Top 10 Greatest (East) #24

Big L

Neither for me

One of my all time favorites, just outside the top 10 maybe around 20. He was a solid MC just didn't have the time to showcase it. If he'd put out a few more cd's, quality cd's, then I'd say top 10 easily.

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Neither for me. Very dope artist, though.

Uh, Terry...how long did you have to bang on the keys in order to finish that?

Terry's laughing, but Big L is better than Pharoahe Monch who he voted into the Top 10.

If Big L were from any coast but the East, I'd vote for him, but the East is too stacked.

Kopasetick wrote:

Neither for me. Very dope artist, though.

Uh, Terry...how long did you have to bang on the keys in order to finish that?

type it like "haha" like 10 times then copy and paste....

smh, Terry don't hate!

But wouldn't that take even longer?

Or maybe my computer skills suck. lol

Kopasetick wrote:

But wouldn't that take even longer?

Or maybe my computer skills suck. lol

control + v = paste... you can throw in like 1000 "haha"s in 10 seconds.

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That felt good. I needed a laugh.

Esco wrote:

control + v = paste... you can throw in like 1000 "haha"s in 10 seconds.

Duh. How the hell did I miss that...?

Excuse the brain fart. lol

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

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That felt good. I needed a laugh.

shouldn't this have been posted in the thread you voted Haystak otp 5?

I don't really think Haystak is top 5, I just like throwing off ignorant ass votes. I've heard both Big L albums in their entiriety, who can say they've listened to a full Stak album and hated it?

Also, I'm not dissing on Big L, I'm just dissing on the bullshit bias that's only ok when CERTAIN people do it.

only 1 person voted top 10 for Big L, theres bias on both sides

Slang, I have no clue what that was supposed to mean.

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

I've heard both Big L albums in their entiriety, who can say they've listened to a full Stak album and hated it?

I can. I have...on more than one occasion...

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

Also, I'm not dissing on Big L, I'm just dissing on the bullshit bias that's only ok when CERTAIN people do it.

Have you checked the votes for Big L, Jeff? LOL

KJ Styles wrote:

Terry's laughing, but Big L is better than Pharoahe Monch who he voted into the Top 10.

If Big L were from any coast but the East, I'd vote for him, but the East is too stacked.

Big L is not not better than Pharoahe Monch. End of story. It's not even close to me. the fact that Big L was nominated is hysterical to me. He has no business on anyones top 10. He has half the skill and none of the impact that Biggie had, and Biggie didn't make the cut. anyone disagree?

No I'm just saying no one is like "it must be orca lover appreciation day" because Big L got nominated.

Slang Editorial wrote:

only 1 person voted top 10 for Big L, theres bias on both sides

Slang, look at my top 10, and tell me how voting neither for Big L is biased. Seriously, who should come off my list? Big L probably wouldn't even make my top 20, but don't quote me on that.

T. Myers wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

only 1 person voted top 10 for Big L, theres bias on both sides

Slang, look at my top 10, and tell me how voting neither for Big L is biased. Seriously, who should come off my list? Big L probably wouldn't even make my top 20, but don't quote me on that.

thats not what i was saying. Jeff was saying cuz Haystak got nominated everyones laughing and saying neither, and oh "it must be jeff and terry appreciation day"....thats the bias i thought he was talking about.

But if you look here, everyones voting against Big L as well, people are "laughing out loud", etc.

i just meant both threads are getting the same reactions so i dont really see the bias

that's because you're still new here, lol. but I see your point.

Slang Editorial wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

only 1 person voted top 10 for Big L, theres bias on both sides

Slang, look at my top 10, and tell me how voting neither for Big L is biased. Seriously, who should come off my list? Big L probably wouldn't even make my top 20, but don't quote me on that.

thats not what i was saying. Jeff was saying cuz Haystak got nominated everyones laughing and saying neither, and oh "it must be jeff and terry appreciation day"....thats the bias i thought he was talking about.

But if you look here, everyones voting against Big L as well, people are "laughing out loud", etc.

i just meant both threads are getting the same reactions so i dont really see the bias

Oh, my mistake Slang. I guess i was just reading it wrong. Stak really doesn't deserve a nomination either.

I like Pharoahe Monch, but I think Big L was a doper lyricist line for line. Jay Z was going to sign him to Roc-A-Fella before he died. Had that happened, he would have blown up easily. Jay-Z, 2Pac, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G Rap all have praised Big L's skills.

I agree that Big L isn't Top 10 in the East, but how can anyone laugh at his nomination when he was more relevant than Haystak and Seagram combined.

If L were from any other coast, he'd be Top 10 for me easily. But the East is the toughest division in hip-hop.

Kopasetick wrote:

Neither for me. Very dope artist, though.

Uh, Terry...how long did you have to bang on the keys in order to finish that?

I think the appropriate response would have been something along the lines of- not as long as I banged on your [insert familial relationship].

KJ Styles wrote:

I like Pharoahe Monch, but I think Big L was a doper lyricist line for line. Jay Z was going to sign him to Roc-A-Fella before he died. Had that happened, he would have blown up easily. Jay-Z, 2Pac, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G Rap all have praised Big L's skills.

I agree that Big L isn't Top 10 in the East, but how can anyone laugh at his nomination when he was more relevant than Haystak and Seagram combined.

If L were from any other coast, he'd be Top 10 for me easily. But the East is the toughest division in hip-hop.

If it's your contention that Big L has doper punchlines than Monch, i have no arguments, but Monch bodies him in every other category IMO. His nomination is laugable cause he's in the same boat as Biggie as far as quantity, and his skill and impact(since some people play that card) don't even come close to Biggie's. If Biggie didn't get in in the tough east and he's infinitely better than Big L, that makes his nomination laughable. Plain and simple!

T. Myers wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

I like Pharoahe Monch, but I think Big L was a doper lyricist line for line. Jay Z was going to sign him to Roc-A-Fella before he died. Had that happened, he would have blown up easily. Jay-Z, 2Pac, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G Rap all have praised Big L's skills.

I agree that Big L isn't Top 10 in the East, but how can anyone laugh at his nomination when he was more relevant than Haystak and Seagram combined.

If L were from any other coast, he'd be Top 10 for me easily. But the East is the toughest division in hip-hop.

If it's your contention that Big L has doper punchlines than Monch, i have no arguments, but Monch bodies him in every other category IMO. His nomination is laugable cause he's in the same boat as Biggie as far as quantity, and his skill and impact(since some people play that card) don't even come close to Biggie's. If Biggie didn't get in in the tough east and he's infinitely better than Big L, that makes his nomination laughable. Plain and simple!

Well I'm sure you didn't even chuckle at Stak's nomination.

KJ Styles wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

I like Pharoahe Monch, but I think Big L was a doper lyricist line for line. Jay Z was going to sign him to Roc-A-Fella before he died. Had that happened, he would have blown up easily. Jay-Z, 2Pac, Big Daddy Kane, and Kool G Rap all have praised Big L's skills.

I agree that Big L isn't Top 10 in the East, but how can anyone laugh at his nomination when he was more relevant than Haystak and Seagram combined.

If L were from any other coast, he'd be Top 10 for me easily. But the East is the toughest division in hip-hop.

If it's your contention that Big L has doper punchlines than Monch, i have no arguments, but Monch bodies him in every other category IMO. His nomination is laugable cause he's in the same boat as Biggie as far as quantity, and his skill and impact(since some people play that card) don't even come close to Biggie's. If Biggie didn't get in in the tough east and he's infinitely better than Big L, that makes his nomination laughable. Plain and simple!

Well I'm sure you didn't even chuckle at Stak's nomination.

Why must you ignore every point i make? you just choose to be contentious. Stak has the credentials to be nominated and the South is a little weaker than the east. With that said, Stak probably has no chance at getting in. Since we are breaking down groups too, Stak probably would not make my top 10-15. I'm not gonna shy away from enjoying his music, but anyone who makes the attempt to know me would know that he's probably my 4th favorite Nashville artist.

I wasn't ignoring your point. I was just saying that Big L was dope and the fact that he was killed before he hit his prime is the reason why he didn't make a huge impact.

While he's not Top 10, I don't laugh at his nomination because he was a razor sharp lyricist and the best MC from Diggin In The Crates IMO.

KJ Styles wrote:

I wasn't ignoring your point. I was just saying that Big L was dope and the fact that he was killed before he hit his prime is the reason why he didn't make a huge impact.

While he's not Top 10, I don't laugh at his nomination because he was a razor sharp lyricist and the best MC from Diggin In The Crates IMO.

You're ignoring my point entirely though. You completely ignored my point about why Monch was better. You simply replied with a shot at Stak. You ignored the point i was making about why Big L's nomination is laughable too. Just answer the following questions, and you'll see where i'm coming from. Was Big L in the same position as Biggie as far as albums? Is Biggie infintely more talented and important? Was Biggie voted in? Hence, Big L doesn't deserve a nomination.

Biggie SHOULD HAVE been voted in easily, but that's another subject.

All I'm saying is that if Big L didn't deserve a nomination, then neither did Haystak or Seagram or Krizz. Big L is far more relevant than all 3 of them put together.

As far as your point about Monch being better. All you said was that he blows L away in every catagory except punchlines, which I disagree with. I think they're about equal lyrically to be honest. The only thing Monch really has over him is a more extensive catalog when you include Organized Konfusion. I dig Big L's albums slightly more than Monch's solo albums though.

KJ Styles wrote:

Biggie SHOULD HAVE been voted in easily, but that's another subject.

All I'm saying is that if Big L didn't deserve a nomination, then neither did Haystak or Seagram or Krizz. Big L is far more relevant than all 3 of them put together.

As far as your point about Monch being better. All you said was that he blows L away in every catagory except punchlines, which I disagree with. I think they're about equal lyrically to be honest. The only thing Monch really has over him is a more extensive catalog when you include Organized Konfusion. I dig Big L's albums slightly more than Monch's solo albums though.

Obviously Biggie SHOULD NOT HAVE been voted in because he was actually not voted in. Untill you can make a case(that does not revolve around personal preference) against all of the artists who have gotten in ahead of Biggie, your argument has no leg to stand on. All you have proven is that an east coast dude holds Biggie in high regard while the rest of the world doesn't think as much of him as you do, and you're still missing the point. The fact is that Biggie WAS NOT voted in, and he's more qualified than Big L. What makes you or anyone else think Big L had a snowball's chance in hell?

Also, Seagram, Krizz Kaliko, and Stak were nominated in other regions where the precedent(i.e. Biggies nomination) was not already set.

Whatever Terry, I just know that Biggie's albums (even though there weren't many of them) were as good or better than the artists that did get in, and he made a bigger impact than most of them. This forum is the ONLY FUCKIN PLACE where Biggie is not Top 10. Every other GOAT list I've seen has him in the Top 5 or better. Not just in the East, but OVERALL!!

And for the 1,000 time, I NEVER SAID THAT BIG L WAS TOP 10 IN THE EAST!!! I voted against him because of lack of impact. But skill wise, dude ain't nothin to laugh at. Point blank, period. CASE CLOSED!

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

KJ Styles wrote:

Whatever Terry, I just know that Biggie's albums (even though there weren't many of them) were as good or better than the artists that did get in, and he made a bigger impact than most of them. This forum is the ONLY FUCKIN PLACE where Biggie is not Top 10. Every other GOAT list I've seen has him in the Top 5 or better. Not just in the East, but OVERALL!!

And for the 1,000 time, I NEVER SAID THAT BIG L WAS TOP 10 IN THE EAST!!! I voted against him because of lack of impact. But skill wise, dude ain't nothin to laugh at. Point blank, period. CASE CLOSED!

it's your opinion that Biggie's are better. it's not fact. do you want to know hy it's not a fact? It's not a fact becuase i disagree. The lists you are looking at are biased. On here with just fans from across the globe, you are seeing a different picture and you don't like it.

Also, it does not matter if you voted neither. Your vote was never questioned. It was the nomination that was laughable. Is Big L more deserving than Biggie? Answer the question or keep quiet.

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

KJ why do you have a hard time admitting that this is your opinion? None of it is fact. Quit pushing it off as fact. I can guarantee you that you can't make a case against Will Smith. Fuck what anyone thinks cause no one can make a case against Will Smith. It's all personal preference, but Will Smith has the credentials to be there

@ fool john, dude just doesn't get it.

T. Myers wrote:

KJ why do you have a hard time admitting that this is your opinion? None of it is fact. Quit pushing it off as fact. I can guarantee you that you can't make a case against Will Smith. Fuck what anyone thinks cause no one can make a case against Will Smith. It's all personal preference, but Will Smith has the credentials to be there

I'd vote Will in...

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

T. Myers wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Whatever Terry, I just know that Biggie's albums (even though there weren't many of them) were as good or better than the artists that did get in, and he made a bigger impact than most of them. This forum is the ONLY FUCKIN PLACE where Biggie is not Top 10. Every other GOAT list I've seen has him in the Top 5 or better. Not just in the East, but OVERALL!!

And for the 1,000 time, I NEVER SAID THAT BIG L WAS TOP 10 IN THE EAST!!! I voted against him because of lack of impact. But skill wise, dude ain't nothin to laugh at. Point blank, period. CASE CLOSED!

it's your opinion that Biggie's are better. it's not fact. do you want to know hy it's not a fact? It's not a fact becuase i disagree. The lists you are looking at are biased. On here with just fans from across the globe, you are seeing a different picture and you don't like it.

Also, it does not matter if you voted neither. Your vote was never questioned. It was the nomination that was laughable. Is Big L more deserving than Biggie? Answer the question or keep quiet.

Don't ask questions that you know DAMN WELL what my response is gonna be.

So the GOAT lists on BET, MTV, The Source, Vibe, Rap Pages, XXL, About.com, etc. are all biased Terry?? ALL of those lists have Biggie among the Top 5 MC's of all time. And guess what??? ALL of those lists were compiled by MORE PEOPLE than the list of THIS FORUM. THOUSANDS of people's opinions were surveyed for those lists, whereas this forum doesn't even have 100 regular posters.

Kopasetick wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KJ why do you have a hard time admitting that this is your opinion? None of it is fact. Quit pushing it off as fact. I can guarantee you that you can't make a case against Will Smith. Fuck what anyone thinks cause no one can make a case against Will Smith. It's all personal preference, but Will Smith has the credentials to be there

I'd vote Will in...

I do dig Will Smith's solo work (I don't love it really). If we include DJJJ&TFP, that's basically solo rapping work anyway. So he would get top 10 for me. But would DJJJ&TFP be a "group"? Would BDP be a "group"? lol...we'll see when the debate unfolds...

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

I know that Big Jess isn't on the East Coast, I was just talking about your GOAT list in general. As for Biggie, the short discog is the only issue anyone can have with him, but I think that's a weak issue because people were calling Cube an all time great after Death Certificate. Same with LL after Bigger and Deffer, KRS after By All Means Necessary, Rakim after Follow The Leader, etc.

KJ Styles wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Whatever Terry, I just know that Biggie's albums (even though there weren't many of them) were as good or better than the artists that did get in, and he made a bigger impact than most of them. This forum is the ONLY FUCKIN PLACE where Biggie is not Top 10. Every other GOAT list I've seen has him in the Top 5 or better. Not just in the East, but OVERALL!!

And for the 1,000 time, I NEVER SAID THAT BIG L WAS TOP 10 IN THE EAST!!! I voted against him because of lack of impact. But skill wise, dude ain't nothin to laugh at. Point blank, period. CASE CLOSED!

it's your opinion that Biggie's are better. it's not fact. do you want to know hy it's not a fact? It's not a fact becuase i disagree. The lists you are looking at are biased. On here with just fans from across the globe, you are seeing a different picture and you don't like it.

Also, it does not matter if you voted neither. Your vote was never questioned. It was the nomination that was laughable. Is Big L more deserving than Biggie? Answer the question or keep quiet.

Don't ask questions that you know DAMN WELL what my response is gonna be.

So the GOAT lists on BET, MTV, The Source, Vibe, Rap Pages, XXL, About.com, etc. are all biased Terry?? ALL of those lists have Biggie among the Top 5 MC's of all time. And guess what??? ALL of those lists were compiled by MORE PEOPLE than the list of THIS FORUM. THOUSANDS of people's opinions were surveyed for those lists, whereas this forum doesn't even have 100 regular posters.

Yes, those lists are biased. any form of media is biased and as an agenda to push. If you're going to take them at their word, you might as well take Fox News at their world too because it's the same thing. On here people just rep what they like, and we have plenty of diverse listeners.

I want you to flat out answer my questions. Did Biggie make the cut? Is Biggie better than Big L? the logic is not that hard to follow.

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

I know that Big Jess isn't on the East Coast, I was just talking about your GOAT list in general. As for Biggie, the short discog is the only issue anyone can have with him, but I think that's a weak issue because people were calling Cube an all time great after Death Certificate. Same with LL after Bigger and Deffer, KRS after By All Means Necessary, Rakim after Follow The Leader, etc.

But those consensus opinions still stand in retrospect.

Cube, LL & KRS (not really Rakim though) all went on to make more classics. And there were plenty of rappers that entered the game in the early 90s. I'd say Biggie is a legend in the game, but not top 10 because there is simply too many pioneers that have done so much more for hip-hop than Biggie.

Only having 2 albums is not a weak reason to discount him as top 10 IMO. In fact, it seems extremely logical.

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

I know that Big Jess isn't on the East Coast, I was just talking about your GOAT list in general. As for Biggie, the short discog is the only issue anyone can have with him, but I think that's a weak issue because people were calling Cube an all time great after Death Certificate. Same with LL after Bigger and Deffer, KRS after By All Means Necessary, Rakim after Follow The Leader, etc.

I don't know where to start with this post. first of all, it's narrow minded to think that Biggie's discography is the only thing working against him. With as stacked as the east is, why is it not fathomable for people to like 10 artists more? second of all, you mentioning LL would make my point cause he's not the consensus pick any more. Why? Becuase he did release some duds.

You cannot compare FOX NEWS to those lists. How the fuck are those lists biased when MC's from ALL COASTS are represented on those GOAT lists.

Fox News is BIASED to the Republican Party. NONE of those magazines/networks/websites etc are biased to the East Coast. If that were the case, then 2Pac (voted number one by BET and Vibe and Top 10 on all of them) and Ice Cube (Top 10 on all as well) wouldn't have gotten the love they did.

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

I know that Big Jess isn't on the East Coast, I was just talking about your GOAT list in general. As for Biggie, the short discog is the only issue anyone can have with him, but I think that's a weak issue because people were calling Cube an all time great after Death Certificate. Same with LL after Bigger and Deffer, KRS after By All Means Necessary, Rakim after Follow The Leader, etc.

Only having 2 albums is not a weak reason to discount him as top 10 IMO. In fact, it seems extremely logical.

I agree 1,000%

KJ Styles wrote:

You cannot compare FOX NEWS to those lists. How the fuck are those lists biased when MC's from ALL COASTS are represented on those GOAT lists.

Fox News is BIASED to the Republican Party. NONE of those magazines/networks/websites etc are biased to the East Coast. If that were the case, then 2Pac (voted number one by BET and Vibe and Top 10 on all of them) and Ice Cube (Top 10 on all as well) wouldn't have gotten the love they did.

If i have to explain why they are biased, it's not worth mentioning.

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Alan wrote:

I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything. ONLY 2 albums in the spot that birthed hip-hop does not add up to top 10 no matter how classic they are IMO.

Pounds you're cool and all, but I've seen your Top 10 list and with the exception of KRS-One, NONE of those guys hold a candle to Biggie. Especially guys like Big Jess and Will Smith.

I just meant objectively. I didn't mean my own personal list. Objectively I don't see how Biggie could be top 10 anything with the very short discog. I'm not saying you or Powell can't personally feel he's top 10 just like I feel Big Jess is top 10. That's cool...I'd rather see a personal list anyway. IMO I just don't see how Biggie makes top 10 objectively with such a stacked east coast roster.

Also, Big Jess is not from the east coast, and Will Smith gets in only as the Fresh Prince (as a "group" I suppose).

I know that Big Jess isn't on the East Coast, I was just talking about your GOAT list in general. As for Biggie, the short discog is the only issue anyone can have with him, but I think that's a weak issue because people were calling Cube an all time great after Death Certificate. Same with LL after Bigger and Deffer, KRS after By All Means Necessary, Rakim after Follow The Leader, etc.

But those consensus opinions still stand in retrospect.

Cube, LL & KRS (not really Rakim though) all went on to make more classics. And there were plenty of rappers that entered the game in the early 90s. I'd say Biggie is a legend in the game, but not top 10 because there is simply too many pioneers that have done so much more for hip-hop than Biggie.

Only having 2 albums is not a weak reason to discount him as top 10 IMO. In fact, it seems extremely logical.

I'd say Let The Rhythm Hit Em by Rakim is a classic, so I disagree with you there.

As for Biggie, you mention more MC's debuted in the 90's. Among them is Jay-Z, whom himself has said that if it weren't for Biggie, he probably wouldn't have blown up as much as he did. I know you're not a Jigga fan, but you cannot discount his impact or legacy despite your personal opinion of him. He's the most successful East Coast artist in history and Biggie was his BIGGEST influence. Biggie also influenced many more artists, and was the reason why Bad Boy Records was so dominant in the mid 90's and beyond.

Who thinks BET, MTV, The Source, Vibe, Rap Pages, XXL, About.com know more about hip-hop than the overall knowledge on this forum? We're the real listeners and believers. Moreover, those media outlets push their own agenda whenever possible. They do shit to make a buck. We make these lists because we are all actually obsessed with hip-hop. We live and breathe it.

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