Top 10 Greatest (South) #3

Cee-Lo

Since we are apparently including group work, Cee-Lo is a top 10 artist at the very least.

#2, behind Scarface.

Top 5 for me...Cee Lo in his prime rhyme days was betta than Dre to me.

I can't argue Cee-Lo's dopeness, but i am surprised that people think he's better than Andre 3000. I personally think Cee-Lo never reached the heights Andre reached on Aquemini.

Listen to Still Standing again Terry. Cee Lo is on some other shit.

KRob86 wrote:

Listen to Still Standing again Terry. Cee Lo is on some other shit.

I really don't need to considering that i know that record from front to back, and IMO nothing on that record is touching Andre on Aquemini. Maybe you should listen to Aquemini again. LOL!

No vote for me...

I think Cee Lo was better on Soul Food, but he was dope on Still Standing too.

That said, Dre on Aquemini >>>>>>>

Yeah he was incredible from the begining, but Dre did have a greater leap in skills than Cee Lo.

Top 10

T. Myers wrote:

I can't argue Cee-Lo's dopeness, but i am surprised that people think he's better than Andre 3000. I personally think Cee-Lo never reached the heights Andre reached on Aquemini.

Co-Sign. I like him but he's not better than Three Stacks.

well since he hasnt done shit solo, hes a neither.

Top 10 (#6)

I prefer these 5 more:

Andre 3000
Big Boi
Speech
Bun B
Big Mike

Steve, Cee-Lo has two solo albums...or are you talking bout 3000?

i know cee-lo has 2 solos and they aint shit to me, even if they were too much southern dopeness to get top 10 off them

This isn't just about his solo albums, it's about his whole body of work.

Jason wrote:

This isn't just about his solo albums, it's about his whole body of work.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. Groups are being done separately.

to me, this is and will continue to be about solo work. we agreed to keep groups and solo rappers separate, so if you keep nominating predominantly group rappers their group work will not be taken into consideration.

Steve wrote:

to me, this is and will continue to be about solo work. we agreed to keep groups and solo rappers separate, so if you keep nominating predominantly group rappers their group work will not be taken into consideration.

That's not the way I see it...

A rapper can still be top 25 and not even have a solo album, because he is still a rapper. It was never top 25 solo rappers was it? So just because Andre & Big Boi are up for nomination, Outkast will get voted for in the groups when those come along.

Kev said individual artists, and even in a group, you're still an individual artist, you're just working closely with other artists. He never said just solo artists, and from what he's said, and the fact he's even put up someone like Andre 3000, Kev clearly didn't intend for this to just be about solo work, he intended it to about the whole body of work for an individual artist.

Jason wrote:

Kev said individual artists, and even in a group, you're still an individual artist, you're just working closely with other artists. He never said just solo artists, and from what he's said, and the fact he's even put up someone like Andre 3000, Kev clearly didn't intend for this to just be about solo work, he intended it to about the whole body of work for an individual artist.

Exactly...Jason and Pounds gets it. There are some smart dumb muthaphuckas on this forum boy I tell you. Cee Lo 2nd album is a personal classic for me by the way.

we voted on the separation of groups for a reason, dont like the way im voting suck my dick, you the dumb mother fuckers for voting dudes in 27 times.

Steve wrote:

we voted on the separation of groups for a reason, dont like the way im voting suck my dick, you the dumb mother fuckers for voting dudes in 27 times.

Bingo! This stuff doesn't make too much sense to me. It's like wiping your ass before you shit. It's pointless, but i'll continue to vote on the artists put in front of me.

Steve wrote:

we voted on the separation of groups for a reason, dont like the way im voting suck my dick, you the dumb mother fuckers for voting dudes in 27 times.

You'd only vote an artist in twice at most. And those polls will be separate from these. I don't care how you vote, just saying...

T. Myers wrote:

Steve wrote:

we voted on the separation of groups for a reason, dont like the way im voting suck my dick, you the dumb mother fuckers for voting dudes in 27 times.

Bingo! This stuff doesn't make too much sense to me. It's like wiping your ass before you shit. It's pointless, but i'll continue to vote on the artists put in front of me.

LOL - I fail to see why you guys are confused. A 5th grader could figure it out.

Ok, let me ask you guys a question. If Cee-Lo was combined with Goodie Mob on the top 100 threads, why should he be separated here?

lmao at wipe your ass before you shit comment

T. Myers wrote:

Ok, let me ask you guys a question. If Cee-Lo was combined with Goodie Mob on the top 100 threads, why should he be separated here?

These are separate lists we're talking about, right? One list for top individual artists, one list for top groups. That's the impression I got. If that's the case, the answer to your question is simple. The top 100 list was one list, these are two separate lists. Now, if we're doing groups and individual artists all on the same list, I agree it doesn't make sense.

it makes sense if you do one list for "Best MC's" and one for "Best Groups" why is that so difficult?

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Ok, let me ask you guys a question. If Cee-Lo was combined with Goodie Mob on the top 100 threads, why should he be separated here?

These are separate lists we're talking about, right? One list for top individual artists, one list for top groups. That's the impression I got. If that's the case, the answer to your question is simple. The top 100 list was one list, these are two separate lists. Now, if we're doing groups and individual artists all on the same list, I agree it doesn't make sense.

If we are doing a group list in conjuncture with this list, why nominate an artist who is primarily a group rapper? I could understand Scarface being nominated and The Geto Boys being nominated on the group side, but truthfully Andre and Cee-Lo being nominated on the solo side is stupid. Whether you, Pounds, and Kev think so is irrelevant to me.

Slang Editorial wrote:

it makes sense if you do one list for "Best MC's" and one for "Best Groups" why is that so difficult?

That's fine, but if that was the intent all along, why even ask if solo artists should be separated from groups?

"Imo it gets tricky when you include grps because some grp members have a solo career as storng as the grp career. At least doing it solo rap wise there will be no double slots taken by the same crew."

There is Kev's quote from the initial thread. Any question?

https://hiphopforlife.forumotion.com/topic-of-the-day-f17/top-10-greatest-region-edition-t1056.htm

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

Also, are you saying Andre has a solo career strong enough to warrant a nomination?

Terry you are really weirding me out, I expect Steve dumb ass not to get it but you, what's the problem. Does Cee Lo write his own rhymes? Does Cee Lo stand out to you as a rapper? Is Cee Lo a big part of why Goodie Mob is Goodie Mob? Is he an individual artist? Does Cee Lo rap his own verses or do him and T-Mo go line for line back and forth? I mean that goes for Dre also.

When we do grps you are looking at GOODIE MOB as a whole collective. Not just Cee Lo or Gipp just GOODIE MOB. I mean this is really fucking crazy.

So no one can have Andre or Cee Lo on their personal fav rapper list? Is that what you and Steve are saying?

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

kevin, your prince fielder lookalike ass couldnt see me intellectually with laser eye surgery. hotep!

KRob86 wrote:

Terry you are really weirding me out, I expect Steve dumb ass not to get it but you, what's the problem. Does Cee Lo write his own rhymes? Does Cee Lo stand out to you as a rapper? Is Cee Lo a big part of why Goodie Mob is Goodie Mob? Is he an individual artist? Does Cee Lo rap his own verses or do him and T-Mo go line for line back and forth? I mean that goes for Dre also.

When we do grps you are looking at GOODIE MOB as a whole collective. Not just Cee Lo or Gipp not GOODIE MOB. I mean this is really fucking crazy.

No, as an individual artist, Cee-Lo does not belong on a top 10 list.

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

Well Terry thats your misguided thought process...I should never hear you say how much you dig Cee or Dre anymore then from now on just reference them as Goodie Mob and Outkast. No more "Dre ripped that verse" just say Outkast ripped that verse even if Dre rapped it by himself. A toast to your logic.

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

This is a list of top individual artists, not top solo artists. Some artists in groups have put in the kind of work that deserves individual recognition also, in my opinion.

KRob86 wrote:

Well Terry thats your misguided thought process...I should never hear you say how much you dig Cee or Dre anymore then from now on just reference them as Goodie Mob and Outkast. No more "Dre ripped that verse" just say Outkast ripped that verse even if Dre rapped it by himself. A toast to your logic.

There's nothing misguided my man. They can rip a verse all they want, but if it's done on a Kast or Goodie album it will fall up under a group umbrella. If they do it on a solo album, it will fall under the solo umbrella.

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

This is a list of top individual artists, not top solo artists. Some artists in groups have put in the kind of work that deserves individual recognition also, in my opinion.

See, this makes virtually no sense. Andre has only put in work as part of a group. His work will be recognized on the group thread.

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

This is a list of top individual artists, not top solo artists. Some artists in groups have put in the kind of work that deserves individual recognition also, in my opinion.

See, this makes virtually no sense. Andre has only put in work as part of a group. His work will be recognized on the group thread.

Yes, he will recognized as part of Outkast, and he will be recognized on the individual list, because he's distinguished himself that much as a rapper to the majority of people here.

It's sort of like having a top songs list and a top albums list. 36 Chambers might be on the album list, and an individual song might be recognized on the top songs list, like C.R.E.A.M., because is stands out on its own as an exceptional song.

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

This is a list of top individual artists, not top solo artists. Some artists in groups have put in the kind of work that deserves individual recognition also, in my opinion.

See, this makes virtually no sense. Andre has only put in work as part of a group. His work will be recognized on the group thread.

Yes, he will recognized as part of Outkast, and he will be recognized on the individual list, because he's distinguished himself that much as a rapper to the majority of people here.

It's sort of like having a top songs list and a top albums list. 36 Chambers might be on the album list, and an individual song might be recognized on the top songs list, like C.R.E.A.M., because is stands out on its own as an exceptional song.

I get what your saying, but if that's the case, this would be the south's top mc's. However, It is being presented as the south's top solo artists. There is a difference.

no, that is not a good comparison at all jason and it makes no sense.

when it comes to my top 10 southern mc's i would include cee-lo and andre....and outkast and goodie mob would be in my top 10 groups, what the hell is the problem with that?

who cares? For example, Mobb Deep may end up a top 10 east group but prodigy wont be a top 10 east MC, it makes sense for andre and cee-lo though because they are 2 of the best from the south that so happened to be in a group

like i said before it should be for MC's not "solo artists" thats dumb and makes shit all fuckedup

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Jason wrote:

^Which is why we're not doing that, they're separate lists. He asked because he was trying to decide before we started. We voted not to include groups together with individual artists.

Neither one of them have a solo career strong enough to be nominated. Their impact will be on the group list. If they are picked here, they will occupy a spot on both lists, when they should only occupy one. Try again.

We're not just looking at solo careers, we're looking at all of their work. And why does it matter if they are represented on the individual list and as part of a group on a separate list? The lists aren't looking at the same thing, it's not one list like the top 100 was.

I was under the impression that this was being done in conjucture with the group list. If so, that is where they will be represented. I'll ask again, if these guys are not solo artists, why are they nominated? If you like to say that one is a greatest mc's list and the other is a greatest group list, i'm fine with that, but that's not how this whole thing was brought about.

This is a list of top individual artists, not top solo artists. Some artists in groups have put in the kind of work that deserves individual recognition also, in my opinion.

See, this makes virtually no sense. Andre has only put in work as part of a group. His work will be recognized on the group thread.

Yes, he will recognized as part of Outkast, and he will be recognized on the individual list, because he's distinguished himself that much as a rapper to the majority of people here.

It's sort of like having a top songs list and a top albums list. 36 Chambers might be on the album list, and an individual song might be recognized on the top songs list, like C.R.E.A.M., because is stands out on its own as an exceptional song.

I get what your saying, but if that's the case, this would be the south's top mc's. However, It is being presented as the south's top solo artists. There is a difference.

Kev worded it as individual artists in the original thread, not solo artists:

"Okay, I would like for everyone to list a breakdown of their top 10 by coast. I am thinking no grps allowed just individual artist. I will use these list for the nominations which will be broken into a Top 5 and Top 10 bracket. I am assuming we will use Jason's point system and hopefully he doesn't mind keeping up with the records. If anybody feels grps should be included please suggest it and majority will rule."

He doesn't say solo anywhere in that thread.