.

N3R0N0N wrote:

Again, listen to these albums and then you can talk.

Also, Kev, hilarious how you malign Steve when he's gone then take the first opportunity to agree with him when he's back.

I am talking....read what I wrote and COMPREHEND....I said as long as I've heard at least one of the albums listed then I am probably going to vote BY DEFAULT.....I say probably because I won't vote at all if it's an album I absolutely hate...otherwise watch my DEFAULT vote...whether you like it or not jeffrey.....because I know damn well that you haven't heard every hip-hop album released in 2004 either lil man!


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"I'm not beholden to your rules, piss off jeffrey."

REMEMBER THAT??

I'll be here to cast my ballot Kev, your work will not be in vain.

Powell, your argument is "Sure, I judge a ton of shit without hearing it, but you haven't heard everything?"

N3R0N0N wrote:

Powell, your argument is "Sure, I judge a ton of shit without hearing it, but you haven't heard everything?"

you're not comprehending at all which either means you're stupid or in denial?? I think it's a combination of both...let's try caps for the slow one...


DURING ALL OF THESE VOTES WHENEVER I HAVE VOTED BY DEFAULT THEN WHAT THAT MEANS FOR ME IS THAT I HAVE ONLY HEARD ONE OF THE ALBUMS LISTED NOT BOTH...THE ONE ALBUM THAT I HAVE HEARD I EITHER DON'T HATE IT OR I LIKE IT ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR IT BY DEFAULT....IF IT IS AN ALBUM THAT I HATE THEN I WILL NOT VOTE AT ALL, OR IF I HAVEN'T HEARD EITHER ONE OF THE ALBUMS THEN I WON'T VOTE OR WRITE ANYTHING IN THAT PARTICULAR THREAD AT ALL, IF YOU CHECK BACK YOU WILL SEE THAT I HAVE NOT VOTED NOR WRITTEN SOMETHING ON EVERYONE OF THEM (THE THREADS) WHICH HAD EITHER ONE OF THE FOLLOWING THINGS IN THEM THAT I JUST MENTIONED, BUT I WILL VOTE BY DEFAULT IF IT FOLLOWS MY VOTING CRITERIA I JUST LAID OUT....UMMM JEFFREY THIS IS MY VOTING RULES...YOU HAVE YOUR OWN....I WILL NOT BE LISTENING TO WHAT METHODS YOU USE TO VOTE WITH...BUT YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO CONTINUE VOTING WITH WHATEVER STYLE, USE OR METHOD YOU CHOOSE AND I SHALL DO THE SAMETHING....I ALSO STATED THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT HAVE ALSO NOT HEARD EVERY RAP/HIP-HOP PROJECT EVER RELEASED!

Do U get it now lil jeff?? if not then

Have an excellent day mayne!

Powell, you're going to give yourself a heart attack. Calm down before you crap your depends. I'm saying, your point is that "I can vote by default because you haven't heard everything ever so you can't talk about what I haven't heard".

My point is this: MOST of your votes are by default. Therefore, why vote? You're skewing shit, Powell. Just like a johnny come lately liar telling me what's "fringe". You know every Psycho+Logical release has sold more than Black Market Militia, Steve-O?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I made no reference to which specific albums were fringe. Yes, BMM is fringe.

I am glad to see Jeff and Powell still going at it though.

Jeff, we have had our own debate on this default topic so no need to rehash...

But one thing still bugs me. I don't think it would be very fair or useful if, let's say, you are the only person voting on a particular matchup because you are the only person who has heard both albums. The fact that you are the only person that, by your definition, is qualified to vote, means that an otherwise unknown album will beat out an album that everyone else loves. Popularity does not equal quality but there is something to be said for the fact that some albums have been heard by all of us. Clearly those albums had some sort of significance to us all, not just a minor few.

In my opinion, it is kind of pointless to include some of these lesser known (to the forum) albums because it only creates the scenario by which people are enticed to vote default. If the matchups were between more widely heard albums then there would be little or no need for default votes. Between us all, there are still plenty of albums to include that the majority have heard.

And yes, there are some albums that are not as popular out there that blow away some of these better known ones but the fact still remains that they are unknown to the voters. It would be fucking sweet if we could all spin each album that is up for debate before voting but thats not realistic.

In my opinion, I think we should just start a new thread where people discuss albums that are lesser known that we think should get more attention. That way, people aren't just voting and ignoring the other album but instead might be intrigued to actually listen to it.

N3R0N0N wrote:

Powell, you're going to give yourself a heart attack. Calm down before you crap your depends. I'm saying, your point is that "I can vote by default because you haven't heard everything ever so you can't talk about what I haven't heard".

My point is this: MOST of your votes are by default. Therefore, why vote? You're skewing shit, Powell. Just like a johnny come lately liar telling me what's "fringe". You know every Psycho+Logical release has sold more than Black Market Militia, Steve-O?

so now I shouldn't even vote at all huh??

that's like me asking you why do you even live in IOWA? like what's the purpose?

in other words lil jeff...myself and anyone else who has voted BY DEFAULT will continue to be voting that way whether jeffrey likes it or not...that is my point....no one really cares if you admire that system or not..in the grand scheme of things it really does not matter mr. panties in a bunch...you have got to be the most uptight "dude" on planet earth....even the voting on a hip-hop forum where you know absolutely no one gets you pissed off...lol....you're a joke mayne!