Is this forum too soft? Do they represent hip-hop?

The ATCQs, the Lupe's, etc., etc. Is that the PE? The Pac's? The Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas's? I think this forum likes flower power garbage too much.

PE, Pac and Big aren't making music anymore. I understand the relevance of the past, but the past has its place, and it would be a waste of time to worry about that, cause there is no new music there. And to be totally honest, I would much rather a new Lupe cd then a new Nas, or Jay-Z cd. Lupe will never record an illmatic, but nas never will again either.

And flower power garbage? Jay-z did an album with r.kelly. Nas's hip hop is dead has more radio ready tracks then any lupe cd.

Just cause guys aren't attacking the mic like Chuck D, doesn't mean it is any less hip hop. I feel like that style has gotten a little tired. I can't listen to krs anymore. You need the lyricism and all that, but you also need the delivery and beat to flow together. Chuck D was yelling over the beat, the people you think are flower power garbage ride with the beat. They are not soft, they are musical

Say the "L" word and shit hits the fan. LMAO

Sensitivity indeed...

Booerns, obviously you haven't heard much Chuck if you think he just yells over beats. Go listen to "Black Steel..."

I mean its not yelling over the beat, but just the way he attacks the beat does not quite make as good a song to me. Like PE will have dope beats and Chuck D killing it, but it just doesn't sound like they mesh together, is all I was saying. And I am a big fan of Chuck D and PE, but all i was arguing was that what he thinks is soft, i think is musical.

All jazzy rap isn't flower power shit. I love ATCQ as much as I do PE or Wu Tang.

ATCQ has three classics and another near classic. De La Soul has anywhere between 2-4 classics. The Roots, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Digable Planets, they have all delivered dope shit over the years.

Fuck that stereotypical bullshit, dope music is dope music. Lupe and Little Brother are dope to me. People accuse me of not having a diverse rap taste, yet all I see in here are people stereotyping hip hop constantly. If anything, my taste is more diverse than 90% of the people in here being that I dig different styles.

While I don't agree with most of booerns sentiments above, I agree with him saying "what you think is soft I think is musical". Different styles are part of what makes hip-hop such a great and unique genre.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

All jazzy rap isn't flower power shit. I love ATCQ as much as I do PE or Wu Tang.

ATCQ has three classics and another near classic. De La Soul has anywhere between 2-4 classics. The Roots, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Digable Planets, they have all delivered dope shit over the years.

Fuck that stereotypical bullshit, dope music is dope music. Lupe and Little Brother are dope to me. People accuse me of not having a diverse rap taste, yet all I see in here are people stereotyping hip hop constantly. If anything, my taste is more diverse than 90% of the people in here being that I dig different styles.

While I don't agree with most of booerns sentiments above, I agree with him saying "what you think is soft I think is musical". Different styles are part of what makes hip-hop such a great and unique genre.

I agree...somewhat. There are a lot of folks that try music just so they can say they tried it. Obscure, different or unheard doesn't necessarily equal good. Hell, half the time it's obscure and unheard for a reason.

That said, diversity is good. Some of these goofballs do tend to pigeonhole. Don't know about 90% though...

Aang wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

All jazzy rap isn't flower power shit. I love ATCQ as much as I do PE or Wu Tang.

ATCQ has three classics and another near classic. De La Soul has anywhere between 2-4 classics. The Roots, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Digable Planets, they have all delivered dope shit over the years.

Fuck that stereotypical bullshit, dope music is dope music. Lupe and Little Brother are dope to me. People accuse me of not having a diverse rap taste, yet all I see in here are people stereotyping hip hop constantly. If anything, my taste is more diverse than 90% of the people in here being that I dig different styles.

While I don't agree with most of booerns sentiments above, I agree with him saying "what you think is soft I think is musical". Different styles are part of what makes hip-hop such a great and unique genre.

I agree...somewhat. There are a lot of folks that try music just so they can say they tried it. Obscure, different or unheard doesn't necessarily equal good. Hell, half the time it's obscure and unheard for a reason.

That said, diversity is good. Some of these goofballs do tend to pigeonhole. Don't know about 90% though...

Yeah, that 90% shit is hilarious. Powell, Trotter, Parker and Tran are all more diverse than KJ.

Steve wrote:

The ATCQs, the Lupe's, etc., etc. Is that the PE? The Pac's? The Biggie, Jay-Z, and Nas's? I think this forum likes flower power garbage too much.

Same reason people listened to psychedelia in the 60s. Hippies; and lots of them.

Question: Arrested Development was on some pro black/political//flower power/hippie movement. Where do they fit in?

No, I mean people don't like gangsta shit here. People love to hate on it, when it's one of the main pillars of hip-hop, and it's what brought it into the mainstream (for better or worse)

Well, it's true that I rarely hear new gangsta rap that I like, though I still listen to classic gangsta rap. But, I also rarely hear new stuff in the NY Boom-Bap or Native Tongue style Jazz-Rap mold that I like either, and two of my favorite albums from this year are from Freeway and Big Boi, who I wouldn't call "flower power" Hip-Hop, so I don't know, I think mostly I find those styles generally tired, with few people innovating within them.

But anyway, even if this forum does like "flower power" stuff more, I'd object to the "too soft" or "too much" parts of your statement, and especially the question of whether that represents Hip-Hop, because I just find that thinking too narrow, it sort of normalizes gangsta rap as what Hip-Hop is, and that's just not the case, it's one among many things that Hip-Hop is.

SRP, krob and yourself, Steve, all rep that gangsta music...plus throw in Yogi and romped. A lot of us like some mixed in...only a few really avoid it all together. And, we need those folks for that balance, too.

Cornholio wrote:

Yeah, that 90% shit is hilarious. Powell, Trotter, Parker and Tran are all more diverse than KJ.

Give examples of all that you fucking colostomy bag!

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Cornholio wrote:

Yeah, that 90% shit is hilarious. Powell, Trotter, Parker and Tran are all more diverse than KJ.

Give examples of all that you fucking colostomy bag!

Powell likes that 80s shit you just pretend to know about.

Trotter knows about the underground than you ever evvvvver evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver will.

And tran is just way more all around diverse than you.

Cornholio wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Cornholio wrote:

Yeah, that 90% shit is hilarious. Powell, Trotter, Parker and Tran are all more diverse than KJ.

Give examples of all that you fucking colostomy bag!

Powell likes that 80s shit you just pretend to know about.

Trotter knows about the underground than you ever evvvvver evvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvver will.

And tran is just way more all around diverse than you.

All you do is accuse me of shit. You don't know me personally, nor do you know my personal life. Have you been to my crib? No! So how the fuck are you gonna tell me what I do and don't own? Or what I do and don't know about?

All you do is make false accusations. You should write for the tabloids or something. You talk all this shit behind a computer screen because you're a fucking pussy. I bet if we were face to face, you wouldn't say half that shit because you know I'd beat your ass to a bloody pulp. Be fortunate that I don't live in Iowa.

You two need to cool it the fuck out... threatening someone with physical violence on the internet is fucking bullshit. Picking at KJ over and over for the same shit is bullshit.

Let this shit go everyone involved, nobody wants to post in a thread where you two are going back and forth like children.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

You two need to cool it the fuck out... threatening someone with physical violence on the internet is fucking bullshit. Picking at KJ over and over for the same shit is bullshit.

Let this shit go everyone involved, nobody wants to post in a thread where you two are going back and forth like children.

Agreed. Entertainment value aside, SRP and some other cats are trying to make this place all respectable n stuff, so chill from '10 till

Fags

Yeah you guys...so immature.

hahahahahahaha, KJ called N3R0 a colostomy bag

Just to be clear - if anyone wants to argue about SOMETHING... feel free to do so... scream at each other about whether Soulja Boy or Vanilla Ice is the better rapper... etc... but keep it to the convo. Don't troll over multiple threads arguing over shit not related to the thread. If you really want to go at it - make your own thread in the off topic section.