GOAT Day 3: Biggie vs. Big L (Bracket 2)

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Biggie

Biggie wins in a complete blowout.

Big L

Christopher Wallace was the King Of New York, which made him the king of hip-hop from 1994-1997, hence he wins.

Going with who I'd prefer to listen to, and that's Big L. I know he'll lose, but whatever.

Biggie

Biggie in a BLOWOUT

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Christopher Wallace was the King Of New York, which made him the king of hip-hop from 1994-1997, hence he wins.

Considering New York was not the king of hip-hop from 1994 to 1997, you would be incorrect. Big L in a blow out.

Big L wins for me.

biggie smalls..

a good match up i think, both lives were taken too early..

Grand Moff Myestro wrote:

Going with who I'd prefer to listen to, and that's Big L. I know he'll lose, but whatever.

i spin Big L stuff way more often than Biggie, and they both have close to the same amount of material, Big L

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Christopher Wallace was the King Of New York, which made him the king of hip-hop from 1994-1997, hence he wins.

Considering New York was not the king of hip-hop from 1994 to 1997, you would be incorrect. Big L in a blow out.

YES THEY WERE!!! Look at the albums that came out during that time span and it's EASY TO SEE that NY was the King Of Hip Hop. Hell, NY is the all time king of hip-hop. The West went downhill when Dre left Death Row.

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

I kind of cosign with this.

Wayne wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

I kind of cosign with this.

Chronic and Doggystyle came out in 1992 and 1993.

Pac only released two albums with Death Row. That output DOES NOT outdo albums like......

Illmatic
36 Chambers
Ready To Die
Liquid Swords
OB4CL
The Score
The Infamous
Hell On Earth
Reasonable Doubt
The Sun Rises In The East
Illadelph Halflife
Do You Want More
Hard To Earn
Muddy Waters
KRS-One
Doe Or Die
Ironman

There's many more but I'll stop there....

You might not like all the albums I listed, but the fact remains that the West wasn't putting out nearly as much quality as the East was during that time period, or throughout the rest of the decade for that matter.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

I kind of cosign with this.

Chronic and Doggystyle came out in 1992 and 1993.

Pac only released two albums with Death Row. That output DOES NOT outdo albums like......

Illmatic
36 Chambers
Ready To Die
Liquid Swords
OB4CL
The Score
The Infamous
Hell On Earth
Reasonable Doubt
The Sun Rises In The East
Illadelph Halflife
Do You Want More
Hard To Earn
Muddy Waters
KRS-One
Doe Or Die
Ironman

There's many more but I'll stop there....

You might not like all the albums I listed, but the fact remains that the West wasn't putting out nearly as much quality as the East was during that time period, or throughout the rest of the decade for that matter.

I see your points, and being an East Coast head, I was there during the East Coast Renaissance (circa 93-96), but overall, Death Row was a force to be reckoned with in the 90s.

Wayne wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

I kind of cosign with this.

Chronic and Doggystyle came out in 1992 and 1993.

Pac only released two albums with Death Row. That output DOES NOT outdo albums like......

Illmatic
36 Chambers
Ready To Die
Liquid Swords
OB4CL
The Score
The Infamous
Hell On Earth
Reasonable Doubt
The Sun Rises In The East
Illadelph Halflife
Do You Want More
Hard To Earn
Muddy Waters
KRS-One
Doe Or Die
Ironman

There's many more but I'll stop there....

You might not like all the albums I listed, but the fact remains that the West wasn't putting out nearly as much quality as the East was during that time period, or throughout the rest of the decade for that matter.

I see your points, and being an East Coast head, I was there during the East Coast Renaissance (circa 93-96), but overall, Death Row was a force to be reckoned with in the 90s.

But Death Row only released a few great albums before their demise, so if they carried the West Coast then that's not enough to give them the overall edge against the East.

If we were talking 90-93 then I'd be inclined to agree, but after that the East was in the house....OH MY GOD, DANGER!!!

I made a truce with SRP so I'll be civil in my argument, but he's clearly showing bias. Then again, the East was never on top to him at any point despite the fact that the critical acclaim and stats say otherwise. That's pure bias.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

IMO Death Row and the west coast ruled the game from Doggystyle and Chronic through the death of 2pac.

I kind of cosign with this.

Chronic and Doggystyle came out in 1992 and 1993.

Pac only released two albums with Death Row. That output DOES NOT outdo albums like......

Illmatic
36 Chambers
Ready To Die
Liquid Swords
OB4CL
The Score
The Infamous
Hell On Earth
Reasonable Doubt
The Sun Rises In The East
Illadelph Halflife
Do You Want More
Hard To Earn
Muddy Waters
KRS-One
Doe Or Die
Ironman

There's many more but I'll stop there....

You might not like all the albums I listed, but the fact remains that the West wasn't putting out nearly as much quality as the East was during that time period, or throughout the rest of the decade for that matter.

I see your points, and being an East Coast head, I was there during the East Coast Renaissance (circa 93-96), but overall, Death Row was a force to be reckoned with in the 90s.

But Death Row only released a few great albums before their demise, so if they carried the West Coast then that's not enough to give them the overall edge against the East.

If we were talking 90-93 then I'd be inclined to agree, but after that the East was in the house....OH MY GOD, DANGER!!!

I made a truce with SRP so I'll be civil in my argument, but he's clearly showing bias. Then again, the East was never on top to him at any point despite the fact that the critical acclaim and stats say otherwise. That's pure bias.

I wasn't giving them the edge, I'm just saying.

Big L

Whoa KJ step your west coast game up. Deathrow was only the tip of the ice berg. They opened the gates for many west coast artist that was smashing the game in that era. No one was biting NY style like they were the west coast. Even the east coast started biting the west coast gangsta style. Mc Lyte, Big Daddy Kane, Queen Latifah, Run Dmc, and many others started dropping all these hardcore albums & songs after the west was so successful with that gangsta shit.

Let's look at some this west coast shit that Deathrow opened the door for:

South Central Cartel
Quik
Spice 1
Mc Eiht
Kam
Warren G
Twinz
Conscious Daugthers
Paris
Above The Law
E-40
Too Short
Mack 10
Cube
WC

I mean please try to deny the impact any of them made in the early-mid 90's. They were selling records and getting plenty of radio play. The west coast was the go to coast for a minute.

And the fact Big L is only one vote behind Big truly shows the underground favortism of this forum. I respect most of you guys votes and I am glad this is not predictable. But Big L could not fuck with Biggie. Big L does not even have a concensus classic album nor is he even mentioned on many GOAT list. He has no concensus classic songs or anything. So bite me...lol.

I thought we were comparing mc's on the mic, not output.

Half wrote:

I thought we were comparing mc's on the mic, not output.

We are comparing what ever we feel other than sales, mass appeal, and money. But mic skills should be at the fore front. Even then Biggie is far ahead of him imo. Big L may have the betta punchlines but word play, flow, and subject matter wise its a wrap.

I'm showing just as much bias as you are KJ.

I said Death Row AND the west coast. When you count in albums from Tha Dogg Pound, Spice 1, DJ Quik, MC Eiht, King T, Alkoholiks, etc. etc. - the west and the east stood pretty evenly during those years - but the facts are KJ that everyone on all coast was repping west coast and Death Row to the fullest during those years.

There would have been no West/East beef were it not for the public perception that the West was overshadowing the East - there is no bias there, just facts, NYC was not on top during that time in the public's eye.

KRob86 wrote:

Half wrote:

I thought we were comparing mc's on the mic, not output.

We are comparing what ever we feel other than sales, mass appeal, and money. But mic skills should be at the fore front. Even then Biggie is far ahead of him imo. Big L may have the betta punchlines but word play, flow, and subject matter wise its a wrap.

Ok thanks for clarifying. As far as mic skills are concerned I prefer Big L though.

Half wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Half wrote:

I thought we were comparing mc's on the mic, not output.

We are comparing what ever we feel other than sales, mass appeal, and money. But mic skills should be at the fore front. Even then Biggie is far ahead of him imo. Big L may have the betta punchlines but word play, flow, and subject matter wise its a wrap.

Ok thanks for clarifying. As far as mic skills are concerned I prefer Big L though.

i agree, when Big L wanted to tell stories, i really dont think anyone came close to him, dude could do what he wanted with the mic almost like rapping was a joke to him since it came so easy. Yes, L was that good.

and also Kev maybe its not the underground bias of this forum, maybe people that have actually listened to both prefer L more, you ever think about that. Most people that say Biggie are people who arent well versed in hip hop or Big L. Not saying L would win consensussly but that says something that among well-versed hip hop heads he is only one vote away

Big L could not fuck with Biggie in any way, shape or form....not lyrically...not album creation, not flow, NOTHING, it doesn't matter IMO what this forum says...I told Kev before to put K-Rino at number one....Slaine and GZA belong in the top 3 seeds....Mac Dre and Andre Nickatina in the top 5 seeds as well.....and you're good by this group...then you've got a real battle to discuss.....lol...funny shit mane!

Slang Editorial wrote:

Half wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Half wrote:

I thought we were comparing mc's on the mic, not output.

We are comparing what ever we feel other than sales, mass appeal, and money. But mic skills should be at the fore front. Even then Biggie is far ahead of him imo. Big L may have the betta punchlines but word play, flow, and subject matter wise its a wrap.

Ok thanks for clarifying. As far as mic skills are concerned I prefer Big L though.

i agree, when Big L wanted to tell stories, i really dont think anyone came close to him, dude could do what he wanted with the mic almost like rapping was a joke to him since it came so easy. Yes, L was that good.

and also Kev maybe its not the underground bias of this forum, maybe people that have actually listened to both prefer L more, you ever think about that. Most people that say Biggie are people who arent well versed in hip hop or Big L. Not saying L would win consensussly but that says something that among well-versed hip hop heads he is only one vote away

True dat.

I'm pissed off from watching the bengals play so let's see if I can do this with a clear head. I'll take Biggie. I'm a fan of Big L but he just dont stack up to Biggie in my opinion.

D.Powell wrote:

Big L could not fuck with Biggie in any way, shape or form....not lyrically...not album creation, not flow, NOTHING, it doesn't matter IMO what this forum says...I told Kev before to put K-Rino at number one....Slaine and GZA belong in the top 3 seeds....Mac Dre and Andre Nickatina in the top 5 seeds as well.....and you're good by this group...then you've got a real battle to discuss.....lol...funny shit mane!

Agreed, I'm a Big L fan but Biggie was better in every catagory.

Saying Biggie was better in every category is pure bias. And you know it... lol

Shaun wrote:

Saying Biggie was better in every category is pure bias. And you know it... lol

No bias on my end.

Biggie could not see Big L on the punchlines, and that's a FACT!

'Breakin' in cribs with a crowbar, I wasn't poor I was po', I couldn't afford the O-R'>>>> Any punchline Biggie has ever spit

Now when I think about it, I did mention in a previous post that Big L has better punchlines. Every other category, BIG wins.

Shaun wrote:

Saying Biggie was better in every category is pure bias. And you know it... lol

Let's see.....he's a better lyricist, he had a better flow, he put out better albums, he had a bigger impact on the rap game, he was a better storyteller.....nope not bias. Just tellin it like it is.

Eastern Rap Pro wrote:

Shaun wrote:

Saying Biggie was better in every category is pure bias. And you know it... lol

Let's see.....he's a better lyricist, he had a better flow, he put out better albums, he had a bigger impact on the rap game, he was a better storyteller.....nope not bias. Just tellin it like it is.

I cosign on bigger impact, better flow, better storyteller, better lyricist, etc. I'd take Ready To Die over Lifestylez ov da Poor & Dangerous.

Impact doesn't matter. And my post was about punchlines.

Shaun wrote:

Impact doesn't matter. And my post was about punchlines.

Well you said that me saying Biggie was better in every way was bias, and I was proving you wrong.

As for punchlines, I'd say "If Fay had twins she'd probably have Two-Pacs, Get It? Two....Pacs" is as clever as any of Big L's punchlines.

Shaun wrote:

Biggie could not see Big L on the punchlines, and that's a FACT!

'Breakin' in cribs with a crowbar, I wasn't poor I was po', I couldn't afford the O-R'>>>> Any punchline Biggie has ever spit

Shaun hate to break it to you but that line was a joke from a comedian. We use to say that in the hood. So nothing origianl about that line.

And KJ I rise that quote you put and just go with:

"I leave bunnies more gone than Freeman"

Is this Biggie vs Big L or Death Row vs NY from 94 to 97...lol

Biggie

Highsmith wrote:

Is this Biggie vs Big L or Death Row vs NY from 94 to 97...lol

Biggie

The discussion about the latter has nothing to do with the former. I just want to make sure we get the fact straight, respectively.

Biggie...in a close match between fallen greats.