Best Album Of 1999 Pre List

Myestro wrote:

Balance

Though, that's one I would vote for "by default". Because I know it would have 8,000,000 votes against it "by default".

I added Balance just for you. And its funny you mention that becuse I was just thinking I bet Mys break his not voting by default rule for this album...lol. You never ask for much or complain a lot its the least I can do.

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Oh and while Nastradamus is my least fav Nas album I don't buy into the hype of it being wack. I like it and will take it over quite a few albums on this list.

Both Nas albums make it, but your leaving out Spice 1's 4th best (IMO)? I can understand Kokane's getting left off because I'm almost positive I'm the only one on here that played the shit out of that album back in 99-00. Much respect for adding my other 3 rec's K. Rob, I know you're not a big fan of Immortalized, although I don't understand why...Love that record, used to slap the 12's tuff back when I had hella slump in the old ride. All in all happy with the 3 of 5 though, nice work cutty.

I haven't heard that Spice album probably since '99. It just never stuck with me. I don't remember feeling it was wack just more so no replay value. And I know more people have heard Nastradumas than Immortilized.

Plus if Immobilarity stays in this tourney (I see u Slang) Nastradumas stays..lol.

A Prince Among Thieves is a producer album that is a concept album. I know the various MC's(although there's really only two) make it feel like a comp, but there is a common thread that ties the whole thing together. Even though i don't think i'd vote in favor of it too often, it does deserve a spot IMO.

Also, i was gonna mention the Pastor Troy album, but i didn't figure anyone outside of SRP would give a damn. I would vote for it over quite a few albums on the list though.

Kev, how come i don't see G-Maab's Rise up there?

Here's a few more albums

Eve-Ruff Ryders First Lady(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
Noreaga-Melvin Flynt(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
U-God-Golden Arms Redemption
Warren G-I Want it All
Rah Digga-Dirty Harriet
Q-Tip-Amplified(I probably wouldn't vote for it)

T. Myers wrote:

Kev, how come i don't see G-Maab's Rise up there?

I realized that last night it has been added.

Tic706 wrote:

T. Myers wrote:

Kev, how come i don't see G-Maab's Rise up there?

I realized that last night it has been added.

Cool, i doubt it will get a ton of votes, but this is possibly a top 5 album to me for 1999.

T. Myers wrote:

Here's a few more albums

Eve-Ruff Ryders First Lady(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
Noreaga-Melvin Flynt(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
U-God-Golden Arms Redemption
Warren G-I Want it All
Rah Digga-Dirty Harriet
Q-Tip-Amplified(I probably wouldn't vote for it)

Rah Digga is a must but I have it on my 2000 list. I'm seeing conflicting release dates for '99 and '00. I may save it for 2000. Eve may have to be added due to it being an album i'm sure plenty have heard. Not seeing the NORE or Tip being added unless theres an sudden demand for them. Warren G is already on the list. I'll probably add the U God for the big Wu fans on this forum.

Golden Arms >>>

Classic Limited Edition got 4.5 mics! Add it or I will assume it is the un-disputed champion

Blades wrote:

Classic Limited Edition got 4.5 mics! Add it or I will assume it is the un-disputed champion

Made Men?.....lol. I would add it but I don;t recall you coming around often to vote anyway.

I second Warren G Want It All and Made Men... classic limited edition...

Tic706 why you gotta joke about my incarceration? I'm back! Put CLE on this list or I'll have to do another bid

Blades wrote:

Tic706 why you gotta joke about my incarceration? I'm back! Put CLE on this list or I'll have to do another bid

LOL...

to quote Willie D:

"So what you been to the pen and they call you a killer, i'll still pull this desert eag and spit at you ni--a"

This isn't going to get any easier after 2000, Kevin. One of the reasons most people don't think much of hip-hop as a whole is because all of the creative splinters tend to appeal to niche crowds. Simple East/South/West preferences are pretty much gone after 99.

parker lewis wrote:

This isn't going to get any easier after 2000, Kevin. One of the reasons most people don't think much of hip-hop as a whole is because all of the creative splinters tend to appeal to niche crowds. Simple East/South/West preferences are pretty much gone after 99.

I agree 100%. I already know shit will hit the fan post 2000. Plenty of default votes coming up. But on the positive I like that some yrs the winner will not be as predictable as the 90's and 80's. I notice how spit people taste got in the 00's. I already have in mind that this touney may have to increase to that dreaded 128 on some yrs coming. Especially in the late 00's with the mixtape/albums and more underground choices coming on the scene strong.

Tic706 wrote:

Myestro wrote:

Balance

Though, that's one I would vote for "by default". Because I know it would have 8,000,000 votes against it "by default".

I added Balance just for you. And its funny you mention that becuse I was just thinking I bet Mys break his not voting by default rule for this album...lol. You never ask for much or complain a lot its the least I can do.

Aww shucks! Yeah, any Swollen Members albums, and any Sweatshop Union albums (should they ever make the cut) would cause me to vote by default. They'd probably need all the help they could get. I'd vote by default for Arsonists' "As The World Burns" too, because that's how much I love that album.

Tic706 wrote:

Blades wrote:

Classic Limited Edition got 4.5 mics! Add it or I will assume it is the un-disputed champion

Made Men?.....lol. I would add it but I don;t recall you coming around often to vote anyway.

That bullshit only got 4.5 Mics because bitch ass Benzino was running the Source.

T. Myers wrote:

Here's a few more albums

Eve-Ruff Ryders First Lady(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
Noreaga-Melvin Flynt(I probably wouldn't vote for it)
U-God-Golden Arms Redemption
Warren G-I Want it All
Rah Digga-Dirty Harriet
Q-Tip-Amplified(I probably wouldn't vote for it)

Eve and Rah Digga's debuts were BANGERS. Even though the dudes in here don't like rappers that have a vagina, they deserve to be added.

I also agree that if Immobilarity gets added then so should Nastradamus. I didn't care for either album but Immobilarity was worse IMO.

Tic706 wrote:

Oh and while Nastradamus is my least fav Nas album I don't buy into the hype of it being wack. I like it and will take it over quite a few albums on this list.

Including Nastradamus but leaving all those other dope albums out? Who the fuck is gonna vote for Nastradamus? lol

Whatever though....makes no real difference to me....just seems weird.

Alan wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Oh and while Nastradamus is my least fav Nas album I don't buy into the hype of it being wack. I like it and will take it over quite a few albums on this list.

Including Nastradamus but leaving all those other dope albums out? Who the fuck is gonna vote for Nastradamus? lol

Whatever though....makes no real difference to me....just seems weird.

Leaving all what dope albums out? Give some examples.

Grouch and eligh specifically.

I had no beef with Made Men being omitted until I saw shit like Rap Life and Guerilla Warface... Them shits are like the Washington Generals of the thread

I'll second Q-Tip and Pastor Troy. I'd take both of them over Nastradamus.

Nastradamus is better than Amplified

Maybe I'll revisit Nastradamus for the upcoming tourney but I still bump Q-Tip from time to time. It's no tribe lp but it's good for what it was.

Nastradamus gets beat down waaay too much. Is it one of his weaker efforts? Sure. But lyrically he is still murking that album. Its just the flow of the album and some of the beat selections are off. I think if he would have dropped this as a disc 1 or 2 as originally planned with I Am it would be tolerated a lot more. But as an stand alone album its weakness shows in the wide open.

Better lyrics alone won't save an album. If it doesn't mesh as cohesive work then it'll come up lacking. I felt with Q-Tip I got what I paid for. I knew what it was about coming just off the singles. I understand Tribe fans being disappointed expecting something deeper. Maybe I don't feel that way cause I had no such preconceived notions going in.

TheHazardous wrote:

Better lyrics alone won't save an album. If it doesn't mesh as cohesive work then it'll come up lacking. I felt with Q-Tip I got what I paid for. I knew what it was about coming just off the singles. I understand Tribe fans being disappointed expecting something deeper. Maybe I don't feel that way cause I had no such preconceived notions going in.

Thats why I listen to Nastra as a collection of songs more so than an album. And the beats are not wack (save for a few), just average. I buy Nas albums for lyricism mainly anyway. I rarely worry about his production because thats not his main thing. Same with K-Rino and a very few others. I buy there work for the lyricism and subject matter. As long as the beats are not complete trash I usally get along fine with them.

And I feel you on what you said about Tip album. That helps a lot when you can go into an album with no big expectations.

Tic706 wrote:

Nastradamus gets beat down waaay too much. Is it one of his weaker efforts? Sure. But lyrically he is still murking that album. Its just the flow of the album and some of the beat selections are off. I think if he would have dropped this as a disc 1 or 2 as originally planned with I Am it would be tolerated a lot more. But as an stand alone album its weakness shows in the wide open.

I feel the same way about Nastradamus. It was definitely a disappointment but people that say that it's the worst rap album of all time are idiots. I also co-sign what you said about the original plans. The Lost Tapes were tracks that were supposed to be on the I Am/Nastradamus double LP. Had that plan came to fruition, Nas would have NO duds on his discography and his already strong case for being the GOAT would be even stronger.

Personally, he's still the GOAT IMO but if the above scenario had happened, his name would come up even more in GOAT conversations than it already does and nobody not named SRP or N3RO would bat an eye.

Untitled would still suck, Street's Disciple would still suck, Distant Relatives would still suck, God's Son would still be average...

Untitled is dope

Jeff's wrong on all four counts. I have 3 out of those four albums at 4.5 stars and SD at 4 stars.

All four of those albums >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Venni Vetti Vicci.

Jeff, SRP, myself, & Myers all need our ass kick for forgetting this album came out this year:

Death Before Dishonesty- Bootleg

Its being added now.

Tic706 wrote:

Jeff, SRP, myself, & Myers all need our ass kick for forgetting this album came out this year:

Death Before Dishonesty- Bootleg

Its being added now.

What got the boot?, because I read that Nia technically didn't get released in the states til 2000, don't know if that's true or not though.

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Jeff, SRP, myself, & Myers all need our ass kick for forgetting this album came out this year:

Death Before Dishonesty- Bootleg

Its being added now.

What got the boot?, because I read that Nia technically didn't get released in the states til 2000, don't know if that's true or not though.

Don't know yet. Thinking about taking off Terror Squad.

Tic706 wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Jeff, SRP, myself, & Myers all need our ass kick for forgetting this album came out this year:

Death Before Dishonesty- Bootleg

Its being added now.

What got the boot?, because I read that Nia technically didn't get released in the states til 2000, don't know if that's true or not though.

Don't know yet. Thinking about taking off Terror Squad.

Terror Squad's first album was a banger, don't take that off for an album that only 5-6 people on this forum have even fucking heard.

KJ Styles wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Deanie O'Banion wrote:

Tic706 wrote:

Jeff, SRP, myself, & Myers all need our ass kick for forgetting this album came out this year:

Death Before Dishonesty- Bootleg

Its being added now.

What got the boot?, because I read that Nia technically didn't get released in the states til 2000, don't know if that's true or not though.

Don't know yet. Thinking about taking off Terror Squad.

Terror Squad's first album was a banger, don't take that off for an album that only 5-6 people on this forum have even fucking heard.

Hell thats the majority of the people on this forum that participate in this tourney...lol.

But thats cool I just needed someone to vouch for it.

Take off Nastradamus. There is no need for two Nas albums when I Am is vastly superior IMO. The TS album should stay.

T. Myers wrote:

Take off Nastradamus. There is no need for two Nas albums when I Am is vastly superior IMO. The TS album should stay.

yeeeeeep

Thats cool.

think most well known shit has been mostly said.... anyone say 2nd II none, Classic 220 ? Sorry if it has been

Kev you might as well add Soundbombing II to this mix too man....I mean you currently have East Point's Greatest Hits which is a Dungeon Family comp...so there's plenty of extra talent on that one, that is not a Cool Breeze solo effort man....

Soundbombing II deserves a look here mayne.....


Oh and don't remove Terror Squads joint...that was a pretty dope album....

Nastradamus probably should be removed in that case.....it's not a completely wack album per se but IMO it's not above 3 stars either (I have it at 2.75 stars) and I know it has virtually zero chance of moving on beyond the first round, so get that one off of here but let the Terror Squad stay.....

East Points Greatest Hits is most certainly a solo album by Cool Breeze. But other than that I agree with you Powell.

remove Nastradamus for Soundbombing II....Soundbombing II is top 25 album ever. ITs not a typical "comp" with a bunch of tracks just thrown together, the whole album truly plays like an album and has a certain vibe throughout complete with interludes and everything

Its not fair for SB II to be on this. What solo albums save for one or two is really going to be able to compete with a comp album of that calibur? Its not a solo or grp album its an artist showcase album. Thats too much for a one artist show to compete with.

A long time ago we came up with no comps or sountrks unless there are no more albums available.

the asster would lose to SBII... so would that missy bullshit...

I see So Hows You Girl? is an comp album also. That just made room for another album.

It's not a comp album. Handsome Boy Modeling School is Dan The Automator and Prince Paul. They have features on the album...

SyRuP Sippa wrote:

It's not a comp album. Handsome Boy Modeling School is Dan The Automator and Prince Paul. They have features on the album...

I guess that makes sense even though they don't rap on it its their album. Kinda like that Prince Among Thieves album.