Top 10 Greatest (East) #28

Mos Def

Nope

Mos Def is neither to me, but the man has 2 universal/undisputed classics under his belt. That's more than some artists that people have voted for.

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

Scarface has no universal classics, nobody does. Shut the fuck up Kev.

KRob86 wrote:

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

It should also be noted that you didn't give PE's It Takes A Nation Of Millions the full 5 stars it deserves either.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hip%20hop/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdThread=TxMA339CXX1Q7R&displayType=tagsDetail

..........................................................................................So that's where we're going as a forum?

I'll say neither for Mos Def. I'll add by saying that I think Black Star is 5 stars, but Black On Both Sides is around a 4.5. True Magic sucked.

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

It should also be noted that you didn't give PE's It Takes A Nation Of Millions the full 5 stars it deserves either.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hip%20hop/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdThread=TxMA339CXX1Q7R&displayType=tagsDetail

Ah so? Its not 5stars to me but I respect it's status unlike that Mos 1st album which isn ot a 5star either pov. Blackstar I have no major prob with either but I know it's not "universal".

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

It should also be noted that you didn't give PE's It Takes A Nation Of Millions the full 5 stars it deserves either.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hip%20hop/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdThread=TxMA339CXX1Q7R&displayType=tagsDetail

Ah so? Its not 5stars to me but I respect it's status unlike that Mos 1st album which isn ot a 5star either pov. Blackstar I have no major prob with either but I know it's not "universal".

Nope both are widely considered classics. Also, quit saying you respect its status. seriously! you just sound like a coward. Just say you think the album is overrated. I mean are you that scared to go against the grain?

BlackStar is in my top 5

Blackstar and Black on Both Sides are easily classics, and Kev is just bein' a bitch, especially for not saying PE has any classics, yet the little ho probably places PE high up on his top groups list to fit in.

Whoa Kev, you don't think PE has any classics??? Kev do you really believe this?? has Willie "damn" Dee released any classics?? any 5 star material??

Also Kev It Takes A Nation Of Millions is not a 5 star to 15 star effort man?? are you serious man??

then what is it?? 1 star? 2 stars? 3 stars? please tell me Kev...yo, I actually hope your really joking with this one here man...lol

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

It should also be noted that you didn't give PE's It Takes A Nation Of Millions the full 5 stars it deserves either.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hip%20hop/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdThread=TxMA339CXX1Q7R&displayType=tagsDetail

Ah so? Its not 5stars to me but I respect it's status unlike that Mos 1st album which isn ot a 5star either pov. Blackstar I have no major prob with either but I know it's not "universal".

Nope both are widely considered classics. Also, quit saying you respect its status. seriously! you just sound like a coward. Just say you think the album is overrated. I mean are you that scared to go against the grain?

Whoa bitch watch that coward shit. And I truly do respect it's classic status what is so hard to get about that. I'm sure where I stand with certain albums are you? It's not a personal classic to me and if I was scared to go against the grain I would just say it's classic for me. But it's not. I also do not feel the PE album is overrated but I so feel that way about the Mos Def album and a tad with Blackstar.

AFutureWithoutAPast wrote:

I'll say neither for Mos Def. I'll add by saying that I think Black Star is 5 stars, but Black On Both Sides is around a 4.5. True Magic sucked.

Cosign. I never thought Black On Both Sides was quite 5 stars.

Neither.

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Those two albums are not that universal I don't think. I dispute.

It should also be noted that you didn't give PE's It Takes A Nation Of Millions the full 5 stars it deserves either.

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hip%20hop/forum/ref=cm_cd_ef_tft_tp?%5Fencoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1PGP1ENM5L0H3&cdThread=TxMA339CXX1Q7R&displayType=tagsDetail

Ah so? Its not 5stars to me but I respect it's status unlike that Mos 1st album which isn ot a 5star either pov. Blackstar I have no major prob with either but I know it's not "universal".

Nope both are widely considered classics. Also, quit saying you respect its status. seriously! you just sound like a coward. Just say you think the album is overrated. I mean are you that scared to go against the grain?

It has nothing to do with being a "coward". Everyone does it.

Personally, I don't feel either of Biggie's albums at 5-stars. But I do respect their classic status in the hip-hop lexicon. (Watch Powell squirm now.)

You're right Pounds, Black on Both Sides is no Good Clean Fun 1 OR 2. Mos tries though, he tries.

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

5-stars to me. One of my first hip-hop albums I ever bought.

But Kev can feel it's not just like you don't feel The Alkaholiks' and Pharcyde debuts at 5 stars when you should. lol

Steve wrote:

You're right Pounds, Black on Both Sides is no Good Clean Fun 1 OR 2. Mos tries though, he tries.

LMAO!!! I'd rate it even with Good Clean Fun 1. lol

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

5-stars to me. One of my first hip-hop albums I ever bought.

But Kev can feel it's not just like you don't feel The Alkaholiks' and Pharcyde debuts at 5 stars when you should. lol

The Alkaholiks and The Pharcyde's efforts can't even look at It Takes A Nation Of Millions and you already know this without me saying it ,that's why you lol'ed for...lol

Kev knows that shit too

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

D.Powell wrote:

Alan wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

5-stars to me. One of my first hip-hop albums I ever bought.

But Kev can feel it's not just like you don't feel The Alkaholiks' and Pharcyde debuts at 5 stars when you should. lol

The Alkaholiks and The Pharcyde's efforts can't even look at It Takes A Nation Of Millions and you already know this without me saying it ,that's why you lol'ed for...lol

Kev knows that shit too

You give those albums 3.5 stars. Which is more off base than Kev giving Nations 4.75 stars.

(I never compared them to PE)

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

Honestly Powell I did not grow up with that whole album so I was late getting it, so real connection was made from the jump. they had classic singles from that album that hold near and dear but not the album as awhole. Plus i'm not the biggest fan of the Bomb Squads production all the time. I'm also not stupid enough to just flat out disagree with someone if they feel it's classic because I truly agree it is an hip hop classic objectively. Most of these dumb fucks on this forum only see shit one one and that's subjectively i'm on that other level.

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

KRob86 wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

Honestly Powell I did not grow up with that whole album so I was late getting it, so real connection was made from the jump. they had classic singles from that album that hold near and dear but not the album as awhole. Plus i'm not the biggest fan of the Bomb Squads production all the time. I'm also not stupid enough to just flat out disagree with someone if they feel it's classic because I truly agree it is an hip hop classic objectively. Most of these dumb fucks on this forum only see shit one one and that's subjectively i'm on that other level.

Exactly. I don't know why Terry made a stink about it.

Fuck that if he's giving it 4.75 stars then he really knows that shit is 5 stars he just wants to be "different" there is nooooo fuckin way you can deny that album's dopeness

Also I saw your little Biggie comments..LOL

I'm not going to even say anything about Big Jess...lol

his name says everything for me...lol, fuckin country saaanngin ass..straight outta the St.Paul projects...

Do you guys think Fear Of A Black Planet is 5 stars also? I do.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Really Terry? I can recognize the appeal that Biggie holds to the masses, but that doesn't mean he connects with me personally. Do you find every consensus classic to be a personal classic as well? Think about that for a second, and hopefully it sinks in.

D.Powell wrote:

Fuck that if he's giving it 4.75 stars then he really knows that shit is 5 stars he just wants to be "different" there is nooooo fuckin way you can deny that album's dopeness

Also I saw your little Biggie comments..LOL

I'm not going to even say anything about Big Jess...lol

his name says everything for me...lol, fuckin country saaanngin ass..straight outta the St.Paul projects...

LOL...nice comeback. NOT!

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Really Terry? I can recognize the appeal that Biggie holds to the masses, but that doesn't mean he connects with me personally. Do you find every consensus classic to be a personal classic as well? Think about that for a second, and hopefully it sinks in.

Nope, if i don't think it's a classic, i say it's not a classic. Plain and simple. I'm not out to respect an album just cause it carries a lot of weight.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Muthafucka you sound crazy right now, where the fuck did I say I feel it's not worthy? Stop trying to make a case for something you have no clue about. I said it's not overrated but yet you keep putting words in my mouth. When have you ever known me to bite my say about how I feel about hip hop?

And Powell that is very disrespectful after I explained in plain form why it's not classic to me for you to say I just want to be different.

KRob86 wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Hey Pounds is It Takes A Nation Of Millions 5 stars to you man?? I'm just asking for the sake of asking?

Hey Kev what is that album lacking man?

Honestly Powell I did not grow up with that whole album so I was late getting it, so real connection was made from the jump. they had classic singles from that album that hold near and dear but not the album as awhole. Plus i'm not the biggest fan of the Bomb Squads production all the time. I'm also not stupid enough to just flat out disagree with someone if they feel it's classic because I truly agree it is an hip hop classic objectively. Most of these dumb fucks on this forum only see shit one one and that's subjectively i'm on that other level.

lol, you on some next level shit, bunny please. the only reason you said mos has no universal classics is to start shit.

and that PE shit is ridiculous, and sad too man. i feel bad for you son, you got 99 problems and lookin like al roker is one.

LOL, glad ya like it Ralph, hey when are you dropping some new shit anyway? lol

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Really Terry? I can recognize the appeal that Biggie holds to the masses, but that doesn't mean he connects with me personally. Do you find every consensus classic to be a personal classic as well? Think about that for a second, and hopefully it sinks in.

Nope, if i don't think it's a classic, i say it's not a classic. Plain and simple. I'm not out to respect an album just cause it carries a lot of weight.

LOL...I don't believe you at all.

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Muthafucka you sound crazy right now, where the fuck did I say I feel it's not worthy? Stop trying to make a case for something you have no clue about. I said it's not overrated but yet you keep putting words in my mouth. When have you ever known me to bite my say about how I feel about hip hop?

And Powell that is very disrespectful after I explained in plain form why it's not classic to me for you to say I just want to be different.

Yep. I don't know what these fools are tripping over. It's not difficult logic.

Black On Both Sides and the BlackStar album are classics, and I actually like The Estatic. But Mighty Mos' colossal duds are what keeps him out of my Top 10.

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Muthafucka you sound crazy right now, where the fuck did I say I feel it's not worthy? Stop trying to make a case for something you have no clue about. I said it's not overrated but yet you keep putting words in my mouth. When have you ever known me to bite my say about how I feel about hip hop?

And Powell that is very disrespectful after I explained in plain form why it's not classic to me for you to say I just want to be different.

it's simple math man. It Takes A Nation is considered a classic(i.e. 5 stars) by the overwhelming majority of hip hop fans. You said the album is 4.75 stars which means you think it's overrated by .25 stars. The words overrated don't need to physically come out of your mouth.

PE has alwyas connected to me with their singles because imo those are the best songs on all there albums. Key words: TO ME.

And Terry if you can't respect an albums status especially when it's universal than you have a lot to learn about hip hop. That does not mean you luv it or hate it but respect is respect when it's due.

And Steve you are the most worthless piece of rotton shit on this forum and your hip hop credit is bad and I laugh at most of the shit you say when you rate albums. You are a clown and thats the only reason people even respond to you on this forum and probably in the real world also. You got a few lames who cosign you because they are scared of you but most poeple on here wish you ill will...biiitch!

I'm sorry Kev but you know that's my number one hip-hop album of all-time so of course I'm going to take a little bit of offense to anyone saying anything different

kinda like how Pounds gets upset when someone cracks on Living Legends or Konami...lol, ya feel me Kev?

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Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

it's simple math man. It Takes A Nation is considered a classic(i.e. 5 stars) by the overwhelming majority of hip hop fans. You said the album is 4.75 stars which means you think it's overrated by .25 stars. The words overrated don't need to physically come out of your mouth.

What??....

D.Powell wrote:

I'm sorry Kev but you know that's my unmber one hip-hop album of all-time so of course I'm going to take a little bit of offense to anyone saying anything different

kinda like how Pounds gets upset when someone cracks on Living Legends or Konami...lol, ya feel me Kev?

Haha

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

No Alan, it's BS. It's just a way for people to avoid arguments.

That right there is BS. Kev is just showing respect where it's due, and also being true to himself. Better than being fake, and giving a lack of respect.

But why respect it if you don't really think it's worthy of that respect? Everyone knows that It Takes A Nation is a landmark album in terms of quality and importance, and if any album is a unanimous classic, it would be this album. Obviously Kev thinks it's overrated, but he protects himself by saying he respects it's classic status. IMO, those two things shouldn't go together.

Muthafucka you sound crazy right now, where the fuck did I say I feel it's not worthy? Stop trying to make a case for something you have no clue about. I said it's not overrated but yet you keep putting words in my mouth. When have you ever known me to bite my say about how I feel about hip hop?

And Powell that is very disrespectful after I explained in plain form why it's not classic to me for you to say I just want to be different.

it's simple math man. It Takes A Nation is considered a classic(i.e. 5 stars) by the overwhelming majority of hip hop fans. You said the album is 4.75 stars which means you think it's overrated by .25 stars. The words overrated don't need to physically come out of your mouth.

LMAO!! I think we need to nickname Terry, Mr. Semantics.

Again, why can't you acknowledge an album is a classic, but not actually connect with it on a personal level? Meaning, if it's really a classic, you should be spinning that album often and find every track to be great with no skips. The only reason Kev (and others) don't bring up personal thoughts on the album is because there are rock 'em sock 'em fanboy obsessors who go crazy over ratings like you and Powell.

D.Powell wrote:

I'm sorry Kev but you know that's my unmber one hip-hop album of all-time so of course I'm going to take a little bit of offense to anyone saying anything different

kinda like how Pounds gets upset when someone cracks on Living Legends or Konami...lol, ya feel me Kev?

I know what you are saying but if you said Death Certificate is not classic to you but you respect it's status I would have no problem with that.

KRob86 wrote:

And Terry if you can't respect an albums status especially when it's universal than you have a lot to learn about hip hop. That does not mean you luv it or hate it but respect is respect when it's due.

There is always learning to be done, but not in this situation. Why is the respect due? Music is purely personal. If i don't like it, i'm going to say i don't like it. I'm not going to respect a 5 star rating just because it is generally given a 5 star rating.

D.Powell wrote:

I'm sorry Kev but you know that's my number one hip-hop album of all-time so of course I'm going to take a little bit of offense to anyone saying anything different

kinda like how Pounds gets upset when someone cracks on Living Legends or Konami...lol, ya feel me Kev?

When have I gotten upset about that? lol...you're the only one that sprays shorts when Biggie's name is mentioned.

And why would I be upset about someone talking shit about a video game manufacturer?

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

And Terry if you can't respect an albums status especially when it's universal than you have a lot to learn about hip hop. That does not mean you luv it or hate it but respect is respect when it's due.

There is always learning to be done, but not in this situation. Why is the respect due? Music is purely personal. If i don't like it, i'm going to say i don't like it. I'm not going to respect a 5 star rating just because it is generally given a 5 star rating.

Well if music is so personal why are you given me shit about saying its not a personal classic? I already know what you'll say though so neva mind.

KRob86 wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I'm sorry Kev but you know that's my unmber one hip-hop album of all-time so of course I'm going to take a little bit of offense to anyone saying anything different

kinda like how Pounds gets upset when someone cracks on Living Legends or Konami...lol, ya feel me Kev?

I know what you are saying but if you said Death Certificate is not classic to you but you respect it's status I would have no problem with that.

I don't actually find Death Certificate to be a classic either. AMW? Definitely. But without The Bomb Squad, I'm not feeling it quite as much. Maybe.....I dunno...4.75 stars to me personally....lol. But I still respect it's classic status.

Get it Terry? lol...I'm sure you won't, but I'd like to see you get upset about it again...

KRob86 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

And Terry if you can't respect an albums status especially when it's universal than you have a lot to learn about hip hop. That does not mean you luv it or hate it but respect is respect when it's due.

There is always learning to be done, but not in this situation. Why is the respect due? Music is purely personal. If i don't like it, i'm going to say i don't like it. I'm not going to respect a 5 star rating just because it is generally given a 5 star rating.

Well if music is so personal why are you given me shit about saying its not a personal classic?

Ha ha ha...exactly. People make out majority opinions to be fact too much around here.