X-Men vs. Avengers

For all us past and/or present comic/tv show nerds:

Captian America vs. Cyclops

Ant Man vs. Beast

Storm vs. Ironman

Wolverine vs. Hulk

Gambit vs. Black Panther

Wasp vs. Jean Grae

Thor vs. Iceman

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler

Colossus vs. Wonderman

Quicksilver vs. Havok

Banshee vs. She Hulk

Namor vs. Angel

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke

Quinjet or X-Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion

X-Men or Avengers

Captian America vs. Cyclops
Cap, greater experience. Cyke would have to keep him at a distance but would eventually tire before Cap would.

Ant Man vs. Beast
Beast, he's smarter unless we're talking Pym. We talking Pym or Lang man?
(Since I've been informed we're talking Pym then Pym it is.)

Storm vs. Ironman
Storm, sheer raw power she'd just need to dodge his repulsor blasts.

Wolverine vs. Hulk
Hulk, I always find this the most BS fight. One man lifts a thousand pounds, the other 100 tons.

Gambit vs. Black Panther
Black Panther, higher intelligence and martial skills, and a bigger arsenal.

Wasp vs. Jean Grae
Jean could beat her sitting on her ass.

Thor vs. Iceman
Thor, is a God and Iceman is lazy.

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler
Nightcrawler, can't hit a man moving at the speed of thought.

Colossus vs. Wonderman
PUSH. If Colossus needs to breathe then he's screwed otherwise they're pretty evenly matched. Personally I'd pick Piotr up and fly out in space and wait.

Quicksilver vs. Havok
Havok, with an omnidirectional blast. Besides Havok lead Quick on X-Factor so he knows how he thinks.

Banshee vs. She Hulk
She-Hulk

Namor vs. Angel
Namor, Angel is completely outclassed on this one.

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke
Scarlet Witch

Quinjet or X-Jet
X-Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion
Westchester Mansion

Avengers vs. X-Men
X-Men work better as a cohesive unit, the Avengers can let their personal shit get in the way.

Dope picks Pete. And yes its Henry Pym.

Captian America vs. Cyclops- agree with Pete.

Ant Man vs. Beast- neither likes to fight but I think Ant can take him.

Storm vs. Ironman

Wolverine vs. Hulk

Gambit vs. Black Panther- Pant would absorb every little card Gam can throw and than kick him in the nads.

Wasp vs. Jean Grae

Thor vs. Iceman- going with preference on this one. Thor talks too much "hero" talk for me.

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler

Colossus vs. Wonderman

Quicksilver vs. Havok

Banshee vs. She Hulk

Namor vs. Angel

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke

Quinjet or X-Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion

X-Men or Avengers

Captian America vs. Cyclops

Ant Man vs. Beast

Storm vs. Ironman

Wolverine vs. Hulk- I like Wolverine more, but Hulk would fuck him up

Gambit vs. Black Panther- Likewise with this matchup

Wasp vs. Jean Grae- Biggest blowout of these matchups, especially if Jean turns into Phoenix

Thor vs. Iceman- This is a complete and total blowout

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler

Colossus vs. Wonderman

Quicksilver vs. Havok

Banshee vs. She Hulk

Namor vs. Angel

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke

Quinjet or X-Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion

X-Men or Avengers- This one could go either way, but I'm not sure if any of the X-Men could fuck with Thor or Hulk.

TicNitty706 wrote:

Thor vs. Iceman- going with preference on this one. Thor talks too much "hero" talk for me.

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler

You have to remember Iceman is a shit talker too. Drake is powerful enough to combat Thor cause he's an Omega Level mutant but he lacks self-discipline. When the White Queen took over his body she used his powers better than he ever did. The most significant ass kicking Bobby has delivered is beating Juggernaut so the boy is no chump also a mystical foe. However Thor has fought Frost Giants and beings stronger than Drake and he has more battle experience from centuries of fighting.

I have to ask but Kev how do you see Hawkeye beating Nightcrawler?

*I almost forgot Black Panther's suit has vibranium in it and so that would lessen the impact of Gambit's explosives. But remember Gambit is a master savateur but even with that martial arts wise BP is Cap-class.

"I have to ask but Kev how do you see Hawkeye beating Nightcrawler?"

I think Hawkeye has an arrow that can isolate Nightcrawler long enough to knock his ass out. Hawkeye is very accurate and with night crawler poofing in and out he will catch him.

Good points about Ice vs Thor but I still can't stand Thor's cliche alpha male talk. Thor would whip his ass eventually though.

I find humor in his melodramatic way of speaking. Truth be told I think Thor is probably one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel Universe that isn't a cosmic crusader. He's like the Superman of the Avengers. The only one seeing him mano y mano on the Avengers is Hulk.

Nightcrawler is pretty agile and a master swordsman. Dare I say his reflexes are uncanny. LOL!

It'd be tight to see Bullseye fight Hawkeye.

Bullseye has fought Hawkeye several times recently...just before Daken killed him.

Captian America vs. Cyclops-Closer than most would admit, but I'd still say Cap if we're talking about Steve Rogers

Ant Man vs. Beast-Pym

Storm vs. Ironman-Storm, fairly easily

Wolverine vs. Hulk-Banner

Gambit vs. Black Panther-Gambit

Wasp vs. Jean Grae-HA! Jean

Thor vs. Iceman-Thor

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler-Depends on which era you're talking about, but in the recent stuff, I'd say Hawkeye rather easily.


Colossus vs. Wonderman-Wonderman, unfortunately...

Quicksilver vs. Havok-Havok

Banshee vs. She Hulk -Banshee

Namor vs. Angel-If it's just Angel, then yeah Namor, but Arcangel would mop the floor with Namor

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke-Wanda, obviously

Quinjet or X-Jet-X Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion-Westchester

X-Men or Avengers - X Men

Did Hawkeye get an upgrade I wasn't made aware of? (guess I better peep some of the new stuff)

Banshee vs. She Hulk -Banshee

How is Banshee beating She-Hulk? He'd run out of steam before she would.

Namor vs. Angel-If it's just Angel, then yeah Namor, but Arcangel would mop the floor with Namor

Angel even as Archangel ain't seeing Namor. Namor is way stronger and can fly. Dude has traded blows with Hulk, broke the Dr. Strange's magic, and stripped Iron Man buttnaked (popped his top like a soda can). Angel is completely outclassed.

TheHazardous wrote:

Did Hawkeye get an upgrade I wasn't made aware of? (guess I better peep some of the new stuff)

Banshee vs. She Hulk -Banshee

How is Banshee beating She-Hulk? He'd run out of steam before she would.

Namor vs. Angel-If it's just Angel, then yeah Namor, but Arcangel would mop the floor with Namor

Angel even as Archangel ain't seeing Namor. Namor is way stronger and can fly. Dude has traded blows with Hulk, broke the Dr. Strange's magic, and stripped Iron Man buttnaked (popped his top like a soda can). Angel is completely outclassed.

I totally agree with you on all that Peterson, especially the Nightcrawler/Hawkeye matchup. I'm a Hawkeye fan but Nightcrawler would disappear long before Hawkeye could get a direct hit on him. He'd fuck Hawkeye up fairly easily.

Archangel would give Namor a better matchup but yeah, Namor would still come out on top.

Captain America vs. Cyclops-gotta go with Cap here, because the shield is blocking those eye rays and then he's throwing that shit and knocking Clops out...lol

Ant Man vs. Beast-Beast

Storm vs. Ironman-Storm easily...this chick would create a hurricane and blow his ass out to sea...

Wolverine vs. Hulk-Hulk would truly SMASH.....

Gambit vs. Black Panther-Black Panther (cause he's black...lol)

Wasp vs. Jean Grae-Jean Grae EASILY....that goes for the superhero and the emcee...lol

Thor vs. Iceman-wow this matchup is a joke......Thor would turn this dude into a puddle

Hawkeye vs. Nightcrawler-Nightcrawler....the constant teleporting would get on anyone's nerves..lol

Colossus vs. Wonderman-Colossus

Quicksilver vs. Havok-Quicksilver

Banshee vs. She Hulk-She Hulk by a bunch....that screaming shit won't help him here

Namor vs. Angel-Namor by a bunch

Scarlet Witch vs. Psylocke-Scarlet Witch

Quinjet or X-Jet-X-Jet

Avenger Mansion or Westchester Mansion-who cares

X-Men or Avengers- overall I'm going with The Avengers mainly because of the Hulk, Thor and She-Hulk.....those 3 are unstoppable by just about any force that the X-Men could throw at them and would be the last ones standing which in turn would mean that The Avengers win

Hulk, She-Hulk, and Thor are physical powerhouses... but all three together couldn't stand up to Jean Grey.

parker lewis wrote:

Hulk, She-Hulk, and Thor are physical powerhouses... but all three together couldn't stand up to Jean Grey.

Jean Grey is powerful especially as the Phoenix but against all 3 of them alone I think she would still lose....and probably bring at least one of them down with her in the process.....lol

Wolverine could take Thor. Chop one those arms right the fuck off. Storm could contain She Hulk and Jean would mess with Hulk mind long enough for victory.

TicNitty706 wrote:

Wolverine could take Thor. Chop one those arms right the fuck off. Storm could contain She Hulk and Jean would mess with Hulk mind long enough for victory.

Thor is a GOD and is far more powerful than Wolverine. Not to mention that he knows magic. If Wolvie couldn't beat Magneto, he damn sure ain't fuckin with Thor who's magical powers trump Magneto's.

Storm might have a shot with She Hulk (and even that's debatable) but Jean even as Phoenix would get murked by Hulk, especially Savage Hulk.

KJ Styles wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

Wolverine could take Thor. Chop one those arms right the fuck off. Storm could contain She Hulk and Jean would mess with Hulk mind long enough for victory.

Thor is a GOD and is far more powerful than Wolverine. Not to mention that he knows magic. If Wolvie couldn't beat Magneto, he damn sure ain't fuckin with Thor who's magical powers trump Magneto's.

Storm might have a shot with She Hulk (and even that's debatable) but Jean even as Phoenix would get murked by Hulk, especially Savage Hulk.

Wolverine claws cut through almost anything. Magneto took advantage of Wov bones being made of metal but even then he could not kill Wov. Wov would cut blondie the fuck up especially in berzerker rage.

TheHazardous wrote:

Did Hawkeye get an upgrade I wasn't made aware of? (guess I better peep some of the new stuff)

Banshee vs. She Hulk -Banshee

How is Banshee beating She-Hulk? He'd run out of steam before she would.

Namor vs. Angel-If it's just Angel, then yeah Namor, but Arcangel would mop the floor with Namor

Angel even as Archangel ain't seeing Namor. Namor is way stronger and can fly. Dude has traded blows with Hulk, broke the Dr. Strange's magic, and stripped Iron Man buttnaked (popped his top like a soda can). Angel is completely outclassed.

Archangel turned into apocalypse son. namor isn't fucking with that.

Also banshee has beat the regular hulk si I'm pretty sure he could beat the one with a vagina

KJ Styles wrote:

TicNitty706 wrote:

Wolverine could take Thor. Chop one those arms right the fuck off. Storm could contain She Hulk and Jean would mess with Hulk mind long enough for victory.

Thor is a GOD and is far more powerful than Wolverine. Not to mention that he knows magic. If Wolvie couldn't beat Magneto, he damn sure ain't fuckin with Thor who's magical powers trump Magneto's.

Storm might have a shot with She Hulk (and even that's debatable) but Jean even as Phoenix would get murked by Hulk, especially Savage Hulk.

The Hulk would not "murk" Phoenix. Only way he could is if he just quickly ate her or got the drop on her when she wasn't aware of it. If Onslaught could take control of the Hulk. Phoenix would easily make him rape himself.

If she became Dark Phoenix she could take on every version of the Hulk with out even trying.
Jean without the Phoenix is a different story. I thin she has the power but not the heart to do it. But for him to stand a chance he would need Juggernauts Helmet or an equivalent. As long as she could get into his mind it'll be game over.

Yep, Jean would make Hulk smash his own team up before disposing of him. I have to think her powers are the ultimate. That's why her ethics became such an important storyline. Without X's guidance and values Grey could have easily chosen to run the whole world however she felt.

I had to catch up with this one.

Wolvie ain't beating Thor. Sorry again he's way outclassed. If it was purely hand to hand combat then we have a battle. Wolvie vs Cap would be a much better fight. Magneto could've killed Wolvie but he chose not to. He was pissed cause Wolvie cut but he still had enough control to immobilize him. When the adamantium was ripped out he was on life support. He effectively shut his healing factor down for a time.

Jean as Phoenix would hand ANY incarnation of the Hulk his ass. The damn thing destroyed Star Systems simply to recharge. Plain ole Jean would be a fight. If she could breach his mind then game over. Otherwise it would be about stamina and Hulk has more steam in his engine.

When did Archangel become Apocalypse? If he truly has become Apocalypse then I'm willing to concede the point under the condition it's stated what powers of Apocalypse he has attained.

When and how did Banshee take out Hulk? This I got to see.

Angel never became Apocalypse. The way I read his post it sounds like he meant Apocalypse's son which he never became either.

A Guest wrote:

Also banshee has beat the regular hulk si I'm pretty sure he could beat the one with a vagina

which issue/comic/cartoon did this one occur in??? because for now it's


If the Hulk laid his pinky finger on Banshee it's all day everyday.....talk about a mismatch....lol

Ok, clearly you guys don't keep up with current shit because right now there's a huge arc in Uncanny X Force explicitly dealing with Arcangel becoming Apocalypse in the AoA universe.

Banshee beat Hulk when he was a member of the IRA, if I find the issue I will cite it. He used his sonic scream in Hulk's ear to disorientate him then lulled him to sleep with harmonics until he reverted back into Bruce Banner. Hulk is portrayed vastly inconsistently in terms of his powers. Prior to the mid 90's, Hulk had been beat down by practically every super hero you can name, then all of a sudden he gets a huge power boost and is unstoppable (see World War Hulk). Now, once again, he seems to have been knocked down a peg or two as Hulk has seperated from Banner (AGAIN, sigh).

Also, come to think of it, I might even put Cyke over Steve Rogers Cap because Cyke has a pair of balls when it comes to fighting so if it was life or death I'd definitely pick Mr. Summers. Holding back? Cap, sure.

Captain America would destroy Cyclops. He's stronger and a much better hand to hand fighter. If Rogers gets in close range, Summers would be toast. Not to mention that his shield would block Summers' rays.

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

A Guest wrote:

Ok, clearly you guys don't keep up with current shit because right now there's a huge arc in Uncanny X Force explicitly dealing with Arcangel becoming Apocalypse in the AoA universe.

Banshee beat Hulk when he was a member of the IRA, if I find the issue I will cite it. He used his sonic scream in Hulk's ear to disorientate him then lulled him to sleep with harmonics until he reverted back into Bruce Banner. Hulk is portrayed vastly inconsistently in terms of his powers. Prior to the mid 90's, Hulk had been beat down by practically every super hero you can name, then all of a sudden he gets a huge power boost and is unstoppable (see World War Hulk). Now, once again, he seems to have been knocked down a peg or two as Hulk has seperated from Banner (AGAIN, sigh).

Also, come to think of it, I might even put Cyke over Steve Rogers Cap because Cyke has a pair of balls when it comes to fighting so if it was life or death I'd definitely pick Mr. Summers. Holding back? Cap, sure.

You so gotta find that issue. Banshee's no punk but a couple of ear plugs would nullify that for Jennifer Walters. She's ahead of the curve in intelligence too although Mr. Cassidy is a detective. I think it would still come down to how long he could maintain his scream. The moment it went close quarters he's toast with eggs and bacon on the side.

As far as Cyke goes Cap would win as long as he didn't throw his shield. If he did that he'd be defenseless. His best defense would be to keep the battle going until Scott got tired. Cyke can deflect flying objects with ease. A blast wouldn't destroy the shield but he could alter its trajectory. Hand to hand Cyke is good but he's no match for Cap.

The last storyline concerning Hulk that I'm familiar with is Code Red when he fought Red Hulk. My understanding was the end results he lost some juice.

And they brought back AoA (Age of Apocalypse)? I thought he died disabling the defense shield that allowed the Human Resistance to bomb NY. Or is this a different AoA?

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

Then why are you on this thread?

KJ Styles wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

Then why are you on this thread?

I read it all simp.

KJ Styles wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

Then why are you on this thread?

Then why are you in any thread, KJ?

parker lewis wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

Then why are you on this thread?

Then why are you in any thread, KJ?

Because unlike your dumb ass, I know what I'm talking about, assclown!

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

As usual I have pretty much no idea what you people are talking about.

Then why are you on this thread?

I read it all simp.

You're the simp, with your limited ass rap knowledge.

AoA was brought back in the Exiles, then recently with this X Force stuff. However, it's not necessarily the same AoA, they've left it vague and the storyline isn't over yet.

And that shield bullshit doesn't work. Cap's shield doesn't cover his whole body, Cyke wouldn't have to let it get to close combat. ALSO, for those that don't know, Summers is a master in aikido, which Cap isn't. Cyclops took down an entire team of X-Men with broken ribs. At the very least, Scott is equal to Steve.

I haven't read comics since the Onslaught saga. I usually check Wikipedia every few months to catch up on characters. But Angel as Apocalypse, that just sounds dumb. I never liked the idea of Apocalypse transferring his essence anyway. But Angel doesn't appear as if he could hold all of Apocalypses power and on top of that Angel is suppose to be dead in the AOA universe so I wonder how is this happening. Is it the same Apocalypse or is he just saying he is Apocalypse. How did he come back? Also, if anyone can load a screen shot of Angel Apocalypse please do it. This reminds me when Gambit became Death it just didn't sound right to me.

A Guest wrote:

AoA was brought back in the Exiles, then recently with this X Force stuff. However, it's not necessarily the same AoA, they've left it vague and the storyline isn't over yet.

And that shield bullshit doesn't work. Cap's shield doesn't cover his whole body, Cyke wouldn't have to let it get to close combat. ALSO, for those that don't know, Summers is a master in aikido, which Cap isn't. Cyclops took down an entire team of X-Men with broken ribs. At the very least, Scott is equal to Steve.

"In canon, he is regarded by other skilled fighters as one of the best hand-to-hand combatants in the Marvel Universe."

And that's a quote. I didn't say Cyke was a chump with his hand skills he's just not seeing cap. He's been throwing down way longer. Cyke's fighting skill is ranked level 4. Cap is level 7. I would be willing to push him up to a 6 but he's not a 7. Cap is the guy who trained other people to step their game up.

Just peeped his stats of lately and apparently somebody has been playing with them. My whole life he's been ranked 7 until now either way his listed skills include Boxing, Kickboxing, Jujitsu, Judo, Fencing, Wushu, and an expert using multiple types of arms. And that's not including the other skills he's learned over several decades. Dude is a beast.

Punisher>>>>>>>Cap & Cyclops.

TicNitty706 wrote:

Punisher>>>>>>>Cap & Cyclops.

The Punisher would have to kill them while they are fighting each other to win.

It's the 616 Arcangel becoming the 616 Apocolypse in AoA, if that makes any sense. So it's just that "our" Warren started turning into En Sabuh Nur so he decided to go to a world he already ruled instead of trying to conquer ours. I believe he still looks like Arcangel but I don't think they've really shown him in action yet, as they're trying to build it up. It's essentially the same thing the Akkaba Klan tried doing to Chamber a few years back but ultimately failed, although a few hints have been thrown that if Warren doesn't work out, they will be going back after Chamber. What happened was they found a mutant kid (since Hope came and mutants are popping up again) with a lot of potential and Logan dispatched his new X Force to kill the kid before he became Apocalypse. Well, eventually they stopped whining about having to decide whether or not they had to kill this kid and I believe it was Fantomex that just shot him in the head. Apparently something happened to Warren after that (killing the kid activated the "seed" in Warren or something to that effect) and he just took off without really fighting. Now he's in AoA building up his team because he knows that X Force is going to come after him. That was the last I read.

Keep in mind, if he does become Apocolypse, he still won't have the Celestial technology, just the augmented mutation (which if I'm not mistaken is Omega level, and Apocolypse is an External as proved by his inability to die) so he's not AS powerful as the old guy, but would be more than enough to take out Namor.

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That contains a preview of Uncanny X Force 14, with Warren (as ArcApocalypse) talking to Dark Beast about his ascension, and a child you might recognize in the AoA universe capable of destroying him. If you look closely at some of the panels, you'll see a different version of Apoc's armor, but it's basically the same look he had as Arcangel (not nearly as drastic as the look Summers took when he became Cyclopsalypse).

TicNitty706 wrote:

Punisher>>>>>>>Cap & Cyclops.

Nope. Cap is better trained, more experience, and a superior physique. I'd love to see a What If storyline with Castle being conscripted by the Weapon Plus Program though.

Took me awhile to find this shit but if anybody is still curious, there is a huge crossover for Marvel starting I believe in March called Avengers VS X-Men, and there will be a companion mini series (called AVX) of mostly one on one battles which will have clear winners and losers. This sounds badass and too good to be true but thought I'd post it.