Method Man vs. Eminem

Who ya got??

Em's got Meth.

I got Em. But its a close one especially taking into consideration Meth in his prime. On some rapping about rapping shit I think Meth would have had Marshall sweating heavily. Em takes the win mainly because he has more range with his song writing. Meth rarely stirs away from his comfort zone.

Em's got Meth by a hair right now, but if this were 1994, I'd have to say Meth.

Cosign on Em's wider range.

I basically agree with kev. Em just does a better job creating hip hop music if that makes any sense. If I was just sitting around with them, I'd prefer to listen meth just spit off the top of his dome. As Powell says, Meth is just a vicious natural spitter

Jack of Spades wrote:

Em's got Meth by a hair right now, but if this were 1994, I'd have to say Meth.

Cosign on Em's wider range.

If this were 1994, you would't know who Em is.

I'd rather listen to Method Man, but I uess Eminem is the more skilled emcee.

T. Myers wrote:

Jack of Spades wrote:

Em's got Meth by a hair right now, but if this were 1994, I'd have to say Meth.

Cosign on Em's wider range.

If this were 1994, you would't know who Em is.

I meant to say Meth in his prime.

Jack of Spades wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jack of Spades wrote:

Em's got Meth by a hair right now, but if this were 1994, I'd have to say Meth.

Cosign on Em's wider range.

If this were 1994, you would't know who Em is.

I meant to say Meth in his prime.

Lol, yeah I was just giving you shit.

I'm going to give it to Meth just because I like him better but Em is winning in terms of his overall catalog and ability to create more memorable material, but when it comes to outright spittin on the mic then Meth takes him IN MY OPINION and I enjoy Meth as an emcee much better than I do Em which is why I'm picking him here.....

36 chambers and tical I have to give it to meth

Eminem wins this matchup easily IMO. Meth can't see him at all as a solo artist.

D.Powell wrote:

I'm going to give it to Meth just because I like him better but Em is winning in terms of his overall catalog and ability to create more memorable material, but when it comes to outright spittin on the mic then Meth takes him IN MY OPINION and I enjoy Meth as an emcee much better than I do Em which is why I'm picking him here.....

good points. I would say Meth has more memorable material though when it comes to just pure verses and stuff, i always remember Meth's more. Eminem is better overall, its close though.

I got Em. He remains a hell of a lyricist even if his works are more commercial than his previous efforts, and I think Meth has lost a step from the golden era of the Wu.

Em easily... he gets consideration as one of the goats.. Meth doesn't...

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Em easily... he gets consideration as one of the goats.. Meth doesn't...

Agreed, the only guys in Wu that are on par with Em are GZA and Ghost.

GZA can match him lyrically, and Ghost can match him discog wise.

KJ Styles wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Em easily... he gets consideration as one of the goats.. Meth doesn't...

Agreed, the only guys in Wu that are on par with Em are GZA and Ghost.

GZA can match him lyrically, and Ghost can match him discog wise.

I don't think Gza can match Em lyrically but thats just me. And Ghost can match Em more than just discog wise. I'll say delivery, rhyme style, and charisma wise Ghost can match Em pretty well.

TicNitty706 wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Em easily... he gets consideration as one of the goats.. Meth doesn't...

Agreed, the only guys in Wu that are on par with Em are GZA and Ghost.

GZA can match him lyrically, and Ghost can match him discog wise.

I don't think Gza can match Em lyrically but thats just me. And Ghost can match Em more than just discog wise. I'll say delivery, rhyme style, and charisma wise Ghost can match Em pretty well.

I'd take Liquid Swords over any Em album personally, and I'd say Grandmasters is better than anything post-MMLP. Line for line GZA is a beast. I agree with most of what you said about Ghost except I like Em's delivery a little better.

I think Em's flow is incredible but so is Meth's.....the voice is tied as well....lyrically I think Meth is ahead of Eminem there...catalog wise Em is killing Meth...so that's the main reason why I would think that anyone would put Eminem over Meth....the recent things I've heard from Meth which include Wu-Massacre and Blackout 2 showed me that Meth can still spit effectively even if neither one of those efforts are 5 stars.....again IN MY OPINION!

Eminem maybe on more heads GOAT lists but so is Jay-Z or Biggie as an example (both of them are on my GOAT list as well by the way) but that doesn't mean that a bunch of other heads don't have people like Black Thought or Andre 3000 ahead of them, so that argument is null and void IN MY OPINION......shit all of this is opinion based anyway...lol

As others have said on this thread, Meth in the mid-90's would be on par with Em but now he's not even close. The guy just phones it in too often for him to be considered as dope as Em IMO. Lyrically Em is one of the best MC's of all time and even on his phoned in efforts (save for Encore) he still outdoes most MC's, the same cannot be said for Meth. I do think Meth is a great lyricist and has a dope flow but he doesn't put maximum effort into his work most of the time and that irritates me about him. I'd take Redman over Meth as well by a pretty large margin.

I think Em in his prime would murder Meth in his prime on all fronts.

Blackout 2 is very very average....maybe only slightly better than Recovery

Slang Editorial wrote:

Blackout 2 is very very average....maybe only slightly better than Recovery

I agree with that....but I don't think that's because of Meth....I think the production held down that effort big time!

Slang Editorial wrote:

Blackout 2 is very very average....maybe only slightly better than Recovery

Thats just some dumb shit.

Recovery is wayyyy better than Blackout 2

Slang Editorial wrote:

Blackout 2 is very very average....maybe only slightly better than Recovery

I almost want to co-sign this lol but can't, but I will say this...

'Dis Iz 4 All My Smokers' & 'Four Minutes to Lockdown' >>>>>>>>>>>> any given song on Recovery

Meth all the way. He made wack albums but never switched up his style

Dang! Trotter wrote:

Meth all the way. He made wack albums but never switched up his style

So churning out bad product and not evolving makes him better?

thelundquist wrote:

Dang! Trotter wrote:

Meth all the way. He made wack albums but never switched up his style

So churning out bad product and not evolving makes him better?

That's an interesting comment, because in my opinion Em was a great rapper when he had that SSLP/MMLP style. Once he switched up around Relapse/Recovery he started making wack albums. So neither artist has evolved. Both have churned out bad product.

I don't even look at their bad product, I just feel:

SSLP, MMLP, Eminem Show>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tical and 4/21

and its not even close...even counting Meth's best work with Wu doesn't make it a contest.

Yeah, but when it comes right down to it, Meth wins because How High >>>>>>> 8 Mile.

Alan wrote:

Yeah, but when it comes right down to it, Meth wins because How High >>>>>>> 8 Mile.

The Wire, Seasons 2-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How High

Half wrote:

thelundquist wrote:

Dang! Trotter wrote:

Meth all the way. He made wack albums but never switched up his style

So churning out bad product and not evolving makes him better?

That's an interesting comment, because in my opinion Em was a great rapper when he had that SSLP/MMLP style. Once he switched up around Relapse/Recovery he started making wack albums. So neither artist has evolved. Both have churned out bad product.

Eminem's style is different on every album he has put out. Mainly because he is always reacting to his critics. Like for example on SSLP he was totally being himself, but then on MMLP he took on a more aggressive style and slightly more serious tone because of his anger towards critics and his realization that fame is a double-edged sword.

After the MMLP critics were saying when was he going to grow up, so On Eminem Show he tried to get more serious and mature and political, but the critics reacted with"Who does Em think he is?Why is he being serious? We want to hear fart jokes, celebrity bashing, and murder fantasies!" He returned with the Slim Shady persona on hyper-drive for Encore. That plus the drugs made for his only bad (horrible) album IMO.

After the hiatus and cleaning up, he returned with yet another new style (partly because he was uncomfortable with his sober voice) on Relapse, which was, and still is, his most lyrically precise (though not best overall) record to date imo.

He took a lot of flak for Relapse, and it didn't set the world on fire like his other works, so he switched-up again for Recovery to try to appeal to a larger audience and get back on top of; not only the rap game, but the entire music industry, and all of pop culture; which he did. With that said I'm not a fan of Recovery to its overt poppiness.

Em, partly because of his own insecurities and partly for his desire to stay in the forefront of rap, has rolled with the punches, and changed his style (though not always for the better) to stay relevant and be a force in music.

Method Man (who is one of my favorite MCs of all time) has been putting out virtually the same material for almost two decades with declining skills (though I do think his verses on OB4CL2 are some of the best I've ever heard him spit). He is still well respected in hip-hop (and should be) but is completely overlooked by the masses.

So that's my argument. Em is better.

Half wrote:

Alan wrote:

Yeah, but when it comes right down to it, Meth wins because How High >>>>>>> 8 Mile.

The Wire, Seasons 2-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How High

How exactly does this relate, Half? I laid out stone cold facts in the post above....

Alan wrote:

Half wrote:

Alan wrote:

Yeah, but when it comes right down to it, Meth wins because How High >>>>>>> 8 Mile.

The Wire, Seasons 2-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How High

How exactly does this relate, Half? I laid out stone cold facts in the post above....

Meth was a character in those seasons

thelundquist wrote:

Half wrote:

thelundquist wrote:

Dang! Trotter wrote:

Meth all the way. He made wack albums but never switched up his style

So churning out bad product and not evolving makes him better?

That's an interesting comment, because in my opinion Em was a great rapper when he had that SSLP/MMLP style. Once he switched up around Relapse/Recovery he started making wack albums. So neither artist has evolved. Both have churned out bad product.

Eminem's style is different on every album he has put out. Mainly because he is always reacting to his critics. Like for example on SSLP he was totally being himself, but then on MMLP he took on a more aggressive style and slightly more serious tone because of his anger towards critics and his realization that fame is a double-edged sword.

After the MMLP critics were saying when was he going to grow up, so On Eminem Show he tried to get more serious and mature and political, but the critics reacted with"Who does Em think he is?Why is he being serious? We want to hear fart jokes, celebrity bashing, and murder fantasies!" He returned with the Slim Shady persona on hyper-drive for Encore. That plus the drugs made for his only bad (horrible) album IMO.

After the hiatus and cleaning up, he returned with yet another new style (partly because he was uncomfortable with his sober voice) on Relapse, which was, and still is, his most lyrically precise (though not best overall) record to date imo.

He took a lot of flak for Relapse, and it didn't set the world on fire like his other works, so he switched-up again for Recovery to try to appeal to a larger audience and get back on top of; not only the rap game, but the entire music industry, and all of pop culture; which he did. With that said I'm not a fan of Recovery to its overt poppiness.

Em, partly because of his own insecurities and partly for his desire to stay in the forefront of rap, has rolled with the punches, and changed his style (though not always for the better) to stay relevant and be a force in music.

Method Man (who is one of my favorite MCs of all time) has been putting out virtually the same material for almost two decades with declining skills (though I do think his verses on OB4CL2 are some of the best I've ever heard him spit). He is still well respected in hip-hop (and should be) but is completely overlooked by the masses.

So that's my argument. Em is better.

I agree with a lot of your argument, particularly the Em is better part. I have always considered his SSLP/MMLP/TES styles to be pretty similar....while Relapse and Recovery are quite different from each other and the aforementioned first 3 LPs style.

Half wrote:

Alan wrote:

Half wrote:

Alan wrote:

Yeah, but when it comes right down to it, Meth wins because How High >>>>>>> 8 Mile.

The Wire, Seasons 2-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How High

How exactly does this relate, Half? I laid out stone cold facts in the post above....

Meth was a character in those seasons

Damn. I guess I should've guessed. More sweet ammo for Meth.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

I don't even look at their bad product, I just feel:

SSLP, MMLP, Eminem Show>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tical and 4/21

and its not even close...even counting Meth's best work with Wu doesn't make it a contest.

I'd take Tical over Eminem Show, but not over SSLP or MMLP.

Damn, I just got back from driving my mom's van to Taco Bell jamming MMLP on cassette (my car's in the shop, she doesn't have a cd player... fuck you lol), and even though it was the 3076941514th time I've heard it, I still can't still help but to get hyped the FUCK up and be completely blown away by Sticky Fingaz verse on "Remember Me?".

...I know this is completely off-topic, but I didn't feel like making a new topic for it lol.

This thread just gave me an idea!!!

id take Tical over MMLP, probably not SSLP though