VOTING QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED

Ok, so recently there has been ambiguous vote tallies in the polls since obviously the polls close and once they do there can be no more votes on a specific matchup. If here has been ties we have been using the number of DECLARED votes as the tie breaker, which is fine.

It gets difficult though when we start counting declared votes after the polls have closed and at the time of close they were not tied. Should we allow these votes? I am under the opinion that NO, we should not allow votes from people after the polls have been closed if there is NO TIE. That makes things way too ambiguous as tons of declared votes always come in after the polls close. Isn't the reason the polls have a run time for the sole point of closing the voting after a certain amount of time? An album shouldn't be allowed to lose after having a 2-3 point lead for example at the time of close...it simply wouldnt make sense. That means a losing album can overtake a winner after their matchup has "ended"...this amounts to for example, alllowing a basketball team who loses by 20 to come back during an extra Quarter, it just doesnt make sense IMO...

Anyway, what does the forum think?

Well, this problem wouldn't happen if everyone that voted simply typed in the album that they voted for. I didn't realize that many people had Arthritis on this forum...seriously just hit a few keys.

Yeah, I think we need to decide one way or the other. This rule changing is annoying. Before Kev said he would only count declared votes vs. the poll if there was a tie and he would use it as a tie breaker. But when Anghellic beat Below The Heavens he then started counting declared votes after the poll close to make it so that Below The Heavens won.

I think we need to choose one way or another and stick to it, whichever way we choose.

I choose what we had been doing, which is only count declared votes if there is a tie in the poll and don't count late votes. If people want to keep the polls open for 3 days that should give everyone plenty of time to vote.

Half wrote:

Well, this problem wouldn't happen if everyone that voted simply typed in the album that they voted for. I didn't realize that many people had Arthritis on this forum...seriously just hit a few keys.

no the problem is b/c KRob is allowing come backs after albums have already lost...IMO that shouldnt be allowed, this thread is to vote only on that issue

I saw a tie on a closed poll... I was away and couldn't vote until now. I forget which poll but a tiebreaker vote seems fair especially since im not double dipping. The non-declared votes not counting seems a little harsh on the simple 1-click brethren.

Blades wrote:

I saw a tie on a closed poll... I was away and couldn't vote until now. I forget which poll but a tiebreaker vote seems fair especially since im not double dipping. The non-declared votes not counting seems a little harsh on the simple 1-click brethren.

Yeah but kev's the declared vote Nazi.

Dry humping sleeping slow girls = morally acceptable

Not announcing your vote in a poll = unacceptable, your opinion is irrelevant

Blades wrote:

I saw a tie on a closed poll... I was away and couldn't vote until now. I forget which poll but a tiebreaker vote seems fair especially since im not double dipping. The non-declared votes not counting seems a little harsh on the simple 1-click brethren.

no thats not the issue, i agree with what you just said, and so you should have voted for option 1.

The second option is only when there is NOT a tie after the polls have closed and then allowing the "late" votes to overtake the winning album. I think thats bullshit, and if you do too then you should have voted for option 1 lol. No one is disputing that when there is a tie the late votes should count...that would be like overtime

and ya i agree with you about being too harsh on non-declared votes

I agree, but there have match-ups where I havent declared because of so many polls on a given day and other polls which spark my interest more. Just a little reasoning behind the laze but I get it now, it doesnt take much to type what can usually be abbreviated anyway. If a poll 'closes' and there is a winner, that should be all folks.

Yea my vote here was a confused 1, strike that

Blades wrote:

I agree, but there have match-ups where I havent declared because of so many polls on a given day and other polls which spark my interest more. Just a little reasoning behind the laze but I get it now, it doesnt take much to type what can usually be abbreviated anyway. If a poll 'closes' and there is a winner, that should be all folks.

cosign man

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Yeah, I think we need to decide one way or the other. This rule changing is annoying. Before Kev said he would only count declared votes vs. the poll if there was a tie and he would use it as a tie breaker. But when Anghellic beat Below The Heavens he then started counting declared votes after the poll close to make it so that Below The Heavens won.

I think we need to choose one way or another and stick to it, whichever way we choose.

I choose what we had been doing, which is only count declared votes if there is a tie in the poll and don't count late votes. If people want to keep the polls open for 3 days that should give everyone plenty of time to vote.

Are you serious?

Yes, he said he accidentally set the first round of polls to close in 1 day and realized it was too short of a period so he was going back and counting declared votes after the poll closed for polls where the difference was only 1 vote for the winner.

Now if you are going to put this out there let's be truthful.

I only did that to make sure all albums had a fair shot. A point score win is fine but if round 2 is no where near starting and 2-5 people show up voting what does it hurt to give them a voice?

I just feel some of you guys fav albums are now losing because of this and you are bugged by it. I truly feel that is 40-60% of it.

But like I said no sweat. If it seems like cheating or something we can just stick to the tied polls. But that really sucks imo especially if we are still active in the current round.

T. Myers wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Yeah, I think we need to decide one way or the other. This rule changing is annoying. Before Kev said he would only count declared votes vs. the poll if there was a tie and he would use it as a tie breaker. But when Anghellic beat Below The Heavens he then started counting declared votes after the poll close to make it so that Below The Heavens won.

I think we need to choose one way or another and stick to it, whichever way we choose.

I choose what we had been doing, which is only count declared votes if there is a tie in the poll and don't count late votes. If people want to keep the polls open for 3 days that should give everyone plenty of time to vote.

Are you serious?

Those are false claims. I like Below The Heaven no doubt. But its not that serious homie. I do not any other way I word what I already explained. Now that is truly on you guys if you try to rread deeper into this. I just know if this was flipped with BTH winning by one and I recounted and Anghell won there would be no problems. Come clean.

I wasn't trying to put it out there as a bad thing kev, I was just trying to sum it up for terry without drawing it out too long. I'm fine with whatever you do as long as there are clear rules and we know what to expect, now we do so I have no problem with whoever wins.

As long as the same guidelines apply to every match up, i'm cool with allowing the votes after the threads close.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

I wasn't trying to put it out there as a bad thing kev, I was just trying to sum it up for terry without drawing it out too long. I'm fine with whatever you do as long as there are clear rules and we know what to expect, now we do so I have no problem with whoever wins.

Okay. I do agree that there should be clear rules. And my fault for basically throwing rules out htere without pre explaing. Just I did not for see this so it was learn as I go pretty much.

So I'll go with whatever the majority of y'all feel is legit.

"Count declared votes even after polls close regardless"

And that was worded incorrectly Slang. I will only count votes again if there is a tie or a one point speard and new votes are coming in and the next round has not started.

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

"Count declared votes even after polls close regardless"

And that was worded incorrectly Slang. I will only count votes again if there is a tie or a one point speard and new votes are coming in and the next round has not started.

i still dont agree with that but its not up tome. What is the difference between a 1 and 4 point spread? If 4 declared votes come after the poll closes there isnt really a difference...If that is the case there should be no polls.

And the whole argument about round 1 still going on is stupid because that means the matchups that get nominated first have over a week for peole to vote and the mast matchups only have like 2 days...everything shold have the same amount of time to be voted on, againt his is IMO

I think you should leave the polls open indefinitely. Once you are ready to start the next round just make a post on the individual threads indicating what the final vote is, and go from there.

I vote yes on Proposition B.

Um, I mean, to do the declared votes after polls close, if there is a tie.

Myestro wrote:

I vote yes on Proposition B.

Um, I mean, to do the declared votes after polls close, if there is a tie.

so that is prop A...

Slang Editorial wrote:

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

"Count declared votes even after polls close regardless"

And that was worded incorrectly Slang. I will only count votes again if there is a tie or a one point speard and new votes are coming in and the next round has not started.

i still dont agree with that but its not up tome. What is the difference between a 1 and 4 point spread? If 4 declared votes come after the poll closes there isnt really a difference...If that is the case there should be no polls.

And the whole argument about round 1 still going on is stupid because that means the matchups that get nominated first have over a week for peole to vote and the mast matchups only have like 2 days...everything shold have the same amount of time to be voted on, againt his is IMO

3?.....lol. I mean if an album is winning by more than one and the polls are closed that should be it. Unless someone pushes the issue I guess and the forum decides other wise. I'm only saying if an significant amount of votes come threw after a poll is closed we should tally them.

T. Myers wrote:

I think you should leave the polls open indefinitely. Once you are ready to start the next round just make a post on the individual threads indicating what the final vote is, and go from there.

Booyah!!!!!!!!!! Well there you go Terry you just solved this shit. I will leave the post opened period but once the round is over and we move on thats it.

I'm Prop Joe

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

"Count declared votes even after polls close regardless"

And that was worded incorrectly Slang. I will only count votes again if there is a tie or a one point speard and new votes are coming in and the next round has not started.

i still dont agree with that but its not up tome. What is the difference between a 1 and 4 point spread? If 4 declared votes come after the poll closes there isnt really a difference...If that is the case there should be no polls.

And the whole argument about round 1 still going on is stupid because that means the matchups that get nominated first have over a week for peole to vote and the mast matchups only have like 2 days...everything shold have the same amount of time to be voted on, againt his is IMO

3?.....lol. I mean if an album is winning by more than one and the polls are closed that should be it. Unless someone pushes the issue I guess and the forum decides other wise. I'm only saying if an significant amount of votes come threw after a poll is closed we should tally them.

again "a significant amount" is a subjective measure....anyone can say 1 is significant and someone else may say 10 is significant. anyway i guess just leave them open indefinitely

"Only Count Declared votes after polls close if there is a tie" is what I vote for.

Slang Editorial wrote:

Myestro wrote:

I vote yes on Proposition B.

Um, I mean, to do the declared votes after polls close, if there is a tie.

so that is prop A...

Well, I'm not good at maths. Sorry.

Myestro wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Myestro wrote:

I vote yes on Proposition B.

Um, I mean, to do the declared votes after polls close, if there is a tie.

so that is prop A...

Well, I'm not good at maths. Sorry.

I'm good at discrete math

Half wrote:

Myestro wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Myestro wrote:

I vote yes on Proposition B.

Um, I mean, to do the declared votes after polls close, if there is a tie.

so that is prop A...

Well, I'm not good at maths. Sorry.

I'm good at discrete math

I'm just proud of myself for getting the Proposition part right. For a minute, I thought it was Preparation H.