100 Greastest Nominee Day 50 (B)

Mantronix

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantronix

No opinion on this one., but i remember Powell giving this dude a lot of credit a few days ago. So i need to check out some his material. Where's the best place to start?

T. Myers wrote:

No opinion on this one., but i remember Powell giving this dude a lot of credit a few days ago. So i need to check out some his material. Where's the best place to start?

"The Album" (1985)

Top 100 for me. Kurtis Mantronik is one of hip-hop's most underrated producers. Him and MC Tee had excellent chemistry.

Haven't heard enough of him to vote.

KJ Styles wrote:

Haven't heard enough of him to vote.

Really KJ? I'd figure an old-schooler like yourself would have been into them.

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

KJ Styles wrote:

Haven't heard enough of him to vote.

Really KJ? I'd figure an old-schooler like yourself would have been into them.

I've heard songs by them, but never a full length album.

...Never heard of them

J. Linker of 0nSlaught3r wrote:

...Never heard of them

Will we be seeing more of these comments than we did with Just-Ice? lol

Fuck a mantronix... simple ass robot music... and the man does techno shit now... ain't no hip-hop...

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Fuck a mantronix... simple ass robot music... and the man does techno shit now... ain't no hip-hop...

You make comments like this to piss off Powell. You obviously don't have a clue. If Kurtis Mantronik now makes electronica music, that does not mean Mantronix (Kurtis Mantronik + MC Tee) ever did. And Just-Ice's debut was certainly worlds aways from "techno".

I make comments because I mean them, not to piss anyone off... Mantronix music is simple ass robot music... even back when he was producing for rap artists.. come off it opie trice...

i dont know enough about them to vote

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

I make comments because I mean them, not to piss anyone off... Mantronix music is simple ass robot music... even back when he was producing for rap artists.. come off it opie trice...

You get on Powell for the same crap you are guilty of - personal bias. You're just a complete hypocrite about it.

So please Opie Trice, tell me what my personal bias is in this case?

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

So please Opie Trice, tell me what my personal bias is in this case?

There's no point in arguing about it. It's just a fact like it is with everyone around here. But you're just stuck on some elitist garbage.

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

So please Opie Trice, tell me what my personal bias is in this case?

There's no point in arguing about it. It's just a fact like it is with everyone around here. But you're just stuck on some elitist garbage.

Meaning you talking out your ass as well...

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

Southern Rap Pro wrote:

So please Opie Trice, tell me what my personal bias is in this case?

There's no point in arguing about it. It's just a fact like it is with everyone around here. But you're just stuck on some elitist garbage.

Meaning you talking out your ass as well...

No, most people can articulate their differing opinions around here without sounding like an elitist asshole - you are incapable of doing so.

Mantronix has one classic album and they were a HUGE influence on today's producers (Timbaland, specifically) BUT their period of actively making music just isn't comparable to other mc's on this list.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

their period of actively making music just isn't comparable to other mc's on this list.

They had 5 albums. 3 with MC Tee. Didn't Biggie make the list?

top 100 son. shows the bias of this forum

HAHAHAHAHAHA good one cory.


And I didn't vote for Biggie. You woulda known that had you been paying attention. Please don't act like I'm unfamiliar.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHA good one cory.

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everyone gets to say that when their little rappers dont get voted in so i should be allowed to as well.

he's a top 100 hip-hop act of all-time

he changed hip-hop production completely

his beats are sick

the problem with him at least on this forum is that he came before alotta of heads time on here

I know damn well that if a faggot like SRP is voting here he's a lying vagina...

he is 26....lived in Tex-Ass all his disgusting life...ropes cattle and kills buffaloes...rides in the nearest rodeos..

how the FUCK would he know about Kurtis Mantronix?? A dude who was killing shit in the mid 80's in NYC...a place that SRP has only seen in movies like King Kong...what the FUCK does he know about this guy?? his vote and himself are USELESS....lol

Top 100 EASILY!

D.Powell wrote:

I know damn well that if a faggot like SRP is voting here he's a lying vagina...

he is 26....lived in Tex-Ass all his disgusting life...ropes cattle and kills buffaloes...rides in the nearest rodeos..

how the FUCK would he know about Kurtis Mantronix?? A dude who was killing shit in the mid 80's in NYC...a place that SRP has only seen in movies like King Kong...what the FUCK does he know about this guy?? his vote and himself are USELESS....lol

Top 100 EASILY!

I dont see what thats got to do with it. Im 18 from canada yet i know this dudes work. age and location have nothing to do with it. you should know this by not powell

He just uses whatever ammo he's got against a person if they disagree with him. It's not like I say "What do you know about Tech N9ne, Powell, you're not from the midwest

Cory, I was being semi-serious, you have every right to say that. But it was still funny.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

HAHAHAHAHAHA good one cory.


And I didn't vote for Biggie. You woulda known that had you been paying attention. Please don't act like I'm unfamiliar.

Why act so defensive? Who said you voted for Biggie? I was making a point that Biggie got in with 2 albums, and Mantronix had 5. You said they didn't record enough albums for a vote...

I'm not really acting defensive?

I see your point, I was just defending my stance. It's also hard for any primarily instrumental artist/group to get in here. Dj Shadow is dope, but he wouldn't stand a chance.

The Mothafuckin GZA wrote:

D.Powell wrote:

I know damn well that if a faggot like SRP is voting here he's a lying vagina...

he is 26....lived in Tex-Ass all his disgusting life...ropes cattle and kills buffaloes...rides in the nearest rodeos..

how the FUCK would he know about Kurtis Mantronix?? A dude who was killing shit in the mid 80's in NYC...a place that SRP has only seen in movies like King Kong...what the FUCK does he know about this guy?? his vote and himself are USELESS....lol

Top 100 EASILY!

I dont see what thats got to do with it. Im 18 from canada yet i know this dudes work. age and location have nothing to do with it. you should know this by not powell

Cory you have a bunch of respect and love for "old" school artists and have proven this time and time again

SRP on the other hand has only proven that he loves Seagram and Mac Dre, amongst a very few..

I know you have a decent amount of knowledge about "old" school artists unlike either N3RO or SRP

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

It's also hard for any primarily instrumental artist/group to get in here. Dj Shadow is dope, but he wouldn't stand a chance.

I agree, but Kurtis Mantronik is just the producer of the duo, which includes MC Tee (1985-1988), or Bryce Luvah (1990-1991). He has also done other work, but I believe the poll is for Mantronix the duo.

Again, Powell, this is you throwing my name in with other people for no fucking reason. Just because I prefer newer shit doesn't mean I'm not up on shit. Your arguments are ridiculous. But thanks for just starting shit for no reason.

I see what you're sayin Al, and obviously Tronix is dope and has a lot of influence, just outside of my top 100, no disrespect.

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

Again, Powell, this is you throwing my name in with other people for no fucking reason. Just because I prefer newer shit doesn't mean I'm not up on shit. Your arguments are ridiculous. But thanks for just starting shit for no reason.

N3RO your knowledge on the "old" school is limited man...this is a fact...not bullshit my dude...your the same guy who disrespected Run-D.M.C. one of the greatest groups/duos of all-time...the "Beatles" of hip-hop culture

you have limited knowledge and not much respect for the "old" school...it's all good man, do you!

I don't really see anything special about Mantronix from the trks I heard but I think they are kinda like 2 Live Crew with being originators of a certain sound and vibe. But 2 Live did not make it so f**k Mantronix... :finger: J/K...but I voted neither.

for me, it takes someone special in the game to get it...melle mel got top 50 for me because of his remarkable impact....some dudes like mantronix, who were never great, and arent even around today and had very little longevity dont make it.

Steve wrote:

for me, it takes someone special in the game to get it...melle mel got top 50 for me because of his remarkable impact....some dudes like mantronix, who were never great, and arent even around today and had very little longevity dont make it.

but Canibus fits that bill right Steve?? Shut up man...lol

remarkable impact?

he changed the emceeing genre right?? lol

because he can spit right??

don't even bother explaining Steve..lol

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

their period of actively making music just isn't comparable to other mc's on this list.

They had 5 albums. 3 with MC Tee. Didn't Biggie make the list?

Of course Biggie made it Pounds, anybody who wouldn't vote him on is a RETARD!

KJ Styles wrote:

Minnesota Hip-Hop Fiend wrote:

Lord Emperor N3R0N0N wrote:

their period of actively making music just isn't comparable to other mc's on this list.

They had 5 albums. 3 with MC Tee. Didn't Biggie make the list?

Of course Biggie made it Pounds, anybody who wouldn't vote him on is a RETARD!

KJ, you missed my point...

Nero said "Mantronix's period of actively making music just isn't comparable to other mc's on this list.", which is untrue because they have 5 albums. However, Biggie only has 2 albums, and he made the list. So really, quantity of material has nothing to do with it. In fact, Mantronix had a very good run.

Hoenstly Pounds Mantronix is not that known and may only get luv from older cats out of NY, I listen to a lot of rap and even I never heard of them until you mentioned them on the forum awhile back. I really don't see their impact and their music just was not all that to me.

Don't know much about them.

KRob86 wrote:

Hoenstly Pounds Mantronix is not that known and may only get luv from older cats out of NY, I listen to a lot of rap and even I never heard of them until you mentioned them on the forum awhile back. I really don't see their impact and their music just was not all that to me.

Well, they get love from a MN cat too. lol

Mantronix was never on the mainstream tip to begin with from the articles/reviews I've read on them. Plus, just listening to their music, it's obvious they aren't going for a blockbuster formula. They did bring a very indy feel to their music even at the time. So I realize not many have heard of them. However, I do think Kurtis was indeed a groundbreaking producer. His sound was cleaner than clean and he was creating a different sound than most producers at the time. He went on to influence more pop/dance/electro artists as a producer.

KRob86 wrote:

Hoenstly Pounds Mantronix is not that known and may only get luv from older cats out of NY, I listen to a lot of rap and even I never heard of them until you mentioned them on the forum awhile back. I really don't see their impact and their music just was not all that to me.

Yeah but Kev, you even admitted that when you where coming up you didn't have access to a bunch of music and no cable t.v. and this played a part in you not knowing about Mantronix...

you see the thing about him that made him so dope was he was doing his own shit and working with others as well...the original freelance producer so to speak....if you've heard any of those beats on Just-Ice's "Back To The Old School" then you would know dude is straight FIRE...especially for the era man....he did the damn thang, I'm not saying he's the most known dude but neither is K-Rino and you want him on the list right??

those who voted neither on him just don't know his work plain and simple..

Steve does not really know about Mantronix..let's be honest

samething with SRP..well SRP doesn't know much about anything outside of Mac Dre and Seagram...so why he's voting here is beyond me....

the heads voting neither don't know...which I expected when his name was brought up...no surprise here

yeah, i dont know much about mantronix...other than that they suck. i was explaining voting someone in on INFLUENCE, which you old fags are trying to do. If we are voting them in on INFLUENCE alone it better be earth shattering, and mantronix damn sure aint earth shattering

D.Powell wrote:

the heads voting neither don't know...which I expected when his name was brought up...no surprise here

I don't know Powell. I don't see many heads around here give it up too many things (if any) electro influenced. So maybe people just hear that sound and write them off.

I mean, here's a quote from Norf's "The Album" review on Amazon:

"I've been listening to hip hop since I was 7 years old (thanks to my dad) and I haven't really heard a better dance album since this one came out."

DANCE record. Shit, this was a dance record in a big way, but it was also hip-hop.

One more Norf snippet:

"If you throw "Bassline" on at any 80's party, the people will lose their minds."

LOL - damn right...one of my favorite hip-hop cuts of all time.

Sorry to bite Norf...I agree! lol

Steve wrote:

yeah, i dont know much about mantronix...other than that they suck. i was explaining voting someone in on INFLUENCE, which you old fags are trying to do. If we are voting them in on INFLUENCE alone it better be earth shattering, and mantronix damn sure aint earth shattering

Exactly Steve you don't know much...thanks for the honesty man...the truth shall set ya black ass free, and I can say that cause I'm black too....lol

Oh and Canibus ain't "earth-shattering" either my dude, so let's not get it twisted...

D.Powell wrote:

KRob86 wrote:

Hoenstly Pounds Mantronix is not that known and may only get luv from older cats out of NY, I listen to a lot of rap and even I never heard of them until you mentioned them on the forum awhile back. I really don't see their impact and their music just was not all that to me.

Yeah but Kev, you even admitted that when you where coming up you didn't have access to a bunch of music and no cable t.v. and this played a part in you not knowing about Mantronix...

you see the thing about him that made him so dope was he was doing his own shit and working with others as well...the original freelance producer so to speak....if you've heard any of those beats on Just-Ice's "Back To The Old School" then you would know dude is straight FIRE...especially for the era man....he did the damn thang, I'm not saying he's the most known dude but neither is K-Rino and you want him on the list right??

True but a close friend of mine use to buy records all the time and would let me watch Rap City at his crib almost daily and I do not remember them like that on the show or him having their records (which does not really mean anything just saying). I have no problem with the way you and Pounds feel about this grp they just were nothing great to me. I will check out more from them and it may change my mind later and i'm sure they would get luv at a old school dance party with the right type crowd.

Funny thing about Matronix... I was at some local record shop I just found and picked up "The Incredible Sound Machine" for $1.99.

...boy does that album suck.

But, I don't think I can put Matronix in the top 100. "The Album" and "Music Madness" are great albums, "In Full Effect" and "This Should Move Ya" are 3.5 stars at best, IMO, and the other one is garbage. As Powell would say, I can think of 20+ groups I would put in front of Matronix.

Oh, by the way, if they have any other albums that are at least on the level of "In Full Effect", let me know

Shon wrote:

Funny thing about Matronix... I was at some local record shop I just found and picked up "The Incredible Sound Machine" for $1.99.

...boy does that album suck.

But, I don't think I can put Matronix in the top 100. "The Album" and "Music Madness" are great albums, "In Full Effect" and "This Should Move Ya" are 3.5 stars at best, IMO, and the other one is garbage. As Powell would say, I can think of 20+ groups I would put in front of Matronix.

Yeah, like many golden age hip-hop artists, it was a downward slope for Mantronix. "The Album" & "Music Madness" are definitely my favorites, but I like "In Full Effect" more than "This Should Move Ya" because the duo was just not the same without MC Tee. I'd give that one 4 stars. Oh, and "The Incredible Sound Machine" is just bad. lol