Best Produced: East Bracket Day 2 (Matchup 8)

(2) Nas - Illmatic

vs.

(15) Group Home - Livin' Proof

I'll take the production on Group Home over the production on Illmatic. Illmatic is the better album, but Nas was the star of that album. Livin Proof was bolstered by the production.

I'm goin with escobar

Nas

i co sign Terry i was originally gonna make Livin Proof around a 6 seed thats how highly i think of the album but went with convential wisdom instead. Premier made Lil Dap and Malachi listenable for an entire album and IMO its Premiers bet work....im going to go with Group Home with a buzzer-beating three

I can't decide

this was the toughest vote I've ever seen since being on this forum, thanks Slang...lol

I gotta go with Livin' Proof ever so slightly...I think that is preemo's greatest effort on a full length...those beats on that album are mind numbing IMO


Illmatic is the better overall album by far but beats wise it's going to Livin' Proof by a hair or two....lol

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Steve wrote:

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Then how come everyone always complains about the weak production Nas gets? This album is often cited as having his best production.

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Then how come everyone always complains about the weak production Nas gets? This album is often cited as having his best production.

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Then how come everyone always complains about the weak production Nas gets? This album is often cited as having his best production.

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

OK, I guess I should have said I think that Illmatic has superb production, and that's the biggest reason I bump "Illmatic" the most out of any Nas CD.

T. Myers wrote:

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

Cise Starr wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

Personally, I have seen better smart ass jokes from Terry. lol - it needs work man! lol

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Then how come everyone always complains about the weak production Nas gets? This album is often cited as having his best production.

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

OK, I guess I should have said I think that Illmatic has superb production, and that's the biggest reason I bump "Illmatic" the most out of any Nas CD.

I don't think the production is great, but it's perfect for Nas and that album. The beats were not a problem on illmatic nor did they take away from Nas' lyricism.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

illmatic is known for its lyricism moreso than its production.

Then how come everyone always complains about the weak production Nas gets? This album is often cited as having his best production.

Well, Herpes is better than Aids, but they are still STD's right?

OK, I guess I should have said I think that Illmatic has superb production, and that's the biggest reason I bump "Illmatic" the most out of any Nas CD.

I don't think the production is great, but it's perfect for Nas and that album. The beats were not a problem on illmatic nor did they take away from Nas' lyricism.

IMO, it means almost more that the emcee works well WITH the production...which I do happen to think is excellent. You can have dope beats all day, but if the emcee doesn't connect with them, they may not live up to their potential. I'm not saying that's the case at all with "Livin' Proof", but Nas connects with the Illmatic production and makes them more than live up to their potential and memorability.

well, thats the emcee and not the production, isnt it alan?

Steve wrote:

well, thats the emcee and not the production, isnt it alan?

No...lol...BOTH!

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

Steve wrote:

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

I can see why, but I don't look at it that way at all. The producer should have notable chemistry with the rapper. The rapper often times reveals the best points about the production IMO.

i guess we each have different interpretations.

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

I can see why, but I don't look at it that way at all. The producer should have notable chemistry with the rapper. The rapper often times reveals the best points about the production IMO.

I agree that the mc/producer should have chemistry, but that would affect the overall sound of the album. Not the production on the album. That's why albums with only one producer tend to be better to me.

Steve wrote:

i guess we each have different interpretations.

I guess what I'm saying is, (for example) Sabzi would make much more appealing beats with Geologic or RA Scion than he would with a random mainstream rapper IMO, because he has so much chemistry/history with them and knows what type of beats/sounds to drop behind them for the type of vibe they are going for. It can make a producer sound better in certain circumstances.

Im going to have to go with Illmatic - Represent, NY State of Mind, Life's A Bitch, One Love ect are all banging instrumentals.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

I can see why, but I don't look at it that way at all. The producer should have notable chemistry with the rapper. The rapper often times reveals the best points about the production IMO.

I agree that the mc/producer should have chemistry, but that would affect the overall sound of the album. Not the production on the album. That's why albums with only one producer tend to be better to me.

But how do you ignore the overall sound of an album when looking at the production of the album? There's much more to it than just being a beatmaker. The word producer means much more IMO.

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

I can see why, but I don't look at it that way at all. The producer should have notable chemistry with the rapper. The rapper often times reveals the best points about the production IMO.

I agree that the mc/producer should have chemistry, but that would affect the overall sound of the album. Not the production on the album. That's why albums with only one producer tend to be better to me.

But how do you ignore the overall sound of an album when looking at the production of the album? There's much more to it than just being a beatmaker. The word producer means much more IMO.

In essence, you are correct. The producer is instrumental in orchestrating the whole album, but for these threads, i've been voting on which album has the best collection of beats.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

the way i look at these questions is instrumental takes, just pure sounds, no rapping at all.

I can see why, but I don't look at it that way at all. The producer should have notable chemistry with the rapper. The rapper often times reveals the best points about the production IMO.

I agree that the mc/producer should have chemistry, but that would affect the overall sound of the album. Not the production on the album. That's why albums with only one producer tend to be better to me.

But how do you ignore the overall sound of an album when looking at the production of the album? There's much more to it than just being a beatmaker. The word producer means much more IMO.

In essence, you are correct. The producer is instrumental in orchestrating the whole album, but for these threads, i've been voting on which album has the best collection of beats.

I see. I have not been. I've been looking at it with all the elements a producer would encompass.

As much as I respect Primo, I think Illmatic is a better produced album.

Primo produced a few tracks on Nas' magnum opus as well, along with Large Professor and Pete Rock. That's a DEADLY combination!!

I honestly feel that Livin Proof is slightly overrated. Primo had some dope beats on that album, but it's not nearly his best work, I thought Gangstarr had 2-3 albums with doper beats than Group Home personally.

There isn't a single weak beat on Illmatic. Granted, it is known for it's lyricism moreso than it's production, but both elements of that album are FLAWLESS, which is why many (myself included) consider it the greatest rap album of all time.

I'm SHOCKED you would say that KJ


But in all seriousness any serious hip hop head that isn't a gay pop bopper that listens exclusively to souljah boi and bow wow all day long will tell you the group home blows nas out the water...no contest

N3R0 of 0nslaught3r wrote:

I'm SHOCKED you would say that KJ


But in all seriousness any serious hip hop head that isn't a gay pop bopper that listens exclusively to souljah boi and bow wow all day long will tell you the group home blows nas out the water...no contest

FAIL!!!!!!! [b]EPIC FAIL!!!!! ::

[b] to you too kj

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

Steve wrote:

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

no shit if you take just the beats from both. no rapping what so ever people would pick livin proof. i already know how it works on this forum. FUCK NAS im not even gonna listen to illmatic anymore after seeing how gay it makes people.

Premier is my favorite producer but I think the beats on Livin' Proof are overrated. Premier's three beats on Illmatic are better than his beats for Group Home in my opinion. Plus you have classic tracks on Illmatic produced by Large Pro, Pete Rock, and Q-Tip. Illmatic had four of the greatest producers of all time on it, and L.E.S. I just think Illmatic was better produced.

Steve wrote:

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

What's wrong with Bush's Baked Beans?

Cory wrote:

Steve wrote:

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

no shit if you take just the beats from both. no rapping what so ever people would pick livin proof. i already know how it works on this forum. FUCK NAS im not even gonna listen to illmatic anymore after seeing how gay it makes people.

LOL - Cory, you been getting angry as hell lately. Take it easy.

i was just trying to get kj riled up cuz nero asked for help, nothing really.


i do think group home is the better produced album, though.

KJ Styles wrote:

As much as I respect Primo, I think Illmatic is a better produced album.

Primo produced a few tracks on Nas' magnum opus as well, along with Large Professor and Pete Rock. That's a DEADLY combination!!

I honestly feel that Livin Proof is slightly overrated. Primo had some dope beats on that album, but it's not nearly his best work, I thought Gangstarr had 2-3 albums with doper beats than Group Home personally.

There isn't a single weak beat on Illmatic. Granted, it is known for it's lyricism moreso than it's production, but both elements of that album are FLAWLESS, which is why many (myself included) consider it the greatest rap album of all time.

I think you need to go and listen to Livin' Proof again KJ, that joint is hardly overrated for those beats my dude...

Preemo destroyed those beats on that effort...Hard To Earn has some slippage on their IMO..it's not as consistent as Livin' Proof in terms of beats...there is no beat on that one that is better than Supastar or Livin' Proof or Suspended In Time IMO

Steve wrote:

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

Just listen to yourself man. You're the one that was calling people STUPID for voting for Raising Hell over OB4CL, and Criminal Minded over The Sun Rises To The East.

You're cool people Steve, but when you say shit like that yesterday, and the above statement today - you come off like a total hypocrite.

As for stupid ass Cory, he hates Nas more than Farakkhan hates Jews, so his opinion on this topic doesn't mean shit and his vote should be nullified.

Alan wrote:

Cory wrote:

Steve wrote:

people are having way too much difficulty not voting in their personal favorite overall albums instead of the better sounding albums. like only a crazy hobo who just got done eating a can of bush's baked beans and shitting in his own ears would say illmatic is better produced than the group home album.

no shit if you take just the beats from both. no rapping what so ever people would pick livin proof. i already know how it works on this forum. FUCK NAS im not even gonna listen to illmatic anymore after seeing how gay it makes people.

LOL - Cory, you been getting angry as hell lately. Take it easy.

Cory is like a 5 year old with Terrets syndrome, he should be seen and not heard. Although if he weren't seen, that'd help too!

D.Powell wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

As much as I respect Primo, I think Illmatic is a better produced album.

Primo produced a few tracks on Nas' magnum opus as well, along with Large Professor and Pete Rock. That's a DEADLY combination!!

I honestly feel that Livin Proof is slightly overrated. Primo had some dope beats on that album, but it's not nearly his best work, I thought Gangstarr had 2-3 albums with doper beats than Group Home personally.

There isn't a single weak beat on Illmatic. Granted, it is known for it's lyricism moreso than it's production, but both elements of that album are FLAWLESS, which is why many (myself included) consider it the greatest rap album of all time.

I think you need to go and listen to Livin' Proof again KJ, that joint is hardly overrated for those beats my dude...

Preemo destroyed those beats on that effort...Hard To Earn has some slippage on their IMO..it's not as consistent as Livin' Proof in terms of beats...there is no beat on that one that is better than Supastar or Livin' Proof or Suspended In Time IMO

I'd take NY State Of Mind (also produced by Primo) over any of those beats, and I'd take DWYCK over any of them except Supa Star.

The beats on It Ain't Hard To Tell, Represent, The World Is Yours, and One Love are fantastic as well.

KJ Styles wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

As much as I respect Primo, I think Illmatic is a better produced album.

Primo produced a few tracks on Nas' magnum opus as well, along with Large Professor and Pete Rock. That's a DEADLY combination!!

I honestly feel that Livin Proof is slightly overrated. Primo had some dope beats on that album, but it's not nearly his best work, I thought Gangstarr had 2-3 albums with doper beats than Group Home personally.

There isn't a single weak beat on Illmatic. Granted, it is known for it's lyricism moreso than it's production, but both elements of that album are FLAWLESS, which is why many (myself included) consider it the greatest rap album of all time.

I think you need to go and listen to Livin' Proof again KJ, that joint is hardly overrated for those beats my dude...

Preemo destroyed those beats on that effort...Hard To Earn has some slippage on their IMO..it's not as consistent as Livin' Proof in terms of beats...there is no beat on that one that is better than Supastar or Livin' Proof or Suspended In Time IMO

I'd take NY State Of Mind (also produced by Primo) over any of those beats, and I'd take DWYCK over any of them except Supa Star.

The beats on It Ain't Hard To Tell, Represent, The World Is Yours, and One Love are fantastic as well.

NY State Of Mind is a ridiculous beat, no doubt about it but IMO Livin' Proof is better...also Da Realness beats it as well IMO....Preemo was living in the studio during the making of that album man...no girls, not much eating, nothing but his brain and those beats..lol...he murdered that album IMO...and that's why it's his best effort...I'm not sure why you included "Dwyck" in that comparison because to me that was just a nice fun party beat, not one of those extra grimy, killer beats that Preemo was known for...I'd take "Code Of The Streets" over that beat...lol

the beat on the title track "Livin Proof" puts me in a whole other mental state man i love that beat

Livin Proof wins this IMO cmon people vote for it we wanna see the 15 over 2 upset!

Voted Living Proof. The song (last minute or so) Baby Pa is on another level of dope.

My favorite beat off Livin' Proof was Serious Rap Shit, too bad Primo didn't produce that one.

I'll take "Illmatic" but just barely. Wow, "Illmatic" finally almost lost one of these.

AFutureWithoutAPast wrote:

I'm goin with escobar

why thank you, at least I get one vote

Oh my god KJ disagrees with Powell on something...that's a sign of the apocolypse!