100 Greastest Nominee Day 22

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The GZA

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 8:05 am

Top 50. Ghost and GZA are the only two from the Wu that would make my 50 as solo artists

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I don't see it and will explain later....

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Top 100 for me.

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Yeah he's BARELY top 100 IMO.

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Maybe you just don't get the subject matter Kev.

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Steve wrote:: Maybe you just don't get the subject matter Kev.

LOL...I get it but his delivery is so fucking boring to me without stellar production. IMO he only has one classic album and Pro Tools and Grandmasters are the only other ones I can play all the way through. Kinda like Willie D not being repped by himself because Geto Boys count for him enough is the same way I see Gza. I know he is a pure lyricists and word for word he is a beast so I have no prb with him making the list just not on my vote.

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Really? I view Legend of the Liquid Swords as his only weak spot. I still give that around 3.5/5 or so. Liquid Swords is obviously classic, and Beneath the Surface, Grandmasters, Pro Tools are all 4+ stars.

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But you are a fan of Gza i'm assuming so of course you see it that way. But Pro Tools and Liquid Swords are his best imo.

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Pro Tools SUCKS.

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LOL nero...he's no YUG but he tries...LOL

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 10:17 am

He's got a classic, some very good albums. Of course he's got his work with Wu-Tang. He's one of the greatest lyricists in Hip-Hop history. Top 50.

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NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE steve. But does anyone get why MAYBE I'd think pro tools is straight garbage? Seriously? No hooks and dense beats? Not my thing, man. And the best song on his classic isn't even BY HIM. C'mon ya'll...

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Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 10:19 am

"He's got a classic, some very good albums. Of course he's got his work with Wu-Tang. He's one of the greatest lyricists in Hip-Hop history. Top 50."

Bam!

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 10:20 am

"Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?"

Just for the record, I voted Ice T, Slick Rick, and Lyte top 50, and the other two top 100

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KRob86 wrote:: Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?

Slick Rick had jail get him, and most people on this forum are too young to remember him, but I voted him top 50. Snoop, Ice T and Busta Rhymes don't come close to matching GZA's consistency, and GZA never sold out hip-hop like they did. Heavy D has no classics, he's jsut overall steady, whereas GZA has classics as a group and solo....and Lyte is a chick, no femcee is even worth listening to IMO, and it seems like most feel that way.

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Gza never sold out? That's debatable. Both Gza AND KP have had albums with beats that sounded like top 40 stuff even if their lyrics weren't. Gza had a Scott Storch beat for christ's sake.

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you're just nit-picking nero so imma ignore it, but if you try comparing gza to snoop or ice-t or busta in terms of selling out...well, that's your loss.

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No no no I'm not saying it was that bad at all. Sorry if it came out that way. I'll fully admit I was nitpicking.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 10:48 am

Having one Scott Storch beat isn't really selling out... is it?

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 10:54 am

KRob86 wrote:: Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?

Kev, were you holding up a mirror when you typed that? You're telling folks that their votes look crazy...maybe it ain't everyone else? Maybe if GZA were more gangsta or "real" (whatever that means) would he get more love around here...not saying you specifically, but folks seem to cream themselves over that sort of thing around here.

Anyway, I voted neither. Maybe the entire group gets in, but I can only think of one member that deserves to be top 100 (RZA) on the solo tip and he's not even the best emcee in the group...he'd be more of an impact pick because he single handedly changed the way hip hop sounded back in '93. The rest owe part of their status to him...

So, it's a "no" for me...

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Method man, MAYBE.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 11:08 am

Ghost wouldn't make it, Norf??

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KRob86 wrote:: Pro Tools and Liquid Swords are his best imo.

Cosign. I thought Pro Tools was great. 4 solid stars IMO.

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KRob86 wrote:: Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?

I still can't believe Ice-T & Heavy D didn't make top 50.

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ICE-T! You complain about Too $hort but not Ice-T? LMAO!

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 11:29 am

Shon wrote:: Ghost wouldn't make it, Norf??

Not in my book, no. And he's my favorite member of the Wu. Sure, his musical output is top notch, but folks make these discussions about other things for some reasons. So, when you factor in the "other things" (*cough* outside bullshit that doesn't matter whatsoever when speaking on the MUSIC *cough*), he doesn't make it, unfortunately...

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Steve wrote:: ICE-T! You complain about Too $hort but not Ice-T? LMAO!

I like Ice-T more. Quite a bit more in fact. Dude has 3 bona fide classics that still get steady spins years later. With Short, I bump "Life Is..." still, but not many others on a consistent basis.

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I don't get your line of thought on this norm...you think there are 100 rappers better than GFK?

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 11:34 am

Steve wrote:: I don't get your line of thought on this norm...you think there are 100 rappers better than GFK?

Nope. Like I said...outside bullshit...

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I'm not following you. You dislike his actions outside of music?

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I think that's what he's saying.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 11:38 am

i voted Ice T and Slick Rick top 50 i cant believe they didnt make it...

but Gza is top 50 one of the best lyricicts ever...and btw Beneath the Surface is by far his second best album

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Kopasetick wrote:

Shon wrote:: Ghost wouldn't make it, Norf??

Not in my book, no. And he's my favorite member of the Wu. Sure, his musical output is top notch, but folks make these discussions about other things for some reasons. So, when you factor in the "other things" (*cough* outside bullshit that doesn't matter whatsoever when speaking on the MUSIC *cough*), he doesn't make it, unfortunately...

Now I'm confused. I thought we were supposed to give our personal take on these discussions/polls. Isn't that the point? Is that considered "outside bullshit"?

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 11:39 am

GZA is top 50 for me(personally he's top 10).

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Kopasetick wrote:

KRob86 wrote:: Just to expose the semi bias of this forum I feel gza is no way in hell top 50 if Snoop, Ice T, Busta Rhymes, Slick Rick, Heavy D, and Lyte are not. No one see's how crazy this looks?

Kev, were you holding up a mirror when you typed that? You're telling folks that their votes look crazy...maybe it ain't everyone else? Maybe if GZA were more gangsta or "real" (whatever that means) would he get more love around here...not saying you specifically, but folks seem to cream themselves over that sort of thing around here.

Yeah I know it works both ways but Gza not being a "gangsta" rapper has nothing to do with it. Snoop, Lyte, Ice-t, Slick Rick, and Short all had more impact on rap than Gza. It's just fuckin crazy to me how he's top 50.

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lol, so this is a measure of impact now, not skill as a rapper? that means stop doing anybdoy who debuted after 1994 man. or anybdoy who made good music after then too.

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Steve wrote:: lol, so this is a measure of impact now, not skill as a rapper? that means stop doing anybdoy who debuted after 1994 man. or anybdoy who made good music after then too.

Steve sometimes I wonder about how you read into things, there are numerous ways a person could be top 100 and YES impact is a factor so is skill.

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Impact is debatable, and in every other measure GZA gets all of them, consistency, lyrical skill, "realness" (for u buddy), everything...you may be bored because he's not gangsta i suppose. then again you think willie d and GZA are comparable...LMAO!

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 12:26 pm

GZA's impact is hard to gauge, but he deserves some credit for the Wu phenomenon. Make no mistake about it. RZA is the one who deserves most of the credit, but at the time their debut came out, there were only 3 or 4 of the 9 members to really stand out. It could be argued that GZA was the center piece for that album.

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I can see why someone would say GZA's flow is boring. I've found myself bored with it as well. If it weren't for RZA, we probably wouldn't even be talking about him (let alone the rest of the Wu Tang).

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pounds of all people calling someone boring, the king of minnesota rappers!

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T. Myers wrote:: GZA's impact is hard to gauge, but he deserves some credit for the Wu phenomenon. Make no mistake about it. RZA is the one who deserves most of the credit, but at the time their debut came out, there were only 3 or 4 of the 9 members to really stand out. It could be argued that GZA was the center piece for that album.

Thanks for making sense Terry! I agree with that statement and that is why I think the Wu Tang being top 50 embodies his contributions more than solo wise. That is the only reason I compared him to Willie D. Willie D was the leader to say of the Geto Boys at first and on their 1st album Grip It he was the stand out and the backbone like Gza was for 36 Chambers. Like Gza got outshined by Meth, Ghost, and Rae same happened to Willie D so that hurts his solo standing as top 100.

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Steve wrote:: pounds of all people calling someone boring, the king of minnesota rappers!

To each there own.

As for the topic, I like GZA. I said I can see why somebody else would find his flow boring, because I can objectively see why. Kev had it nailed right. He needs the right production, which he has gotten enough of for me to spin his material quite a bit - hence the top 100 vote.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 12:49 pm

I find it funny that Pounds is going to say GZA needs the right production to shine, and that is why he is just top 100. Then he will turn around and say CL Smooth is one of his GOAT's. Hypocrisy!!!!!!! LOL!

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T. Myers wrote:: I find it funny that Pounds is going to say GZA needs the right production to shine, and that is why he is just top 100. Then he will turn around and say CL Smooth is one of his GOAT's. Hypocrisy!!!!!!! LOL!

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I don't get it. CL Smooth is in my top 5. His solo album "American Me" is also a 5 star classic in my eyes...which only has one Pete Rock produced cut.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 12:54 pm

Kev, I personally don't see GZA being outshined by the other members with the exception of Meth on 8 Diagrams. GZA never had his crown taken from him like Face took the crown from Willie D. I've been listening to a lot of Willie D over the weekend, and i just don't see "greatness" as a solo artist. Maybe i just missed the boat on that one.

Subject: Re: 100 Greastest Nominee Day 22 Mon 11 May 2009, 12:58 pm

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

T. Myers wrote:: I find it funny that Pounds is going to say GZA needs the right production to shine, and that is why he is just top 100. Then he will turn around and say CL Smooth is one of his GOAT's. Hypocrisy!!!!!!! LOL!

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I don't get it. CL Smooth is in my top 5. His solo album "American Me" is also a 5 star classic in my eyes...which only has one Pete Rock produced cut.

How can you not get? American Me is not that good. Let's try this. Remove Pete Rock and RZA from the equation, and GZA will brutalize CL Smooth.

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T. Myers wrote:

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

T. Myers wrote:: I find it funny that Pounds is going to say GZA needs the right production to shine, and that is why he is just top 100. Then he will turn around and say CL Smooth is one of his GOAT's. Hypocrisy!!!!!!! LOL!

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I don't get it. CL Smooth is in my top 5. His solo album "American Me" is also a 5 star classic in my eyes...which only has one Pete Rock produced cut.

How can you not get? American Me is not that good.

American Me is fantastic IMO. I've spun it a good 30 times and I never skip a track. It never gets old with me. Easily 5 stars to me anyway.