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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Thu 08 Nov 2012, 3:16 pm

Yes, but possession of MJ is still a federal crime. So you can smoke it legally but not posses it. Hows that going work out ?
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Thu 08 Nov 2012, 3:50 pm

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Yes, but possession of MJ is still a federal crime. So you can smoke it legally but not posses it. Hows that going work out ?

Yeah, that's the problem.

As far as Washington, the legal sale of marijuana is still at least a year away due to setting it all up, so purchasing is still an issue. Possession of small amounts of marijuana has always been a low priority in the state so this is not a huge change. The state will regulate it, but the problem with growers and sellers is that the feds could still harass them if they wanted to. These laws will likely go to the supreme court for final determination of their legality.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Thu 08 Nov 2012, 4:41 pm

Federal wont be able to police possession, though. So it's a pretty huge victory in that respect.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Thu 08 Nov 2012, 4:43 pm

And you have to figure, Congress is made of State Reps, so the more and more legalization initiatives get passed, the closer we are to Federal revision.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Fri 09 Nov 2012, 2:34 am

Eh, let me know when it hits New York. Until then, I guess I'll keep reading stories about other places while breaking the law.

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Fri 09 Nov 2012, 2:36 am

I heard Toronto has hash bars...
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Fri 09 Nov 2012, 3:14 am

I heard Toronto has terrible drivers, food that is terrible for you, but delicious, and the highest math/physics scores in North America

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Fri 09 Nov 2012, 3:47 am

that's Vancouver BC
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Fri 09 Nov 2012, 3:48 am

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 1:39 am

Chipper is correct. And yes, I know it'll take some time for them to get everything settled. What makes me nervous is that I know there are some people against it. What if they propose a law that makes it illegal for anybody with any amount of THC in their system to be caught driving. That basically translates to " if you were smoking 3 weeks ago, and you get caught driving, you are subject to a blood or urine test. If you come up positive, then your ass will get thrown in jail regardless of how long ago you smoked." This can be really bad depending on how it is handled.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 2:14 am

They would legislate EMT blood draws at accidents. You can effectively determine half-life with that. A close friend of mine got vehicular manslaughter in S Florida about 15 years ago that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 3:59 am

Well, it will still be illegal to drive while under the influence of drugs even when weed is legalized and I agree with that 100%. Smoking weed can impair people as much as alcohol and they have no business on the road.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 11:50 am

I would imagine the test would only be done when there is probably cause, or when someone with enough money (i.e. an insurance company) has a vested interest in besmirching the character of the driver.

I was watching Real Time last night, and the main CO organizer said that DEA/DOJ has been leaving even their medical MJ alone due to their infrastructure/regulation, so he doesn't imagine this is any different.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 2:11 pm

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Well, it will still be illegal to drive while under the influence of drugs even when weed is legalized and I agree with that 100%. Smoking weed can impair people as much as alcohol and they have no business on the road.

I smoke before I drive anywhere 85% of the time. Makes me a better driver IMO, and I can see more clearly than if I don't smoke. Fuck glasses, pass me a pipe

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 2:35 pm

Yea I'm always lit. No matter what I'm doing.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 2:39 pm

Yep. In fact, it's about break time at work...

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 5:21 pm

I have always thought that weed makes me better at certain tasks, driving being one of them. It kind of gives you the Max Payne effect where everything seems to slow down a bit so you can focus on what you're doing. I actually suck at first person shooters unless I'm toasty. The only thing I have noticed that I'm worse at is sports. I can't ball when I'm high.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 5:24 pm

It's classified as a psychedelic primarily because the effects are subject to the observations of the user. A lot of athletes feel it's performance enhancing, a lot feel it makes competing impossible.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 5:57 pm

It can also be good for enhancing mental illness
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 6:06 pm

Or solving mental illness.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 6:23 pm

Relieving maybe, but solving I wouldn't think
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 6:30 pm

lol... do you have any idea what a broad term 'mental illness' is? Careful with sweeping generalizations.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 6:51 pm

If I smoke before I hoop, I need a break after the first play

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 7:07 pm

There is a lot of unfair negativity out there, perpetrated by vested interests against marijuana. Fortunately, we live in an age where people no longer swallow (all, but still a lot) of the misinfo put out there. People are like: "wow, marijuana is helpful for many illnesses, and much more benign than cigarettes and alcohol. Plus, it is naturally occurring, and it really is none of my business what someone does with a plant in there own home"
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 7:18 pm

I see no relevance to how broad the term is, i use it in context to use of this drug and what is commonly known and proven so im pretty sure you know what im talking of. I don't see the drug as having solved any mental illnesses, none, dont see it to be possible, unless you weren't quite serious about the word solve
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 7:24 pm

Are you familiar with the DSM-5 Loungin? Doesn't sound like it. Mental illness is a HUGELY broad term; for example, anxiety, and its various forms can be a type of mental illness, and marijuana certainly can "solve" that.

That is just one example. There are many more. Stating that marijuana enhances mental illness is wrong; arguing it doesn't "solve" any is equally wrong.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 7:49 pm

Pretty sure I said it CAN enhance it. Which is not wrong. I am of the opinion that it does not solve mental illnesses permanently. Not saying I am right, but that my opinion. Anxiety i think will only relieve or repress cos it still wont take away root causes of that anxiety. If they stopped using the drug seem likely some time after maybe soon or at some stage in life anxiety will likely come back. Yeah i know nothing of dsm5 Neva heard of it

It's a persons choice what thy wanna do to their body. I known some long term users who it's fucked up and some who are ok. one guy i know smoked daily for years and was still sharp as a tac. Majority of people i know tho it has affected. There can't be one thing that applies to all cos it affects people in different ways depending on a multitude of things but I think ppl need to know of possibilities of the effects it can have.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 7:50 pm

This is interesting, for starters...

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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 8:05 pm

For the record, I fully agree that it can exacerbate existing mental illness and even cause underlying problems to surface. But to say that a psychedelic drug, especially one that has been unavailable to the psychiatric research community, has zero potential to cure any mental illness is completely ignorant.


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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 8:54 pm

I just don't see it, in its current use as having cured a mental illness. Only relieved and repressed. Maybe science and research could bring forth a cure but I would think the drug would need to be manipulated.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sat 10 Nov 2012, 8:56 pm

That was an interesting article by the way
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 12:41 am

I wouldn't recommend driving under the influence of anything, however it works very very well for osteoarthritis and helping a person sleep. It's also good for muscle spasms associated with said ailment. I wonder what would happen if a person gets into an accident and is found with THC in their system, however they have a medical card. Would it be treated as a regular car accident, and let the auto insurance handle it, or would they still be subject to jail time? I'm very interested to see how they get everything all set up.

I know one thing, Colorado will get a CRAZY amount of traffic from across the country. And any bordering states who aren't legal or decriminalizing it will probably have checkpoints right at the border. The highway patrol will be waiting with baited breath so they can arrest people. I bet the airports in Colorado will get very strict with luggage, and Colorado will see a LOT of money. Hopefully they don't decide to raise the standard of living.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 12:48 am

Same deal as any script that warns not to operate heavy machinery. It's DWI, DWUI... something like that. They would need a confession or a very quick blood draw, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 2:21 am

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Same deal as any script that warns not to operate heavy machinery. It's DWI, DWUI... something like that. They would need a confession or a very quick blood draw, though.

Thanks for the insight, Parker. Are you from Cali or something?
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 2:40 am

Nah, and I'm honestly just making an educated guess that it would be treated the same as, say, a Vicodin prescription. As I said earlier, a friend killed an elderly woman in a traffic accident and failed a blood test. He was charged with vehicular manslaughter because the concentration of THC was evidence he was under the influence at the time. I've seen DUIs in the paper for people getting in accidents, cops find a pill bottle in the car...
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 3:27 am

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Nah, and I'm honestly just making an educated guess that it would be treated the same as, say, a Vicodin prescription. As I said earlier, a friend killed an elderly woman in a traffic accident and failed a blood test. He was charged with vehicular manslaughter because the concentration of THC was evidence he was under the influence at the time. I've seen DUIs in the paper for people getting in accidents, cops find a pill bottle in the car...

Okay, I see. I don't know anybody whose done such a thing under prescribed medication. I have never been in a car accident (car vs car), nor have I hit anybody, so I have no idea how all of that works, or how it might work with mj in the system. Thanks for clearing that up.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:07 am

Weed can alleviate symptoms, it doesn't cure anything/ Anxiety has underlying emotional and mental issues that need to be resolved. Smoking weed might make you forget that, but the underlying issues will still be there when your high wears off. Stabbing yourself in the face will make you forget a broken leg, but the leg is still broken.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:13 am

Wow then... a whole bunch of biochemists, MDs and psychiatrists are wasting their time studying and advocating for this. If they only knew what you 'know'...
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:35 am

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Wow then... a whole bunch of biochemists, MDs and psychiatrists are wasting their time studying and advocating for this. If they only knew what you 'know'...

No one in this world has a deep enough understanding of the biology of the human brain to effectively make any real correlation between weed or any other drug and mental illness. That's just fact. It's all a big guessing game.

If there were cures people wouldn't revert back to schizophrenia, bi polar disease, etc. when they went off their meds. Simple as that.

I'd love to see a study showing a correlation between weed and the cure of mental illness. You getting all touchy about it doesn't change the facts.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:38 am

Except you. You have a deep enough understanding of these things to make your correlation. Right?
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:47 am

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Except you. You have a deep enough understanding of these things to make your correlation. Right?

No studies?

Like I've said twice now, I have a deep enough understanding of what we do and don't know about the human brain and mental illness to know what limitations we have right now when it comes to making direct correlations between any drug and mental illness.

Any of those scientists and doctors doing studies would say the same thing. Not sure why you are getting so offended. Name one drug that has been shown to CURE a mental illness. We have 100s of drugs that can help with the symptoms and control them, but last time I checked none of the 100s of ads for them ever claim to cure them.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 4:54 am

I'm not getting offended. I'm also not sure exactly which statement of mine you're challenging.

It seems like you've imagined me making some claim that THC cures mental illness. I haven't. I say it's ignorant to claim that you know it can't. And it is, by your own estimation of how complex a subject we're dealing with.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 5:06 am

My point is that people are looking for ways to cure mental illness with marijuana. It seems like you and Lounge think they should just stop that nonsense.

If that's the case then we just have different views on science and medicine.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 5:07 am

You've claimed it can solve mental illness. If you have a different definition of solve, then so be it.

There's nothing ignorant about stating truth.

We, as a human race, are no where near the understanding and knowledge base necessary to say ANYTHING can CURE a mental illness. Even if weed was shown to alleviate all symptoms of a mental disorder, the science isn't there to be able to definitively say it has cured the disorder.


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And never have I said they should stop. But this claim that it can "cure" anything is pure hogwash. At best studies show it can alleviate some symptoms. If there was proof and science backing up marijuana as a curative drug for any mental illness that would be great.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 5:13 am

I believe it can be used to solve mental illness. That is exactly what I said.

So does a significant portion of the medical and scientific community. That's why they're studying it.

I definitely didn't mean that it's been established as a cure. I know it hasn't. I believe it can be. I can see how I was unclear.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 5:17 am

Check the link I posted if you haven't. The study it discusses shows potential for curing certain PTSD related anxieties. Curing.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:04 pm

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My point is that people are looking for ways to cure mental illness with marijuana. It seems like you and Lounge think they should just stop that nonsense.

If that's the case then we just have different views on science and medicine.

I never said anything should stop either. But maybe some businesses don't want cures for certain things y'know.. i reckon a lot of these drug companies are quite happy rolling around in the wealth they make from their industry of patch 'n fix.

Aside from that, my own belief goes beyond just the physical body, to an individuals spirit. If you are spiritually sick physical medicine is not going to heal that problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:07 pm

LSD, MDMA, psilocybin, DMT have all been found in clinical studies to have profound long-lasting impact on addiction, PTSD, and depression linked to chronic illness.

If you have any experience at all with these chemicals you know that they work deeply on the spiritual level.
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PostSubject: Re: Weed FULLY legalized in Washington and Colorado!   Sun 11 Nov 2012, 8:40 pm

I have no experience with those chemicals, but I know if not protected and your aura is weak and open to being attacked, which can happen through use of drugs, among other things, it can attract an unwanted presence, and once negative entities start bearing their influence on a person it means trouble.
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