1212- 7L & Esoteric

Okay i'm sure i'm not the first to create a thread about this album. I may have missed but I had to put this one on loud speaker.

While Eso is nothing unique on the mic he is still something serious. If you dig most above average back pack style emcees no one should have any prob getting into him. And the beats are soooo dope. Who does the production for this cat?

I highly rec this album to cats like KJ, Highsmith, Wayne, and Powell especially. This is something that should keep your good faith in in good rap music.

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

Okay i'm sure i'm not the first to create a thread about this album. I may have missed but I had to put this one on loud speaker.

While 7L is nothing unique on the mic he is still something serious. If you dig most above average back pack style emcees no one should have any prob getting into him. And the beats are soooo dope. Who does the production for this cat?

I highly rec this album to cats like KJ, Highsmith, Wayne, and Powell especially. This is something that should keep your good faith in in good rap music.

Actually, I believe you are the first to dedicate a thread to this album.

And 7L does the production. Esoteric is the emcee. And the fact that you refer to him as an "above average back pack style emcee", makes it less likely that those guys will check it out. I think you're selling the man short, but what do I know?

LOl....my fault. I'm just digging this album. Are all their albums on this tip?

And above average back pack rapper was just to give an idea to some who may hesitate or go in with some other expectations. He's just like your Apathy's, Phonte's, Celph's etc etc. But thats not a bad thing is it?

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

LOl....my fault. I'm just digging this album. Are all their albums on this tip?

And above average back pack rapper was just to give an idea to some who may hesitate or go in with some other expectations. He's just like your Apathy's, Phonte's, Celph's etc etc. But thats not a bad thing is it?

To me, no, it's not a bad thing at all. We all know how Powell feels about those guys though. So his chances of peeping this are now 0.

I dig this album too. Not 100% sure by what you mean about other albums being "on this tip". Most don't have such an old school feel to them. My opinion of their albums would be (in order):

The Soul Purpose
Dangerous Connection
1212 (though this could realistically move up to #2)
DC 2: Bars of Death
A New Dope

I haven't heard Moment of Rarities.

I think you'd dig Dangerous Connection though, if you like this one. Could always d/l them as a test drive, if you're not against that sort of thing.

Myestro wrote:

KRob TheRapGod wrote:

LOl....my fault. I'm just digging this album. Are all their albums on this tip?

And above average back pack rapper was just to give an idea to some who may hesitate or go in with some other expectations. He's just like your Apathy's, Phonte's, Celph's etc etc. But thats not a bad thing is it?

To me, no, it's not a bad thing at all. We all know how Powell feels about those guys though. So his chances of peeping this are now 0.

I dig this album too. Not 100% sure by what you mean about other albums being "on this tip". Most don't have such an old school feel to them. My opinion of their albums would be (in order):

The Soul Purpose
Dangerous Connection
1212 (though this could realistically move up to #2)
DC 2: Bars of Death
A New Dope

I haven't heard Moment of Rarities.

I think you'd dig Dangerous Connection though, if you like this one. Could always d/l them as a test drive, if you're not against that sort of thing.

Pretty much that. And i'll check out the one's you rec'ed.

Depending on free time, and such, I'd recommend giving all of them at least a listen. You might like them all, or not like any of them. Ultimately, it's your call though.

Avoid A New Dope, shit was wack. DC 2: Bars of Death was solid, haven't peep Dangerous Connection or 1212 yet, and The Soul Purpose was dope as hell, my favorite from the three that I own.

I still need to get this.

Victor Shade wrote:

Avoid A New Dope, shit was wack. DC 2: Bars of Death was solid, haven't peep Dangerous Connection or 1212 yet, and The Soul Purpose was dope as hell, my favorite from the three that I own.

The Soul Purpose is still my favorite too. I need to cop Moment of Rarities at some point.

Moment of Rarities is a piece of shit IMO. I'd get Too Much Posse! by Esoteric instead.

I thnk if anyone were to listen to Eso without any preconceived expectations...you kind of have to appreciate his skill. I would say his biggest fault is that he really doesn't seem to switch up his flow too often. Add that with how specific his flow is, and I can see how you either like him or you don't.

AOTP, Demigodz...nobody does punchline/ battle rap better.

parker lewis wrote:

I thnk if anyone were to listen to Eso without any preconceived expectations...you kind of have to appreciate his skill. I would say his biggest fault is that he really doesn't seem to switch up his flow too often. Add that with how specific his flow is, and I can see how you either like him or you don't.

AOTP, Demigodz...nobody does punchline/ battle rap better.

Aside from that ridiculous last part, I co-sign this post.

Not too ridiculous, since it's a matter of opinion. That collective is certainly in the running for top spot if you were to poll a group of hip hop fans who are familiar.

Demigodz? Sure. Aotp? Not even close. IMO, of course.

This album is great. After about three listens, I'd say Eso pretty much killed it. I don't love all the production, but most of it I do.

12th Chamber is my favorite track by far. I'd say the AOTP track is my least favorite.

Anybody notice how terrible Sadat X has been lately? He just sounds uncomfortable on the mic. Maybe he's trying a new flow, but I hope he doesn't think it's working for him.

parker lewis wrote:

Anybody notice how terrible Sadat X has been lately? He just sounds uncomfortable on the mic. Maybe he's trying a new flow, but I hope he doesn't think it's working for him.

I haven't heard this album but he did appear on the Celph album and he wasn't very memorable there either.

That's the other spot I heard him on...he's more than not memorable to me, I think he ruined that track and the one on 1212.

12th Chamber is my favorite track too. I even posted it on the Rate The Track Above You thread, and someone didn't like the beat. To each their own, I guess.

I Hate Flying>>>>>>>>>>

LOL, none of the people Kev rec'd this album to have even bothered to post on this thread. I'm still waiting for my copy to get here, but the 4 or 5 tracks i've heard have all been great.

12th Chamber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Hate Flying

Also, I'm about halfway through The Soul purpose, and so far it's a great effort.

Verbal Assault>>>>>>>>>>>>
Operating Correctly>>>>>>>>>

T. Myers wrote:

LOL, none of the people Kev rec'd this album to have even bothered to post on this thread. I'm still waiting for my copy to get here, but the 4 or 5 tracks i've heard have all been great.

12th Chamber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Hate Flying

Also, I'm about halfway through The Soul purpose, and so far it's a great effort.

Verbal Assault>>>>>>>>>>>>
Operating Correctly>>>>>>>>>

That's no surprise. I bet none of them have even heard it. I mean, Esoteric is white, and not named Eminem, so why would they check it out?

Myestro wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

LOL, none of the people Kev rec'd this album to have even bothered to post on this thread. I'm still waiting for my copy to get here, but the 4 or 5 tracks i've heard have all been great.

12th Chamber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Hate Flying

Also, I'm about halfway through The Soul purpose, and so far it's a great effort.

Verbal Assault>>>>>>>>>>>>
Operating Correctly>>>>>>>>>

That's no surprise. I bet none of them have even heard it. I mean, Esoteric is white, and not named Eminem, so why would they check it out?

I see where you are going with that. And while I will not front like that may be a factor it is not the primary factor. I think it just has more to do with him being unknown and with the sometimes over hyping of underground artists on most forums.

This album and Esoteric are fucking iLL. The only thing that bothers me a little (and maybe I'm alone on this) is that Eso sounds a bit (voice-wise, nothing else) like Jay-Z.

thelundquist wrote:

This album and Esoteric are fucking iLL. The only thing that bothers me a little (and maybe I'm alone on this) is that Eso sounds a bit (voice-wise, nothing else) like Jay-Z.

Personally, I don't really hear it. Though I have had an album playing, and someone who didn't know thought it was Jay-Z (might have been my sister). Maybe I'm just too used to him to hear it.

I didn't hear Jay either

TicNitty706 wrote:

Myestro wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

LOL, none of the people Kev rec'd this album to have even bothered to post on this thread. I'm still waiting for my copy to get here, but the 4 or 5 tracks i've heard have all been great.

12th Chamber>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Hate Flying

Also, I'm about halfway through The Soul purpose, and so far it's a great effort.

Verbal Assault>>>>>>>>>>>>
Operating Correctly>>>>>>>>>

That's no surprise. I bet none of them have even heard it. I mean, Esoteric is white, and not named Eminem, so why would they check it out?

I see where you are going with that. And while I will not front like that may be a factor it is not the primary factor. I think it just has more to do with him being unknown and with the sometimes over hyping of underground artists on most forums.

Yeah, it might have come across as me trying to make it more than it really is. If so, my bad. But I know what you mean about the overhyping of underground artists on forums. There's plenty that I feel are overhyped, and some I feel that don't get enough shine. It's all a matter of personal preference. I do think they (KJ, Wayne, Powell, etc.) would dig 7L & ES if they gave them a fair chance though. I don't think they'd be like "oh, they're the greatest", but I think they'd at least get some enjoyment out of it.

My friend said Eso sounded like Jay, too. I don't hear it at all

I hear some Jay in Eso. But Jay is in everyone being the greatest rapper ever ever.

ever

I'm sorry Ms. Jackson.

I just saw this for the 1st time today....lol I will check it out Terry. I just got 1982 and 3 Day Theory from Itunes. I also plan to get Made In Brooklyn. (I know I'm late, remember I just got No Said Date in 2010) Myestro just recommended this to me on the 2010 list that I just made. This will be on my radar, I just want to listen to those 3 CDs are first. I also saw "Stick To The Script" from Statik Selektah and liked that tracklisting. How is it?

I love it, but you'd probably be better served with a somebody else's opinion. Less bias and whatnot. It does have an old school kind of vibe to it though.

I can't promise you'll like it, but I think it's worth checking out at least.

" I also saw "Stick To The Script" from Statik Selektah and liked that tracklisting. How is it?"

Is that what you're referring to, Mys? I thought it was a huge disappointment. 3.5 stars from me, but I'm a Statik stan, so it may be less...

A New Dope is 7ES's best album

Sarcasm?

LOL, i hope so. I listened to a few tracks from A New Dope on youtube last night and it was god awful. I copped Dangerous Connection and DC2: Bars of Death last night though.

I still need to listen to Soul Purpose.

And that Statik album Stick To The Script is str8 but forgettable. I say get 100 Proof The Hangover instead.

TicNitty706 wrote:

I still need to listen to Soul Purpose.

And that Statik album Stick To The Script is str8 but forgettable. I say get 100 Proof The Hangover instead.

If you're interested, Secondspin has a copy for $3.99. Plus, Secondspin has a special right now where all orders are shipped for $1.99 and you get 20% off your order too. So it would only be about $5-$6 for it by itself or even a better deal if you order more from them.

http://www.secondspin.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2643255

Victor Shade wrote:

Sarcasm?

naw, 7es felt right at home with that album. Face it, Eso seems silly rapping along side Celph talking about guns. Eso even states it himself. I felt A New Dope was him being himself

T. Myers wrote:

LOL, i hope so. I listened to a few tracks from A New Dope on youtube last night and it was god awful. I copped Dangerous Connection and DC2: Bars of Death last night though.

Don't know, I enjoy A New Dope--it has an 80's feel. DC2 was really dope but I can't take Eso seriously on tracks like WAR. He's not a hardcore rapper.

It wasn't so much the lyricism as much as it was those lame techno inspired beats.

T. Myers wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

I still need to listen to Soul Purpose.

And that Statik album Stick To The Script is str8 but forgettable. I say get 100 Proof The Hangover instead.

If you're interested, Secondspin has a copy for $3.99. Plus, Secondspin has a special right now where all orders are shipped for $1.99 and you get 20% off your order too. So it would only be about $5-$6 for it by itself or even a better deal if you order more from them.

http://www.secondspin.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2643255

I already have it. I caught it at FYE used for 3.99.

TicNitty706 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

I still need to listen to Soul Purpose.

And that Statik album Stick To The Script is str8 but forgettable. I say get 100 Proof The Hangover instead.

If you're interested, Secondspin has a copy for $3.99. Plus, Secondspin has a special right now where all orders are shipped for $1.99 and you get 20% off your order too. So it would only be about $5-$6 for it by itself or even a better deal if you order more from them.

http://www.secondspin.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2643255

I already have it. I caught it at FYE used for 3.99.

LOL, i got mine at FYE for $3.99 too.

T. Myers wrote:

It wasn't so much the lyricism as much as it was those lame techno inspired beats.

Yep yep, I can't get into that shit, dope lyricists doesn't mean as much to me if the beats are wack as hell....these ears can't take wack beats.

T. Myers wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

I still need to listen to Soul Purpose.

And that Statik album Stick To The Script is str8 but forgettable. I say get 100 Proof The Hangover instead.

If you're interested, Secondspin has a copy for $3.99. Plus, Secondspin has a special right now where all orders are shipped for $1.99 and you get 20% off your order too. So it would only be about $5-$6 for it by itself or even a better deal if you order more from them.

http://www.secondspin.com/music/product-detail.jsp?id=2643255

I already have it. I caught it at FYE used for 3.99.

LOL, i got mine at FYE for $3.99 too.

x3

Shaun wrote:

" I also saw "Stick To The Script" from Statik Selektah and liked that tracklisting. How is it?"

Is that what you're referring to, Mys? I thought it was a huge disappointment. 3.5 stars from me, but I'm a Statik stan, so it may be less...

Oops, my bad. I was actually referring to this album (1212), due to the fact that I said it's one from 2010 that Highsmith should peep. Was just saying that my opinion is biased, so to ask one of you guys.

Ah. Makes sense. This album does keep getting better to me. I think I may like it more than 1982 as of now

I've only spun 1212 once with no previous experience with either 7L or Eso and I thought it was ok. I def hear the Jay comparison, though, it was the first thing I noticed. Some of the beats are really cool but some are boring. Overall, it was ok but I have been listening to a TON of new shit lately so it might be getting lost in the sauce. I think I'm gonna check out A New Dope, tho, I have liked all of Trotter's recs so far.

I have 100 Proof already Kev and that's in my Top 5 for 2010. Thanks for the feedback by the way. I got through 1982 and 3 Day Theory today and I am more than impressed with both efforts. They will definitely be in my Top 10 for the year once I bump 2 Cds down the list.