100 Greatest Nominee Day 83 (E)

Large Pro/Main Source

Top 50 all the way....

Neither, quite easily.

Steve you are the weirdest mofo ever.

What? They released only TWO albums seventy years ago, and faded away, and Large Pro is dope as a producer but his solos are 4 stars at best.

Top 100.

Top 100, QUITE EASILY!

easy top 100

See, this forum's bias is ridiculous. Shitty jazzy-faggy groups and kill yourself psychos are 95% of this forum's tastes.

Two albums IS NOT ENOUGH to be top 100, let alone top 50.

Kill yourself psychos?

Steve wrote:

See, this forum's bias is ridiculous. Shitty jazzy-faggy groups and kill yourself psychos are 95% of this forum's tastes.

Two albums IS NOT ENOUGH to be top 100, let alone top 50.

WTFE!! Large Professor had solo albums too so I'm putting that into the equation, not to mention his cameos.

I'd say more of your favs got in than didn't, so stop bitching!

Solo albums none of which are more than four stars, and Main Source's second album is 4 stars at best.

A classic and a few great albums isn't something to dismiss

None of their offerings were great our even close to resembling their 1st. Say it with me. One hit wonders.

Steve wrote:

Solo albums none of which are more than four stars, and Main Source's second album is 4 stars at best.

4 stars = Excellent

That's more than can be said about a number of artists who made it.

I disagree old buddy

Fuck What You Think wasn't close to Breaking Atoms, true, but we're talking about Large Pro also, and I think the LP & Main Source were both at least 4 star albums (I'd actually rate The LP higher than that), and 1st Class wasn't bad either.

Hey Steve,

MF Doom, Cormega, Paris, Tech N9ne, Kurupt, Mac Dre, Yukmouth, K-Rino, WC & The Madd Circle, Canibus, Trick Daddy, and Company Flow are ALL in the Top 100 as of today, and NONE of them have any consensus classics.

There are also a number of MC's that only have one consensus classic, and that classic isn't as good as Breakin Atoms. So I don't see the point of your argument other than you not being a Large Professor or jazz rap fan.

A normal career will have ups and downs KJ, ups and downs. You chose all underground artists, so of course none of them have a consensus classic. I also neithered Kurupt, Mac Dre, Yukmouth, WC, and Company Flow. But anyway, the point you are missing here, is that Main Source completely and utterly fell off and became irrelevant, even to their fans, after their first album, it's just an amazing dive. All the other artists, even those that I neithered, at least start off high, maybe get lower, but go high again, not one trick ponies, not one hit wonders.

Steve I really get where you are coming from and that is why it took so long for me to nominate this grp/artist. But when I thought about Large Pro as a solo artist and how smooth his flow his and he has mic skills and two 4+ albums and one golden age must have classic I had to give the man his due.

Large Pro left Main Source after the debut, and he basically WAS Main Source for all intents and purposes, so of course they became irrelevant. But he never fell off as an artist, he was just held up by label politics in his solo career. You'd have a point if he just sucked after Breaking Atoms, but circumstances were all that held him up, and he's still going strong as an artist.

Steve wrote:

A normal career will have ups and downs KJ, ups and downs. You chose all underground artists, so of course none of them have a consensus classic. I also neithered Kurupt, Mac Dre, Yukmouth, WC, and Company Flow. But anyway, the point you are missing here, is that Main Source completely and utterly fell off and became irrelevant, even to their fans, after their first album, it's just an amazing dive. All the other artists, even those that I neithered, at least start off high, maybe get lower, but go high again, not one trick ponies, not one hit wonders.

I understand what you're saying. If it were just about Main Source then I probably would've voted neither. But it's ALSO about Large Professor. Since the two were combined, they make my Top 100. I've enjoyed all but one of LP's solo albums. While he himself doesn't have a consensus solo classic, he does have one with Main Source and has many classic collaboration songs to his credit and he NEVER fell off as a solo artist.

As for underground artists, I'd say Jurassic 5, Blu, and Masters Of The Universe/One Be Lo have consensus classics.

I don't know how you're judging consensus classics, but if J5, Blu, and Masters of the Universe/One Be Lo have consensus classics according to you, so do some of the people from your list before, like MF Doom, Paris, and Company Flow.

Jason wrote:

I don't know how you're judging consensus classics, but if J5, Blu, and Masters of the Universe/One Be Lo have consensus classics according to you, so do some of the people from your list before, like MF Doom, Paris, and Company Flow.

The only one I'd argue is MF Doom's Madvillany. Most have that album at 4.5 stars but I can see why some would call it a classic. Otherwise I disagree with you.

KJ, if J5 and Blu are concensus classics, then Co Flow is an undisputed, 100% classic

I don't know many that have actually spun Company Flow's Funcrusher and not given it a 5. Even Powell has the record at a 5. Funcrusher Plus is a consensus classic. Period.

The Realness everyone but you calls classic. You just listed your own personal fave, there are countless other underground classics bigger than those 3. And those are just recent.

Steve wrote:

The Realness everyone but you calls classic. You just listed your own personal fave, there are countless other underground classics bigger than those 3. And those are just recent.

The Realness is 4 stars IMO, and I don't know anybody outside of this forum that considers it a classic.

Sure there are other underground classics, I was just giving a few examples.

Shon wrote:

KJ, if J5 and Blu are concensus classics, then Co Flow is an undisputed, 100% classic

I've only spun that album once and I gave it a 4.5. I'll spin it again sometime.

You only give The Realness a 4 because you hate everyone that doesn't like Nas

Shon wrote:

You only give The Realness a 4 because you hate everyone that doesn't like Nas

Bullshit! If that were the case I'd give it 3 or lower. 4 stars is still considered an excellent album.

It's not skip free to me, and Mega isn't the lyricist that Nas is. I'd even rank AZ over Mega. Doe or Die is much better than the Realness.

Az has murked Nas several times they were on the same song, KJ.

And

Mega's Catalogue>Nas' Catalogue

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

Az has murked Nas several times they were on the same song, KJ.

And

Mega's Catalogue>Nas' Catalogue

Coming from somebody who has Haystak and Cage on their GOAT list. Please!!!

Nas' catalog TRUMPS Mega's times INFINITY!!!

As for AZ murking Nas on the same track, I personally don't see it. I think they were even on a number of tracks but I wouldn't say AZ outshined him on any of them. The only people I ever hear say that are those who dislike Nas (You, Steve, Cory, etc)

KJ Styles wrote:

Shon wrote:

KJ, if J5 and Blu are concensus classics, then Co Flow is an undisputed, 100% classic

I've only spun that album once and I gave it a 4.5. I'll spin it again sometime.

Bullshit, once and a 4.5?

And Jeff Mega catlog greater than Nas...never mind.

For the last time KJ, you have no clue who's on my goat list, you're retarded. Cage wouldn't come close to my goat list.


Also, my point was Cormega's consistency was better than Nas'. Mega hasn't dropped an album less than 4, whereas Nas has a 2.5 album.

KJ, putting the word "consensus" in front of "classic" doesn't mean anything if you're just talking about your opinion of an album.

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

For the last time KJ, you have no clue who's on my goat list, you're retarded. Cage wouldn't come close to my goat list.


Also, my point was Cormega's consistency was better than Nas'. Mega hasn't dropped an album less than 4, whereas Nas has a 2.5 album.

I'd say Nastradamus was a 3, and the only reason for that is because The Lost Tapes was supposed to be released with it but he left it off because of bootlegging. Otherwise it would have been 4 or better because The Lost Tapes is a classic.

Illmatic, It Was Written, Stillmatic, The Lost Tapes, and Untitled are CLEARLY better than The Realness (I personally think God's Son and HHID are better too but that's just my opinion).

Nas' catalog is FAR SUPERIOR to Cormega's. Anyone that says otherwise is simply a Nas hater.

As for Cage not coming close to your GOAT list, I apologize. But Haystak is on your list and he's equally as wack.

The only Nas album better than The Realness (and maybe the Ture Meaning, too) is Illmatic, IMO

Jason wrote:

KJ, putting the word "consensus" in front of "classic" doesn't mean anything if you're just talking about your opinion of an album.

Well Einstein, the vast majority of people I know (both on and offline) call Quality Control, SONOGRAM, Masters Of The Universe, and Below The Heavens classics. That's why I used the word consensus.

Shon wrote:

The only Nas album better than The Realness (and maybe the Ture Meaning, too) is Illmatic, IMO

That's YOUR OPINION and you're entitled to it, but I disagree.

And 57 out of 68 people on Amazon rate The Realness at 5 stars.

"{That's YOUR OPINION and you're entitled to it, but I disagree."

Hence the reason I said 'IMO"...

It's funny how people criticize me for not considering The Realness a classic. Yet I've heard a number of people in here say that Biggie's Ready To Die isn't a classic and that album TRUMPS the Realness in every way, shape or form.

Shon wrote:

The only Nas album better than The Realness (and maybe the Ture Meaning, too) is Illmatic, IMO

Now Shon you have said some outlandish shit b4 but this one takes the cake.

I see what you're saying KJ, but, Ready To Die is not skip free to me, and Biggie isn't the lyricist that Mega is. I'd even rank AZ over Biggie. Doe or Die is much better than Ready To Die

The Lost Tapes is better than The True Meaning, too, but I'll take Mega's debut over any Nas album not called Illmatic

It's all personal preference....I put The Realness over any Nas album, not True Meaning though. The Realness is definitely a top 25, if not higher all-time classic to me, while Illmatic is not. No one is trying to argue that is more acclaimed than Illmatic though.


It's funny, the memory of some people. It took Illmatic over TWO YEARS to go Gold and Plat, and that was thanks to East Vs. West and beef. Anyone who said Nas brought back the East is full of shit, because he didn't sell shit for a hot minute.

KRob86 wrote:

Shon wrote:

The only Nas album better than The Realness (and maybe the Ture Meaning, too) is Illmatic, IMO

Now Shon you have said some outlandish shit b4 but this one takes the cake.

Kev, I agree with Shon. Aside from Illmatic, It's in the realm of possibllity that The Realness is better than any other Nas album. I'm not saying it is better than the rest of Nas' discography. However, it's close enough to go either way.

Come on now it is not close you guys just don't like Nas like that which is cool but I know your call is a tad tainted.

It's not close, to you, just like Poison Clan is hot garbage shit rap to us as well.