Top 10 Greatest Grps (East) #2

Wu Tang Clan

probably #1 for me. With the group albums, solo joints, and collaborations they have 8-10 classic albums and plenty more dope ones.

easily top 5. If BDP is not considered a group for these particular nominations, the Clan is # 1 easily.

top 5 EASILY

#1...

For the east they are number one for me and overall they are like number 4-5.

#1 overall

Top 5 for the Wu, and who voted neither??

lmao @ the neither vote

Hate can be contagious. So I'm just glad whoever did it remained anonymous...

Kopasetick wrote:

lmao @ the neither vote

Hate can be contagious. So I'm just glad whoever did it remained anonymous...

The east is pretty stacked, Norf. Some people prefer some styles over others as well. I see nothing wrong with it.

That said, as a collaborative group, Wu-Tang is not in my top 10. So I have to go neither since 36 Chambers is the only album I consistently spin from the crew. The other work is all solid, but I can't give a group top 10 if they only have 1 personal classic in my book. Especially since the personal classic doesn't get as much play as anything in my top 10.

That said, my top 10 from the east is:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beastie Boys
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gang Starr
Public Enemy
Run-DMC
The Roots
Digable Planets
X Clan

And I'd probably give top 10 to these guys before Wu Tang:

EPMD
Heavy D & The Boyz
Organized Konfusion
Poor Righteous Teachers

Obviously, Wu-Tang is objectively top 5-10, but that doesn't mean I personally listen to their music nearly as much as some east coast groups.

Alan wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

lmao @ the neither vote

Hate can be contagious. So I'm just glad whoever did it remained anonymous...

The east is pretty stacked, Norf. Some people prefer some styles over others as well. I see nothing wrong with it.

That said, as a collaborative group, Wu-Tang is not in my top 10. So I have to go neither since 36 Chambers is the only album I consistently spin from the crew. The other work is all solid, but I can't give a group top 10 if they only have 1 personal classic in my book. Especially since the personal classic doesn't get as much play as anything in my top 10.

That said, my top 10 from the east is:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beastie Boys
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gang Starr
Public Enemy
Run-DMC
The Roots
Digable Planets
X Clan

And I'd probably give top 10 to these guys before Wu Tang:

EPMD
Heavy D & The Boyz
Organized Konfusion
Poor Righteous Teachers

Obviously, Wu-Tang is objectively top 5-10, but that doesn't mean I personally listen to their music nearly as much as some east coast groups.

While i don't agree at all, that is certainly respectable. not to mention there are still other groups that you didn't mention like De La Soul, BDP(if they count), Eric B & Rakim(if they count), and Naughty By Nature.

I don't think Eric B & rakim should count or Jazzy & fresh, Heavy & Boyz, BDP, PR & Cl. I think the grp section should just be for real grps not a beatmaker and a rapper. What y'all think?

#1 from the East. Wu-Tang Clan Ain't Nuthin' ta Fuck Wit!

Top 5 easily.

KRob86 wrote:

I don't think Eric B & rakim should count or Jazzy & fresh, Heavy & Boyz, BDP, PR & Cl. I think the grp section should just be for real grps but a beatmaker and a rapper. What y'all think?

I agree Kev, unless we have a problem getting positive votes (which we shouldn't in the East) then true groups should be nominated first.

As for Wu-Tang, they're Top 5.

Top 5 for me...

Top 5. IMO doesn't get much better than these guys back east.

kev i agree, a producer and mc shouldnt be considered a group for these polls

KRob86 wrote:

I don't think Eric B & rakim should count or Jazzy & fresh, Heavy & Boyz, BDP, PR & Cl. I think the grp section should just be for real grps not a beatmaker and a rapper. What y'all think?

I think they should be included except for BDP. But only because BDP is like solo KRS-One anyway, because KRS produced most of that material and was the creative visionary in the production as well. Because Will Smith & CL Smooth were judged poorly due to folks only including their solo work. I mean, what is CL Smooth to most people without Pete Rock? Same for Heavy D. What is Rakim without the classic Marley Marl production and Eric B. cuts? What is Guru without DJ Premier? Will Smith has an incomparable career with DJ Jazzy Jeff. The argument could be everlasting, so I feel they should definitely be nominated.

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

lmao @ the neither vote

Hate can be contagious. So I'm just glad whoever did it remained anonymous...

The east is pretty stacked, Norf. Some people prefer some styles over others as well. I see nothing wrong with it.

That said, as a collaborative group, Wu-Tang is not in my top 10. So I have to go neither since 36 Chambers is the only album I consistently spin from the crew. The other work is all solid, but I can't give a group top 10 if they only have 1 personal classic in my book. Especially since the personal classic doesn't get as much play as anything in my top 10.

That said, my top 10 from the east is:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beastie Boys
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gang Starr
Public Enemy
Run-DMC
The Roots
Digable Planets
X Clan

And I'd probably give top 10 to these guys before Wu Tang:

EPMD
Heavy D & The Boyz
Organized Konfusion
Poor Righteous Teachers

Obviously, Wu-Tang is objectively top 5-10, but that doesn't mean I personally listen to their music nearly as much as some east coast groups.

While i don't agree at all, that is certainly respectable. not to mention there are still other groups that you didn't mention like De La Soul, BDP(if they count), Eric B & Rakim(if they count), and Naughty By Nature.

Well Terry, they obviously didn't get mentioned (De La Soul, NBN, Eric B. & Rakim) because they don't make my top 10. I'd vote positive for BDP if they are included though...

Slang Editorial wrote:

kev i agree, a producer and mc shouldnt be considered a group for these polls

So you don't think Gang Starr should be included? Because most people said they'd vote them in on groups, but not Guru as a solo artist...

You guys better figure it out. You can't pick and choose. It will just cause more debates and flaw the voting.

I think the word is "duo..."

I don't think duos count, but I wouldn't be mad at them being included either because, technically speaking, they could be viewed as a group.

I'm with Alan on this one. The producer/mc combo should be counted as a group. there is a certain chemistry that can't be replicated. They compliment each other, and they both contribute to the finished product. i mean Guru didn't make it as a solo artist, and now his works with Premier will be swept under the rug too? That material is too potent to be ignored, but that's just my opinion.

Kopasetick wrote:

I think the word is "duo..."

I don't think duos count, but I wouldn't be mad at them being included either because, technically speaking, they could be viewed as a group.

I'd agree with that, but if we are not going to do Duos separately, they should be included here.

Well, yeah, if duos aren't going to be polled separately, then, yeah...

Maybe we should poll them separately to avoid confusion and petty interruptions?

i guess see your point now that i think about it, BDP probly shouldnt be nominated though since thats KRS alone basically, but people did say in the Guru thread they would vote for Gang Starr

i wouldnt be opposed to doing Duos though

Anyone not putting Wu-tang in their top 10 has too much pollen in their ears.

T. Myers wrote:

Guru didn't make it as a solo artist, and now his works with Premier will be swept under the rug too?

Exactly. And there will be other instances/complaints just like this if we pick and choose who should be eligible. We should probably include all duos (IMO).

Steve wrote:

Anyone not putting Wu-tang in their top 10 has too much pollen in their ears.

LOL...yeah. I love that flower power shit!

I'll include all duo's except

Eric B & Rakim- Rakim is all already all over the other lists.
BDP- only one true rapper, more like a crew.
Heavy D & Boyz- yeah right.

KRob86 wrote:

I'll include all duo's except

Eric B & Rakim- Rakim is all already all over the other lists.
BDP- only one true rapper, more like a crew.
Heavy D & Boyz- yeah right.

You know that's going to create mass chaos (especially with Powell & KJ) if you do this, Kev. Not sure why you even want to pick and choose. It's a grey area. Just make it so duo's can be nominated as well.

I find it a bit tough to take the first two out after stewing on it a minute...

An argument can be made that after Rakim's golden period with Eric B., he lost momentum...he never made another classic. To judge the duo's catalog only would give them an edge because the material was all stellar and people would not consider the other "commercial flops" (you know what I mean...).

Same with BDP. How can you take away one of the best runs in hip-hop history? Think about the flawlessness of those records, and tell me there would not be a different response when you don't take into account his 15 (or whatever) solo albums he's had...many commercial flops and some questionable material. There basically is no flaws...only dopeness!

Mark my words, there will be hell to pay if you don't nominate them, Kev.

Alan wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Alan wrote:

Kopasetick wrote:

lmao @ the neither vote

Hate can be contagious. So I'm just glad whoever did it remained anonymous...

The east is pretty stacked, Norf. Some people prefer some styles over others as well. I see nothing wrong with it.

That said, as a collaborative group, Wu-Tang is not in my top 10. So I have to go neither since 36 Chambers is the only album I consistently spin from the crew. The other work is all solid, but I can't give a group top 10 if they only have 1 personal classic in my book. Especially since the personal classic doesn't get as much play as anything in my top 10.

That said, my top 10 from the east is:

A Tribe Called Quest
Beastie Boys
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Gang Starr
Public Enemy
Run-DMC
The Roots
Digable Planets
X Clan

And I'd probably give top 10 to these guys before Wu Tang:

EPMD
Heavy D & The Boyz
Organized Konfusion
Poor Righteous Teachers

Obviously, Wu-Tang is objectively top 5-10, but that doesn't mean I personally listen to their music nearly as much as some east coast groups.

While i don't agree at all, that is certainly respectable. not to mention there are still other groups that you didn't mention like De La Soul, BDP(if they count), Eric B & Rakim(if they count), and Naughty By Nature.

Well Terry, they obviously didn't get mentioned (De La Soul, NBN, Eric B. & Rakim) because they don't make my top 10. I'd vote positive for BDP if they are included though...

Well Alan, I think i was able to figure out they were not mentioned becuase they weren't actually in your top 10, but thanks for stating the obvious. You also listed groups that were not in yourtop 10 too. My point was that those groups were in addition to the groups you have mentioned. It was meant to further emphasize that the east was stacked.

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

I'll include all duo's except

Eric B & Rakim- Rakim is all already all over the other lists.
BDP- only one true rapper, more like a crew.
Heavy D & Boyz- yeah right.

You know that's going to create mass chaos (especially with Powell & KJ) if you do this, Kev. Not sure why you even want to pick and choose. It's a grey area. Just make it so duo's can be nominated as well.

I find it a bit tough to take the first two out after stewing on it a minute...

An argument can be made that after Rakim's golden period with Eric B., he lost momentum...he never made another classic. To judge the duo's catalog only would give them an edge because the material was all stellar and people would not consider the other "commercial flops" (you know what I mean...).

Same with BDP. How can you take away one of the best runs in hip-hop history? Think about the flawlessness of those records, and tell me there would not be a different response when you don't take into account his 15 (or whatever) solo albums he's had...many commercial flops and some questionable material. There basically is no flaws...only dopeness!

Mark my words, there will be hell to pay if you don't nominate them, Kev.

Pounds why when you make a point does my name fly out of your mouth constantly?? I hardly ever use either yours or others names when making my points...it's almost like your trying to think for me and I'm okay doing that on my own, thanks dawg..lol

Anyway back to the topic, Kev, I think we need to know if EPMD or Run-D.M.C. or Gangstarr and many others are considered groups or duos or both??? I've always considered them both meaning a group and a duo...so that would mean they should be nominated in this category IMO...what do you feel about this man??

^ ok thats fine but do you think Eric B and Rakim need to be nominated as a group??

If Gang Starr is, if BDP is, etc. Eric B & Rakim need to be a group, no question.

well if thats the case i think duos should be separate

Eric B and Rakim should be nominated here because as corny as Eric B was...Rakim's work was never the same after they split...

Duos and Groups should go here Kev...

There aren't enough duos to do them separate; they should just be included.

Alan wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

I'll include all duo's except

Eric B & Rakim- Rakim is all already all over the other lists.
BDP- only one true rapper, more like a crew.
Heavy D & Boyz- yeah right.

You know that's going to create mass chaos (especially with Powell & KJ) if you do this, Kev. Not sure why you even want to pick and choose. It's a grey area. Just make it so duo's can be nominated as well.

I find it a bit tough to take the first two out after stewing on it a minute...

An argument can be made that after Rakim's golden period with Eric B., he lost momentum...he never made another classic. To judge the duo's catalog only would give them an edge because the material was all stellar and people would not consider the other "commercial flops" (you know what I mean...).

Same with BDP. How can you take away one of the best runs in hip-hop history? Think about the flawlessness of those records, and tell me there would not be a different response when you don't take into account his 15 (or whatever) solo albums he's had...many commercial flops and some questionable material. There basically is no flaws...only dopeness!

Mark my words, there will be hell to pay if you don't nominate them, Kev.

I disagree. Rakim and KRS one have already made it as solo artists. If you nominate them again, it's just gonna take a spot away from another deserving group from the East.

Steve wrote:

There aren't enough duos to do them separate; they should just be included.

There's a LOT of them in the East though

Name me 11 worthy candidates KJ.

Steve wrote:

Name me 11 worthy candidates KJ.

Groups, or just duos?

Duos

eric b and rakim
pete rock and cl smooth
gang starr
smif n wessun
heltah skeltah
nice and smooth
method man and redman
mobb deep
Show & AG
organized konfusion
MOP
Kool G Rap and DJ Polo
Capon n Noreaga

Duo is 1 rapper and 1 producer try again genie in a bottle.

no one said that, if we do duos its any type of duo, and if we do it we should probably only do it in the east

I'll just do all and go all out how about that...

What about crews/clicks?

Slang Editorial wrote:

eric b and rakim
pete rock and cl smooth
gang starr
smif n wessun
heltah skeltah
nice and smooth
method man and redman
mobb deep
Show & AG
organized konfusion
MOP
Kool G Rap and DJ Polo
Capon n Noreaga

Damn, Slang beat me to it. Add BDP and Das EFX to that list as well.

in your case as a duo being 1 rapper 1 producer, then eric b and rakim wouldnt be considered a duo since eric b didnt do the producing anyway

Like I said, nobody has any issue with GROUPS of 2 or more rappers getting in/being voted on. You clowns cannot name 11. So take the L and just vote them with groups.