100 Greatest Nominee Day 65 (A)

D.Powell wrote:

Jason wrote:

Yet you've followed me around whining about Gift of Gab for months.

Maybe it's not me you're upset with. Maybe it's him. We do have this flood of posts with you describing his body to us. Are you a woman scorned? Is that where this anger comes from? I'm sure your time together meant as much to his as it does to you.

HUH?? umm Jason stick to Silver Jews??? whatever that means..lol

Oh no, you've seen my avatar. I'm so ashamed to like music.

I think Pete Rock's production carried Cl I agree but I still don't think anyone has spit over Pete Rock's beats better than Cl Smooth, I feel like they complimented each other so well that they are a legendary duo, because of that and of course Pete's production

I'm late on this, but if Tech N9ne isn't a legend yet, he will be soon.

Powell you know me I think I am one of the biggest and best tweeners here, i.e. I know and love new and old, and trust me, you saying Tech N9ne has a smaller fan base is ridiculous, Tech N9ne is very smart with his marketing, both online and off and he frequently sells out venues, gets on MTV in this day and age, and of course, sells better.


Now for the other stuff, you know half these cats are 20 or under, so why get mad at them??? They have never heard Doug E Fresh what you expect, lol.

Co-sign Steve 100000000%

Steve wrote:

Powell you know me I think I am one of the biggest and best tweeners here, i.e. I know and love new and old, and trust me, you saying Tech N9ne has a smaller fan base is ridiculous, Tech N9ne is very smart with his marketing, both online and off and he frequently sells out venues, gets on MTV in this day and age, and of course, sells better.


Now for the other stuff, you know half these cats are 20 or under, so why get mad at them??? They have never heard Doug E Fresh what you expect, lol.

i voted top 100 btw

J. Linker of 0nSlaught3r wrote:

Co-sign Steve 100000000%

So Linker your admitting that you voted neither for Doug and really don't know not a damn thing about him?? I know you love his beatboxing skills but what else do you love about him man?

D.Powell wrote:

J. Linker of 0nSlaught3r wrote:

Co-sign Steve 100000000%

So Linker your admitting that you voted neither for Doug and really don't know not a damn thing about him?? I know you love his beatboxing skills but what else do you love about him man?

I love the fact that he owns an ice cream parlor. Wait! Maybe that was Roxanne Shante, never mind.

LOL

D.Powell wrote:

Pounds? yes
Kev? yes
Cory? yes
Terry? yes
Slang? yes

What about me playa, my hip-hop taste is good.

KJ Styles wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Pounds? yes
Kev? yes
Cory? yes
Terry? yes
Slang? yes

What about me playa, my hip-hop taste is good.

lol

What're we gonna do today, hmm Spike?
What're we gonna do, Spike?
What're we gonna do today?

Xcel wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

Xcel wrote:

I can see Pete Rock as a legend, but not CL Smooth...

LMAO...see what I mean??

LOL you really think he's a legend? I want to see who else thinks he is a legend...

CL Smooth is easily a legend, Xcel. Either way, he listed them as a duo (Pete Rock & CL Smooth). They are definitely a legendary duo.

I'd also say Gift Of Gab, K-Rino, & K-Rino are legends or near legends....don't get too upset Powell.

Xcel wrote:

"Yes XCL I think CL Smooth combined with Pete Rock is a LEGEND...as great as Pete is as a producer no one has spit over Pete's beats better IMO than CL Smooth

as a duo they are LEGENDS"

I disagree man, I think the main reason why CL Smooth was able to drop a classic was because of Pete Rock's production for the most part. He is a nice mc, but he is really not that spectacular imo...

He is spectacular, Xcel! lol

I think CL Smooth is a legend because he was part of a legendary duo, but most everyone agrees who the more important member of the duo was. I'm not trying to get in to this again, but it is what it is.

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

T. Myers wrote:

I think CL Smooth is a legend because he was part of a legendary duo, but most everyone agrees who the more important member of the duo was. I'm not trying to get in to this again, but it is what it is.

Powell listed them as a duo. Case closed.

Alan wrote:

Xcel wrote:

"Yes XCL I think CL Smooth combined with Pete Rock is a LEGEND...as great as Pete is as a producer no one has spit over Pete's beats better IMO than CL Smooth

as a duo they are LEGENDS"

I disagree man, I think the main reason why CL Smooth was able to drop a classic was because of Pete Rock's production for the most part. He is a nice mc, but he is really not that spectacular imo...

He is spectacular, Xcel! lol

LOL! that's definitely the fanboy coming out in you, but it's all good. I had to take a shot a Kev for bad mouthing GZA the other day. We all do it when it comes to our favorites.

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

I think CL Smooth is a legend because he was part of a legendary duo, but most everyone agrees who the more important member of the duo was. I'm not trying to get in to this again, but it is what it is.

Powell listed them as a duo. Case closed.

I agreed that they were a legendary duo so i don't see the problem.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Xcel wrote:

"Yes XCL I think CL Smooth combined with Pete Rock is a LEGEND...as great as Pete is as a producer no one has spit over Pete's beats better IMO than CL Smooth

as a duo they are LEGENDS"

I disagree man, I think the main reason why CL Smooth was able to drop a classic was because of Pete Rock's production for the most part. He is a nice mc, but he is really not that spectacular imo...

He is spectacular, Xcel! lol

LOL! that's definitely the fanboy coming out in you, but it's all good. I had to take a shot a Kev for bad mouthing GZA the other day. We all do it when it comes to our favorites.

Yeah I suppose. I am a CL Smooth fan boy if there ever was one.

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

Steve wrote:

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

LOL - I meant like "official" numbers. I wonder if their is a site to settle the debate at?

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

LOL - I meant like "official" numbers. I wonder if their is a site to settle the debate at?

there really isnt a debate, i love both artists bt its a common fact that Tech N9ne is EASILY the biggest selling indie rapper man

Slang Editorial wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

LOL - I meant like "official" numbers. I wonder if their is a site to settle the debate at?

there really isnt a debate, i love both artists bt its a common fact that Tech N9ne is EASILY the biggest selling indie rapper man

To me, it's a rumor until I see some numbers or some reputable text that says otherwise, because...

On the Tech N9ne wiki page is says these two things:

"He is also the best selling MC out of his hometown of Kansas City, MO."

"In September 2008, Tech N9ne officially hit a milestone in his career, recording over a million album sales to date, thanks to the release of his most recent double album, Killer."

I seriously think MF Doom has sold more than that over the span of his career. Quite easily IMO.

Alan wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

LOL - I meant like "official" numbers. I wonder if their is a site to settle the debate at?

there really isnt a debate, i love both artists bt its a common fact that Tech N9ne is EASILY the biggest selling indie rapper man

To me, it's a rumor until I see some numbers or some reputable text that says otherwise, because...

On the Tech N9ne wiki page is says these two things:

"He is also the best selling MC out of his hometown of Kansas City, MO."

"In September 2008, Tech N9ne officially hit a milestone in his career, recording over a million album sales to date, thanks to the release of his most recent double album, Killer."

I seriously think MF Doom has sold more than that over the span of his career. Quite easily IMO.

wouldn't you have to divide there sales by albums released to get a more accurate total? Hasn't Doom released more albums than Tech N9ne?

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Slang Editorial wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

Alan wrote:

All and all I'm not sure I believe Tech N9ne has a larger fan base than MF Doom. Would have to see some numbers. It would seem Doom would blow him out of the water to me.

DOOM has been around way longer, and Tech has outsold him by a gazillion. There are some numbers for you, Tech is the only indie million selling artist.

LOL - I meant like "official" numbers. I wonder if their is a site to settle the debate at?

there really isnt a debate, i love both artists bt its a common fact that Tech N9ne is EASILY the biggest selling indie rapper man

To me, it's a rumor until I see some numbers or some reputable text that says otherwise, because...

On the Tech N9ne wiki page is says these two things:

"He is also the best selling MC out of his hometown of Kansas City, MO."

"In September 2008, Tech N9ne officially hit a milestone in his career, recording over a million album sales to date, thanks to the release of his most recent double album, Killer."

I seriously think MF Doom has sold more than that over the span of his career. Quite easily IMO.

wouldn't you have to divide there sales by albums released to get a more accurate total? Hasn't Doom released more albums than Tech N9ne?

No. Tech N9ne has sold 1 million records total out of all the records he ever released. I'm saying Doom has sold more than that with his gigantic discography....I think anyway.

Yeah, look at his wiki page, all the television, games and movies his music has been in.

Plus you can look up on HHDX he is the #1 selling independent artist of all time. When MF DOOM makes it on TV, let me know. Tech N9ne is light years ahead of DOOM fan base wise. When DOOM gets an album that scans 250K, let me know.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.7111/title.tech-n9ne-prepares-to-sell-a-milli

Either way, I see no mention or "fact" that Tech N9ne is the "biggest selling indie rapper" anywhere when I searched for it. Maybe you can post the link, Slang.

^ DOOM did make on on Cartoon Netowork

I understand, but which artist is selling more per album. IMO, that would be the more telling sign to determine their fan base. I'm not familiar with all of Dooms releases were they all released independantly?

"Perhaps a testament to how achieved the feat, which arguably (based on the definition of “independent”), is a first for a rapper, Tech celebrated by performing a show. “It don’t really set in until [I did] that show that night, and it’s sold out and everybody’s screamin’. When I said, ‘Thank you for making me the number one independent rapper nation,’ everybody went crazy. And I have to sit up there in front of 4,000 people and look at them yell at me because of it,” he said with a laugh."

http://www.offthaave.com/music/tech-n9ne-reacts-to-selling-millionth-independent-album

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

Steve wrote:

Yeah, look at his wiki page, all the television, games and movies his music has been in.

Plus you can look up on HHDX he is the #1 selling independent artist of all time. When MF DOOM makes it on TV, let me know. Tech N9ne is light years ahead of DOOM fan base wise. When DOOM gets an album that scans 250K, let me know.

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.7111/title.tech-n9ne-prepares-to-sell-a-milli

Where do I find the list that says he's sold the most? This is just an article. 250K is impressive, but Atmosphere even sold nearly that many of Seven's Travels, and they've had more successful albums since. So I doubt 1 million constitutes "biggest selling indie rapper".

Slang Editorial wrote:

"Perhaps a testament to how achieved the feat, which arguably (based on the definition of “independent”), is a first for a rapper, Tech celebrated by performing a show. “It don’t really set in until [I did] that show that night, and it’s sold out and everybody’s screamin’. When I said, ‘Thank you for making me the number one independent rapper nation,’ everybody went crazy. And I have to sit up there in front of 4,000 people and look at them yell at me because of it,” he said with a laugh."

http://www.offthaave.com/music/tech-n9ne-reacts-to-selling-millionth-independent-album

I don't know man. That's just what Tech said to some fans at a show. A lot of rappers proclaim to hold the #1 spot when it's that close. Even the author of the article leaves some loopholes for error there.

I'm not saying he can't be the best selling, I just think it's way closer than that....and their are other contenders.

Atmosphere has Warner pal, they are not independent.

Steve wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

What about MM...Food? His new album? King Geedorah albums? Viktor Vaughn albums? Re-releases of classic material (Op Doomsday/KMD). Just saying, it's got to be extremely close. Most of what I find when I google the TN stuff is "one of the" biggest selling independent artists.

Tech N9ne has outsold Atmosphere as well, I am sure.

It's just a distribution and promotion deal with Warner's independent label group, Rhymesayers is still considered an independent label.

Steve wrote:

Atmosphere has Warner pal, they are not independent.

Every album they have is released and distributed through Rhymesayers, except Seven's Travels, which was a combo with Epitaph.

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

What about MM...Food? His new album? King Geedorah albums? Viktor Vaughn albums? Re-releases of classic material (Op Doomsday/KMD). Just saying, it's got to be extremely close. Most of what I find when I google the TN stuff is "one of the" biggest selling independent artists.

None of those albums even charted on the Billboard Top 200, except his latest.

Tech N9ne is more popular than Atmosphere, he has over TWO million more MySpace visits than Atmosphere.

And Tech has 11 million more profile hits than DOOM, lol

and lil wayne has 171 million more visits than tech n9ne, hahahaha

LOL - Myspace has spoken!

Strange released this video a couple months ago.... It has a lot of Tech's numbers in it..... Also has anybody seen the new Fight Night commercial? Tech and Kali are in it...

Jason wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

What about MM...Food? His new album? King Geedorah albums? Viktor Vaughn albums? Re-releases of classic material (Op Doomsday/KMD). Just saying, it's got to be extremely close. Most of what I find when I google the TN stuff is "one of the" biggest selling independent artists.

None of those albums even charted on the Billboard Top 200, except his latest.

But they got to be selling decent. Every sales counts. He has like 10 Special Herbs CDs too. lol

Justice wrote:

Strange released this video a couple months ago.... It has a lot of Tech's numbers in it..... Also has anybody seen the new Fight Night commercial? Tech and Kali are in it...

I can't watch it at work, but I DO believe Tech N9ne has sold that many albums. I am just unsure of some others.

Alan wrote:

Jason wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

What about MM...Food? His new album? King Geedorah albums? Viktor Vaughn albums? Re-releases of classic material (Op Doomsday/KMD). Just saying, it's got to be extremely close. Most of what I find when I google the TN stuff is "one of the" biggest selling independent artists.

None of those albums even charted on the Billboard Top 200, except his latest.

But they got to be selling decent. Every sales counts. He has like 10 Special Herbs CDs too. lol

They're selling something, but if they're not even charting, they're not making a big dent. I don't know if Tech N9ne is the biggest selling indie rapper, but what is clear is that he's sold significantly more than MF Doom. The soundscan numbers, the Billboard numbers, that's what it all says. I mean, the highest Doom has even charted is 41. Meanwhile, Tech N9ne has had two albums reach the Billboard top 20.

Jason wrote:

Alan wrote:

Jason wrote:

Alan wrote:

Steve wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madvillainy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mouse_and_The_Mask

#179 and #41 peak position respectively.

Tech N9ne's Sickology 101 just debuted at #19 recently, outselling the two albums first weeks combined. And that's a collabo cd, not even a proper solo. If you look on Google for tech n9ne plus million sold, and tech n9ne highest selling independent artist, you will get a ton of results. Ask on your other sites you go to, who has the bigger fanbase.

What about MM...Food? His new album? King Geedorah albums? Viktor Vaughn albums? Re-releases of classic material (Op Doomsday/KMD). Just saying, it's got to be extremely close. Most of what I find when I google the TN stuff is "one of the" biggest selling independent artists.

None of those albums even charted on the Billboard Top 200, except his latest.

But they got to be selling decent. Every sales counts. He has like 10 Special Herbs CDs too. lol

They're selling something, but if they're not even charting, they're not making a big dent. I don't know if Tech N9ne is the biggest selling indie rapper, but what is clear is that he's sold significantly more than MF Doom. The soundscan numbers, the Billboard numbers, that's what it all says. I mean, the highest Doom has even charted is 41. Meanwhile, Tech N9ne has had two albums reach the Billboard top 20.

Do you think Atmosphere has sold more than Doom?

Yeah, Atmosphere has probably sold more than Doom.

Atmosphere was on MTV...DOOM can't be getting anywhere near that kind of exposure.